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good thing she doesnt live in Seattle now. They are making all the wrong moves up there...tax tax tax....piss off business
How is it a bad thing to have a $15/hr. minimum wage when a state like Texas has no minimum wage at all? Me? I don't mind paying an extra 35 cents for a hamburger if it benefits Wookiee's niece.
 
I believe it. The single payer part.

With regard to you not having healthcare and refusing to go until you're about to die?

This action makes my premium higher. Plain and simple.

2 words: personal responsibility.
I pay my hospital bills if I go. I have no negative effect on your premium. I also take care of myself to stay in good health. Insurance companies lobby to make everyone participate in their rigged system, then in turn blame high rates on those who refuse it. This is in order to create an atmosphere where people like me are looked down upon and made to feel irresponsible. The reality is people who eat like shit, don't excercise and drink 7 Mountain Dews a day are the irresponsible ones. But our fantastic healthcare industry loves these people because their constant health issues are a guaranteed revenue source.
 
I pay my hospital bills if I go. I have no negative effect on your premium. I also take care of myself to stay in good health. Insurance companies lobby to make everyone participate in their rigged system, then in turn blame high rates on those who refuse it. This is in order to create an atmosphere where people like me are looked down upon and made to feel irresponsible. The reality is people who eat like shit, don't excercise and drink 7 Mountain Dews a day are the irresponsible ones. But our fantastic healthcare industry loves these people because their constant health issues are a guaranteed revenue source.

Bullshit. If you get cancer have something catastrophic happen to you, there ain't no "paying as you go". There's you going bankrupt. Before Obomney Care that was the leading cause of bankruptcy.

Stop trying to justify not being personally responsible.
 
How is it a bad thing to have a $15/hr. minimum wage when a state like Texas has no minimum wage at all? Me? I don't mind paying an extra 35 cents for a hamburger if it benefits Wookiee's niece.
Lanny, I agree in that a higher min wage isn't such a bad thing, however if it directly effects the hours (reduces) and number of employees, which in Seattle case it has to a degree. But the city gov's answer is to put a head tax on employers and raise the economy so housing cost go way up and companies reconsider if they should stay, or relocate to the city.
Im all for young people using minimum wage as a step up to making more, which is really what it was intended.
I work filling stations and stock boy for mw but with the goal of getting a better paying job. And I did before going to college.
 
There's you going bankrupt. Before Obomney Care that was the leading cause of bankruptcy.

Before Obama care I had coverage, now I do not. The concept was the contribution of Valerie, to as you well point out, get more people to pay for your healthcare by being forced to buy the insurance you buy.
 
Lanny, I agree in that a higher min wage isn't such a bad thing, however if it directly effects the hours (reduces) and number of employees, which in Seattle case it has to a degree. But the city gov's answer is to put a head tax on employers and raise the economy so housing cost go way up and companies reconsider if they should stay, or relocate to the city.
Im all for young people using minimum wage as a step up to making more, which is really what it was intended.
I work filling stations and stock boy for mw but with the goal of getting a better paying job. And I did before going to college.
I've seen studies that show the Seattle minimum wage hasn't hurt a thing. Don't get fooled by false news.
 
Bullshit. If you get cancer have something catastrophic happen to you, there ain't no "paying as you go". There's you going bankrupt. Before Obomney Care that was the leading cause of bankruptcy.

Stop trying to justify not being personally responsible.
With Obamacare I'd go bankrupt either way. Actually, I'd already be broke from the insane premium alone. I'm not willing to give up my family's quality of life to salespeople, I'm sorry. Like I said, my girls have coverage because i don't expect them to adhere to the same ideals as me, and they may have a different standard as to what constitutes a doctor's visit. I won't deny them that. Myself however, I'm willing to stay the fuck away from places that charge $1000 per sneeze in order to save money for the extras I feel my family deserves. That is my right. And it is not the right of a corrupt government to take that choice away from me. I'm not vehemently opposed to health insurance, either. When my company's open enrollment comes around, I may sign up if I think it's worth it. It will depend on price, not some abstract idea of responsibility, or boogeyman scare tactics.
 
With Obamacare I'd go bankrupt either way. Actually, I'd already be broke from the insane premium alone. I'm not willing to give up my family's quality of life to salespeople, I'm sorry. Like I said, my girls have coverage because i don't expect them to adhere to the same ideals as me, and they may have a different standard as to what constitutes a doctor's visit. I won't deny them that. Myself however, I'm willing to stay the fuck away from places that charge $1000 per sneeze in order to save money for the extras I feel my family deserves. That is my right. And it is not the right of a corrupt government to take that choice away from me. I'm not vehemently opposed to health insurance, either. When my company's open enrollment comes around, I may sign up if I think it's worth it. It will depend on price, not some abstract idea of responsibility, or boogeyman scare tactics.
Not enough people are as principled as you. Hence the law.
 
With Obamacare I'd go bankrupt either way. Actually, I'd already be broke from the insane premium alone. I'm not willing to give up my family's quality of life to salespeople, I'm sorry. Like I said, my girls have coverage because i don't expect them to adhere to the same ideals as me, and they may have a different standard as to what constitutes a doctor's visit. I won't deny them that. Myself however, I'm willing to stay the fuck away from places that charge $1000 per sneeze in order to save money for the extras I feel my family deserves. That is my right. And it is not the right of a corrupt government to take that choice away from me. I'm not vehemently opposed to health insurance, either. When my company's open enrollment comes around, I may sign up if I think it's worth it. It will depend on price, not some abstract idea of responsibility, or boogeyman scare tactics.

The fact that you blame the cost of your premium on Obamacare, shows how little you know about it.
 
The fact that you blame the cost of your premium on Obamacare, shows how little you know about it.
I was referring to when I wasn't offered insurance and got a quote from the Obamacare marketplace. It was fucking insane. Almost $500 a month and $12000 deductible. You literally pay everything out of pocket. It was a joke. Fuck Obamacare.
 
I do appreciate the "personal responsibility" discussion. Every time I go in a grocery store and see a cart full of empty calories, fat filled food, chips, soft drinks, Ho-Ho's, Ding Dongs, ice-cream, Mac & Cheese....and then it gets paid with an EBT card that is right next to the Care Oregon card, I am amused by the level of 'responsibility'.

The countless times that I've spoken with Doctors who can't even suggest better diet choices because someone in a survey will complain that the "Dr was being mean" or "fat shaming me". The person with a ridiculous cholesterol level, terrible blood pressure, who is drinking, smoking, eating crap and can't be bothered with any exercise is not exactly helping those medical costs.....because you can never affordably treat someone who doesn't care to take care of themselves.

Why is it personal responsibility for me to have health care premiums that in absolutely no way reflect my health, or the effort I put in to eat right, exercise and take care of myself? Sounds like people who are healthy and try to make good choices are responsible for a large majority of those who just can't be bothered to care.

I'm sure this will get me a raft of crap but the amount of health care premiums, gas tax, property tax, income tax, Soc Sec tax, excise tax, vehicle registration tax, (the list is endless) in no way represents what I get out of any of those.

Guess I am being EXTRA responsible.
 
I'm sure this will get me a raft of crap but the amount of health care premiums, gas tax, property tax, income tax, Soc Sec tax, excise tax, vehicle registration tax, (the list is endless) in no way represents what I get out of any of those.

Do you think it should?

barfo
 
https://www.yahoo.com/news/americas-poor-becoming-more-destitute-under-trump-u-110313048.html

Poverty in the United States is extensive and deepening under the Trump administration whose policies seem aimed at removing the safety net from millions of poor people, while rewarding the rich, a U.N. human rights investigator has found.

Philip Alston, U.N. special rapporteur on extreme poverty, called on U.S. authorities to provide solid social protection and address underlying problems, rather than "punishing and imprisoning the poor".

While welfare benefits and access to health insurance are being slashed, President Donald Trump's tax reform has awarded "financial windfalls" to the mega-rich and large companies, further increasing inequality, he said in a report.

U.S. policies since President Lyndon Johnson's war on poverty in the 1960s have been "neglectful at best," he said.

"But the policies pursued over the past year seem deliberately designed to remove basic protections from the poorest, punish those who are not in employment and make even basic health care into a privilege to be earned rather than a right of citizenship," Alston said.

Almost 41 million people or 12.7 percent live in poverty, 18.5 million in extreme poverty, and children account for one in three poor, he said. The United States has the highest youth poverty rate among industrialized countries, he added.

"Its citizens live shorter and sicker lives compared to those living in all other rich democracies, eradicable tropical diseases are increasingly prevalent and it has the world's highest incarceration rate ... and the highest obesity levels in the developed world," Alston said.

However, the data from the U.S. Census Bureau he cited covers only the period through 2016, and he gave no comparative figures on the extent of poverty before and after Trump came into office in January 2017.

The Australian, a veteran U.N. rights expert and New York University law professor, will present his report to the United Nations Human Rights Council later this month.

It is based on his mission in December to several U.S. states, including rural Alabama, a slum in downtown Los Angeles, California, and the U.S. territory of Puerto Rico.

A U.S. official in Geneva, asked for comment, told Reuters: "The Trump Administration has made it a priority to provide economic opportunity for all Americans."

"SHAMEFUL STATISTICS"

Citing "shameful statistics" linked to entrenched racial discrimination, Alston said that African Americans are 2.5 times more likely than whites to live in poverty and their unemployment rate is more than double. Women, Hispanics, immigrants, and indigenous people also suffer high rates.

At least 550,000 people are homeless in America, he said.

"The tax reform will worsen this situation and ensure that the United States remains the most unequal society in the developed world," Alston said. "The planned dramatic cuts in welfare will essentially shred crucial dimensions of a safety net that is already full of holes."

The tax overhaul, which sailed through the Republican-controlled U.S. Congress in December, permanently cut the top corporate rate to 21 percent from 35 percent. Tax cuts for individuals, however, are temporary and expire after 2025.

Trump has said they will lead to more take-home pay for workers and has touted bonuses some workers received from their employers as evidence the law is working.

Alston dismissed allegations of widespread fraud in the welfare system and criticized the U.S. criminal justice system. It sets large bail bonds for a defendant seeking to go free pending trial, meaning wealthy suspects can afford bail while the poor remain in custody, often losing their jobs, he said.

"There is no magic recipe for eliminating extreme poverty and each level of government must make its own good-faith decisions. At the end of the day, however, particularly in a rich country like the United States, the persistence of extreme poverty is a political choice made by those in power," he said.
 

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