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bodyman5000 and 1 said:
You gonna sit hooked to Twitter until he does? I wouldn't if I were you. Gonna be 7 long months
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Fixed it for you.

Serous questions: Do you truly think Trump has been doing a good job? Do you think he is a decent human being?
 
BrianFromWA said:
1) Openly gay without regard for sex, but gender.
2) Openly transgender without regard for
3) Training on
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Not sure I completely understand what that even means.

This is literally the Fiscal Year 18 General Military Training list. I (and everyone in the Navy) must complete these or be separated from the Navy.
(1) Sexual Assault Prevention and Response (SAPR) Awareness (F2F)*
(2) Equal Opportunity/Sexual Harassment/Grievance Procedures (F2F)
(3) Suicide Prevention (F2F)
(4) Antiterrorism Level 1 Awareness (F2F/computer-based)
Course number: CENSECFOR-AT-010-1.0
(5) Counterintelligence Awareness and Reporting (NCIS/computer-based)
Course number: DOD-CIAR-1.0
(6) Combating Trafficking in Persons (F2F/computer-based)
Course number: DOD-CTIP-2.0
(7) Cyber Awareness Challenge (computer-based only)
Course number: DOD-IAA-V14.0
(8) Operations Security (F2F/computer-based/mobile)
Course number: NIOC-USOPSEC-2.0
(9) DON Annual Privacy Training (F2F/computer-based/mobile)
Course number: DOD-PRIV-1.0
(10) Records Management (F2F/computer-based/mobile)
Course number: DOR-RM-010-1.2
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Which of those do you think is unnecessary? All of them?

Nope. In before Obama/Hagel/Mabus, still (grace of God) standing after. I've already done the hardest things I'll ever do in the military, knock on wood. But asking 18y/o's to sign up for this? Already, only 17% or so of the military-age range qualify physically to even attempt to enlist
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Well, that's a problem, for sure (not just for the military).

(before academic testing, non-felonies, drug use, security clearances, etc). When the best and most fit of America decides they'd rather not (and the numbers are going down, even though the PResident wants much higher force levels), where does that leave the other 99.5% of society that is NOT serving in the military?
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It leaves them doing things other than serving in the military. I'm not dissing the military, but there are other things a young person might want to do with their life, it isn't for everyone. Now, if you are saying that the quality of recruits is so low that the Navy can't even drive ships around anymore without crashing, then maybe we need to bring back the draft and/or up the pay/benefits to attract a better class of recruit. Before I signed onto that plan I'd want to know if the crashes happened because of poor quality sailors, or just because everyone on board was blind drunk.

barfo
 
theprunetang said:
Fixed it for you.

Serous questions: Do you truly think Trump has been doing a good job? Do you think he is a decent human being?
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What difference does it make? I haven't liked any of them since Clinton.

Say you're all right about everything, am I supposed to get so mad I run for office just to impeach him?
 
barfo said:
Which of those do you think is unnecessary? All of them?
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Doesn't matter what I think...you and the taxpayers on here are the ones who get to decide. I'd say that, Python Programming, or a "Best of TED Talks", or "how to exercise and eat properly in a deployment-tempo environment" would all be useful to some extent, but are not a core part of our warfighting effort. Put it this way...how many person-trafficking rings do you think have been busted up because Navy personnel were on a sharp lookout? How many sailors have been told "frequenting places of prostitution is against military regulation" and thought "fuck it, I'm going", but once they passed the Trafficking in Persons training were like "Oh, shit, maybe I shouldn't do that anymore?" How many people passed their Information Awareness training, only to see the goddamned Secretary of State and all of her minions openly violating the rules in the training, only to hear "Nope, Nothing to See Here!"?
It leaves them doing things other than serving in the military. I'm not dissing the military, but there are other things a young person might want to do with their life, it isn't for everyone. Now, if you are saying that the quality of recruits is so low that the Navy can't even drive ships around anymore without crashing, then maybe we need to bring back the draft and/or up the pay/benefits to attract a better class of recruit. Before I signed onto that plan I'd want to know if the crashes happened because of poor quality sailors, or just because everyone on board was blind drunk.
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What I'm saying is that, if the 30 or so hours that went into the training above had been put into, I don't know, "How to Be a Lookout" or "What 'Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range' Means" or into passing inspections and doing maintenance, maybe the Fleet would be better. Maybe 17 sailors wouldn't be in the grave right now.
I'm saying the quality of personnel is lower than it should be because of the choices of the last 24 years of leadership (before this one, because I don't get to comment on the current C-i-C), none of whom have served in anything higher than as a Lieutenant in the National Guard. Choices that were not based on making our force a more lethal force, or a more well-trained force, or a force ready to take on 21st Century battles, or even a force more apt to help in humanitarian and nation-building circles, but one based on preconceived notions of gender studies professionals and not warrior-leaders.
 
jonnyboy said:
Quit drinking @Rastapopoulos' tweet-infused kool-aid. You're playing right into the hands of the professional outrage manufacturers. This is literally all these people do. They dig through transcripts and cherry-pick segments of sentences that could be contrived as inappropriate, then proceed to tweet the shit out of their invented bullshit. Then people like you come along and hit 'retweet'.
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You should know what you are talking about before you spout off. You have no idea how much I read or know about these subjects, and let's just say, it's not insignificant (hope that double negative didn't confuse you!)

There is nothing out of context about what the president said about Obama and Bush. And it was, as usual, a lie.
 
BrianFromWA said:
Doesn't matter what I think...you and the taxpayers on here are the ones who get to decide.
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Oh, I don't know about that. You get just as many votes as I do. And I'd guess you have at least some small opportunities to influence the workings of the military from the inside.

I'd say that, Python Programming, or a "Best of TED Talks", or "how to exercise and eat properly in a deployment-tempo environment" would all be useful to some extent, but are not a core part of our warfighting effort.
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Should everything you do be core warfighting effort? Maybe it should, I don't know. I suppose you could give up having families and so on because that's got to be a distraction.

Put it this way...how many person-trafficking rings do you think have been busted up because Navy personnel were on a sharp lookout? How many sailors have been told "frequenting places of prostitution is against military regulation" and thought "fuck it, I'm going", but once they passed the Trafficking in Persons training were like "Oh, shit, maybe I shouldn't do that anymore?" How many people passed their Information Awareness training, only to see the goddamned Secretary of State and all of her minions openly violating the rules in the training, only to hear "Nope, Nothing to See Here!"?

What I'm saying is that, if the 30 or so hours that went into the training above had been put into, I don't know, "How to Be a Lookout" or "What 'Constant Bearing, Decreasing Range' Means" or into passing inspections and doing maintenance, maybe the Fleet would be better. Maybe 17 sailors wouldn't be in the grave right now.
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Maybe. So I think you are saying that the Navy doesn't teach "how to be a lookout", or doesn't teach it enough. That's bad - but is the cause really a lack of hours due to the constraints of sexual harassment training? 30 hours in a work year isn't a huge amount, although maybe I'm making an unwarranted assumption that sailors spend more than 40 hours at work per week?

I'm saying the quality of personnel is lower than it should be because of the choices of the last 24 years of leadership (before this one, because I don't get to comment on the current C-i-C), none of whom have served in anything higher than as a Lieutenant in the National Guard. Choices that were not based on making our force a more lethal force, or a more well-trained force, or a force ready to take on 21st Century battles, or even a force more apt to help in humanitarian and nation-building circles, but one based on preconceived notions of gender studies professionals and not warrior-leaders.
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I'd suggest that there might be other reasons the quality of personnel has declined as well, although I'm not the expert here. And that the military is not something completely apart from the rest of our society. If we just wanted killing machines, I guess we'd segregate you from the rest of the population at an early age, and never let you reintegrate. Then we would be free to take whatever measures would produce the most ruthlessly efficient warriors.

barfo
 
Stevenson said:
You should know what you are talking about before you spout off. You have no idea how much I read or know about these subjects, and let's just say, it's not insignificant (hope that double negative didn't confuse you!)

There is nothing out of context about what the president said about Obama and Bush. And it was, as usual, a lie.
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Please elaborate with your big scary non-insignificant wealth of knowledge on 'these subjects'. Drop a couple more double negatives for us knuckle-draggers to ogle over, while your at it.

Why not drop the knowledge bomb on us, instead of threatening to? Or you could just call Trump a fat fucking cunt fuck piece of fuck shit some more, cuz you're smart and know stuff about things.
 
BrianFromWA said:
I'm saying the quality of personnel is lower than it should be because of the choices of the last 24 years of leadership (before this one, because I don't get to comment on the current C-i-C)
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Well, Trump is utterly unqualified to be commander-in-chief. I know you can't say so, but if you agree, just use a vowel in your next post. We'll know what you mean.

barfo
 
Lets give the letter F (fool) to Trump for another ridiculous statement from his impulsive pulpit..
 
Stevenson said:
What a pathetic man.

And I pity you guys who feel the need to defend him or try and explain it away. He's a repulsive human being.

And you know it too.
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We have a pathetic/repulsive man who beat a career criminal politician from an out of touch party that is popular in just a few states. We didn't have much of a choice but to gut out these 4 years and elect someone else (if we can).

Unfortunately, calling him names and making constitutional crises out of lies is only going to increase his chances of reelection. Be blind to if at your own peril.
 
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barfo said:
Well, Trump is utterly unqualified to be commander-in-chief. I know you can't say so, but if you agree, just use a vowel in your next post. We'll know what you mean.

barfo
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Obama had great training as community organizer. Fully qualified.

YOU set the bar low and now you whine about it.

:lol:
 
Denny Crane said:
Trump is supposedly getting heat for saying previous presidents didn't call the widows of fallen soldiers. The proof he "lied" is that Obama visited at least one serviceman in the hospital. The lie by omission is that the standard protocol when soldiers die is not for the president to call. Previous presidents did not call the widows of fallen soldiers. Obama did not call Kelly or anyone else when Kelly's son was killed (nor was it protocol, which is fine).

Trump wasn't wrong.

Report the truth, dammit.

OMG, CNN did on their WWW site!
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And Dennyanne Conway Crane has spoken!
 
Denny Crane said:
We have a pathetic/repulsive man who beat a career criminal politician
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Trump won in part because people who should know better were convinced that Clinton was some kind of criminal mastermind. If she's so fucking corrupt that she has cheated the law at every turn, leaving a trail of bodies in her wake, why the fuck didn't she cheat her way into the presidency? Oh that's right, because the hard-workin' American people saw through her shenanigans, when all the law-enforcement agencies were bedazzled and bribed. Huzzah, U-S-A!! Saved from a competent President who actually knows stuff!
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Trump won in part because people who should know better were convinced that Clinton was some kind of criminal mastermind. If she's so fucking corrupt that she has cheated the law at every turn, leaving a trail of bodies in her wake, why the fuck didn't she cheat her way into the presidency? Oh that's right, because the hard-workin' American people saw through her shenanigans, when all the law-enforcement agencies were bedazzled and bribed. Huzzah, U-S-A!! Saved from a competent President who actually knows stuff!
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If people were convinced, it was because her words in her own emails proved her to be a criminal mastermind. How on earth can she claim her own emails were "weaponized" to hurt her? If they showed her to be the honest soul you imagine she is, they would have been no big deal.

She did cheat her way to at least the nomination. Ask Bernie Sanders.

She did cheat her way to the presidency, too. She had $billions in campaign money and PAC money and also the full weight of the media PR machine. The media smear of Trump didn't start with his election. Albeit he's no saint in his own right.

Sorry you won't see the truth on your twitter feed.
 
crandc said:
And Dennyanne Conway Crane has spoken!
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The Truth is out there if you look beyond the sore loser, friends of Clinton, spin machine.

Rasta was hoisted on his own petard yesterday. AHA, he thought, Obama met with family of gold star soldiers. But it was 6 months later, and he didn't call any of them.
 
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