Politics Trump just announced he will not repeal Obamacare

[Jade Falcon]

I've always said it should be amended. For fuck's sake, anyone with half a brain could see that it needed work. Why the fuck do you think it's been a disaster since it was introduced?

Shit's too expensive, the quality of care is awful, you can't get referrals to specialists, and you can't keep the doctor you want to keep.

And if you don't like that, well...the government fines you a tax.

Gimmie a break. The fucking thing is awful, and it needs to be fixed.

 

[BrianFromWA]

Bullshit. If I don't drive, I don't buy insurance.

And going a step further, if I do drive and get into an accident, I have the option of just paying for the fix (or fixing it myself, or having a buddy fix it for a steak dinner), rather than GEICO forking over 10k and then upping my premiums and copay to cover the difference. And when I get 2 DUIs, no insurance company in the world has to do a thing about it.

 

[BrianFromWA]

if you don't get sick, you don't pay copays either

Who said anything about copays?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Please Donald, single payer and shove it up everyone's ass. You will be a legend forever. Do it.

 

[blue32]

Shameful. Repeal and replace crowd is pissed at you now lol.

Just like the wall, I knew it was all rhetoric. The main thing is, is that he's going to hopefully fix the stupid shit that is tanking the economy, this being one of them.

 

[dviss1]

Bullshit. If I don't drive, I don't buy insurance.

It's not bullshit. Make sense when you talk. EVERYONE who drives MUST have insurance.

Everyone who lives will use healthcare. If you don't take responsibility and go to the er EVERYONE else pays for it.

There is no difference.

 

[riverman]

I've always said it should be amended. For fuck's sake, anyone with half a brain could see that it needed work. Why the fuck do you think it's been a disaster since it was introduced?

Shit's too expensive, the quality of care is awful, you can't get referrals to specialists, and you can't keep the doctor you want to keep.

And if you don't like that, well...the government fines you a tax.

Gimmie a break. The fucking thing is awful, and it needs to be fixed.

Like I said.....I have had none of the problems you're complaining about ....my wife just completed full dental work and had all her checkups and it was cheap..as well as very good care with doctors and dentists she liked....you can choose options for care unless a doctor or dentist refuses to accept the insurance...which our old Obama hating dentist did....we found another. His loss..not ours or the fault of health care

 

[riverman]

If an epidemic happened and was airborne, you'd be glad people breathing the same air as you had access to health care...this is why they are making it a requirement...it's for public safety more than anything else.

 

[Jade Falcon]

Like I said.....I have had none of the problems you're complaining about ....my wife just completed full dental work and had all her checkups and it was cheap..as well as very good care with doctors and dentists she liked....you can choose options for care unless a doctor or dentist refuses to accept the insurance...which our old Obama hating dentist did....we found another. His loss..not ours or the fault of health care

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant it's not good for POOR people and the unwashed masses.

My father makes 6 figures and has Obamacare. It payed almost $1 Million for my mother's cancer treatment, but they were still stuck paying a HUGE deductible. Which is something I'd never be able to pay.

 

[dviss1]

Obama care is a shit pile, but I DID like very few aspects of it. SO if he fixes it, and keeps the semi-good things from it, I am OK with that. I am sure he is trying to compromise a bit beings that half the fucking nation hates his guts.

Bullshit. You liked every bit of it except the mandate.

 

[riverman]

Who said anything about copays?

Well in the case of car insurance...if you agree to drive one...you pay for insurance....if you agree to see a doctor...you pay for insurance in most cases via copay....I never said they were the same...just that they are both choices

 

[dviss1]

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant it's not good for POOR people and the unwashed masses.

My father makes 6 figures and has Obamacare. It payed almost $1 Million for my mother's cancer treatment, but they were still stuck paying a HUGE deductible. Which is something I'd never be able to pay.

20+ million poor folk who didn't have access to the system disagree with this.

 

[Jade Falcon]

20+ million poor folk who didn't have access to the system disagree with this.

That's nice. What about the other 200+ million?

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Just like the wall, I knew it was all rhetoric. The main thing is, is that he's going to hopefully fix the stupid shit that is tanking the economy, this being one of them.

All rhetoric? Is there anything he said that you actually believe?

And "hopefully fix the stupid shit" should have been his campaign slogan. I like it!

 

[riverman]

Oh, I'm sorry. I meant it's not good for POOR people and the unwashed masses.

My father makes 6 figures and has Obamacare. It payed almost $1 Million for my mother's cancer treatment, but they were still stuck paying a HUGE deductible. Which is something I'd never be able to pay.

I don't see your point....you claim it's a disaster and I'm an example of it not being one....and I'm not poor or unwashed, nor rich..I think you're sensationalizing but sorry about your mom's sickness...that sucks...my mom died of cancer as well as my father but we didn't get stuck with a big bill in either case..

 

[3RA1N1AC]

That's nice. What about the other 200+ million?

thats the trick though. Trump said "everyone's gotta be covered". And I believe he meant it. Now he's gotta figure it out.

 

[e_blazer]

Like I said.....I have had none of the problems you're complaining about ....my wife just completed full dental work and had all her checkups and it was cheap..as well as very good care with doctors and dentists she liked....you can choose options for care unless a doctor or dentist refuses to accept the insurance...which our old Obama hating dentist did....we found another. His loss..not ours or the fault of health care

I assume you're getting a subsidy? Obamacare is great if you're subsidized. It's flat out killing me and my wife because we make just a bit over the income limit.

 

[dviss1]

That's nice. What about the other 200+ million?

Stop. Fucking. Blaming. Obamacare. For. The. Cost.

Just stop...

 

[blue32]

All rhetoric? Is there anything he said that you actually believe?

And "hopefully fix the stupid shit" should have been his campaign slogan. I like it!

Thanks me to. I just thought of it tonight!

 

[Jade Falcon]

I assume you're getting a subsidy? Obamacare is great if you're subsidized. It's flat out killing me and my wife because we make just a bit over the income limit.

There you go. Not everyone is having flowers and roses over it, which is why it needs to be amended.

You can't say "well, it's great for me, so it should be great for you!" Sorry, it doesn't work that way.

 

[riverman]

I assume you're getting a subsidy? Obamacare is great if you're subsidized. It's flat out killing me and my wife because we make just a bit over the income limit.

It's a sliding scale...you can have several choices...we have a silver plan and if we make more money over a period of time, the rate adjusts..it's not as complicated as folks complain about...I could apply for insurance outside of the plan we have if I wanted better coverage....personally I really miss the national health insurance I had overseas.....it's expensive here..just like property tax and the cost of living but you gotta love the clean air and drinkable water

 

[blue32]

Stop. Fucking. Blaming. Obamacare. For. The. Cost.

Just stop...

Oh I fully understand before ACA this was just as bad. ACA was not the answer. Not without fully understanding the inner workings of this and they did not.

The bill was a shit pile poorly introduced and setup.

Repeal and Replace would be fine; to take current items from it would be fine too.


What would you suggest to absolve these rich fucks of their pillaging on the people?

 

[Jade Falcon]

Stop. Fucking. Blaming. Obamacare. For. The. Cost.

Just stop...

What's the point of this besides your obvious dislike of rich white people? That businesses should freely give products they make without charging anyone?

What's that? You mean, these guys have a lot because a lot of people and businesses pay them for their products?

NO! You don't say!

The hatred of rich people in this country is distracting from real issues. Just stop already. They provide a product that people want and use. Get over it.

 

[blue32]

The hatred of rich people in this country is distracting from real issues. Just stop already. They provide a product that people want and use. Get over it.

It's this whole "fair share" mentality that is sweeping the nation from the far-left. Something about everything must be equal regardless of how hard you work.

I don't get it either.

 

[dviss1]

What's the point of this besides your hatred of rich white people?


What's the point of this besides your obvious dislike of rich white people? That businesses should freely give products they make without charging anyone?

What's that? You mean, these guys have a lot because a lot of people and businesses pay them for their products?

NO! You don't say!

The hatred of rich people in this country is distracting from real issues. Just stop already. They provide a product that people want and use. Get over it.

My obvious dislike if rich white people....

Yeah, so now I'm done with you...

 

[riverman]

The hatred of rich people in this country is distracting from real issues

nonsense...there are lots of great rich people...some are my friends...it's corrupt, greedy rich people that are a problem...same with corrupt, greedy poor people...assholes don't have an exclusive club for members only....your contending we all hate the rich is just divisive....

 

[3RA1N1AC]

Single payer. Cut out the middleman.

 

[Jade Falcon]

My obvious dislike if rich white people....

Yeah, so now in done with you...

Oh come on Dviss. Come on now. You're not the most open-minded person when it comes to white people; nevermind RICH white people.

Come on now man.

 

[riverman]

It's this whole "fair share" mentality that is sweeping the nation from the far-left. Something about everything must be equal regardless of how hard you work.

I don't get it either.

It's not equality but fairness....you can work 40 hours a week for minimum wage here and be below the poverty level with rent or a mortgage taking up all your expendable income...if businessmen want businesses to thrive...those workers need expendable income...pretty simple

 

[dviss1]

It's this whole "fair share" mentality that is sweeping the nation from the far-left. Something about everything must be equal regardless of how hard you work.

I don't get it either.

They don't work hard, nor is that the reason why their rich. Keep on believing that bullshit conservative talking point.