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Denny Crane said:
The more people there are, the more jobs there are - that's an economic fact. We've had 4% unemployment with 340M population and back when we had 280M. The 4% figure is presumed to be the number of people who are between jobs, not long term unemployed.

Undocumented immigrants do not get welfare or social security, even though they do pay taxes (even income taxes).

300M people form South America wouldn't come here, though. People do like the countries they come from, and stay, for the most part.
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You think if 300m people with barely any money came into our nation, enough resources would magically appear for them, wherever they happened to settle?

This is dumb-dumb talk.
 
Sinobas said:
You think if 300m people with barely any money came into our nation, enough resources would magically appear for them, wherever they happened to settle?

This is dumb-dumb talk.
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You know what real dumb-dumb talk is? Asserting that half the population of Latin America would leave their home to come to the U.S.

First rate hyperbole though.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You know what real dumb-dumb talk is? Asserting that half the population of Latin America would leave their home to come to the U.S.

First rate hyperbole though.
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Why wouldn't they if they could? You guys living in fantasy land if you think a nation should not protect it's borders and allow a free for all of movement, especially when you're a 1st world country living near a 3rd world country.
 
Sinobas said:
Why wouldn't they if they could? You guys living in fantasy land if you think a nation should not protect it's borders and allow a free for all of movement, especially when you're a 1st world country living near a 3rd world country.
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Because unless it's the Irish Potato famine all over again, or some massive world war, there's just not going to be 50% of a country's population pulling up stakes and moving to the 'Good ol' U.S. and A.

I know this is going to blow your fucking mind, but most people prefer the country they live in. With totally open borders you'd for sure get a slight up-tick in immigration from poorer places in the near term, but there's a set-point where the opportunities would start to dry up and a sort of equilibrium would set in as these countries depopulated themselves. The only way that wouldn't happen is that if the out-migration from Latin America was all of their wealthy and most highly educated. The laws of supply and demand are just as applicable to labor as they are to widgets; this is like Econ 101 type shit.
 
Nikolokolus said:
You know what real dumb-dumb talk is? Asserting that half the population of Latin America would leave their home to come to the U.S.

First rate hyperbole though.
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You're right, we only get the dregs of Latin America coming here illegally. People up in the hills and shack house communities that have no skills and no education.

Educated and successful Latin Americans have no reason to leave their home country. If they do, they can just do it legally.
 
Again, this is similar to only arresting illegal drug users but not the dealers.

If you want to drastically reduce illegal immigration then penalize the people hiring them and lending them money. Illegals can get an auto loan, illegals can get a mortgage.

Going after children, teens and young adults is the ultimate low hanging fruit.
 
Also I've seen a lot of paychecks from illegals and yes they pay taxes but they all claim 10 allowances on their W-4s because they can't file for a return. They pay as little taxes as they possibly can but that's a good thing according to our president.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Also I've seen a lot of paychecks from illegals and yes they pay taxes but they all claim 10 allowances on their W-4s because they can't file for a return. They pay as little taxes as they possibly can but that's a good thing according to our president.
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THATS WHY YOU PAY THEM IN STRAIGHT CASH HOMIE
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Also I've seen a lot of paychecks from illegals and yes they pay taxes but they all claim 10 allowances on their W-4s because they can't file for a return. They pay as little taxes as they possibly can but that's a good thing according to our president.
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That's because we waste it on shit we shouldn't.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Also I've seen a lot of paychecks from illegals and yes they pay taxes but they all claim 10 allowances on their W-4s because they can't file for a return. They pay as little taxes as they possibly can but that's a good thing according to our president.
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Yeah i don't get throwing around some large number. Sure they pay some small fica ss and medicare amounts, that their employer is matching.
 
JFizzleRaider said:
Sure they pay some small fica ss and medicare amounts, that their employer is matching.
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Actually that is kind of a big deal. People paying into SS that will never collect is a good deal for everyone, lol.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Actually that is kind of a big deal. People paying into SS that will never collect is a good deal for everyone, lol.
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homeless people will take their jobs after they leave.

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MarAzul said:
But there is no "them" applicable in today's Dreamers.
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read the inscription on the Statue of Liberty and then act all patriotic about this crap.....there's nothing patriotic or American about sending these children to what to them is a foreign land because of their ethnic background....stupid move by your orange rich playboy's choice.....
 
Wait until Mexico and other countries start sending our expats back home.....see how many come back and contribute or how many just enter rehab ...I've been to many countries in the world and found drunk americans living in most of them ......most have also never bothered to learn Spanish even decades after living in those countries.....double standard.....personally I'd rather have the hard working Hispanic as a neighbor in most cases
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Again, this is similar to only arresting illegal drug users but not the dealers.

If you want to drastically reduce illegal immigration then penalize the people hiring them and lending them money. Illegals can get an auto loan, illegals can get a mortgage.

Going after children, teens and young adults is the ultimate low hanging fruit.
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The politicians that could pass/enforce these laws, are to busy having their campaigns funded by the people that are hiring them.

Ask ol' Senator Gordon Smith.
 
riverman said:
Wait until Mexico and other countries start sending our expats back home.....see how many come back and contribute or how many just enter rehab ...I've been to many countries in the world and found drunk americans living in most of them ......most have also never bothered to learn Spanish even decades after living in those countries.....double standard.....personally I'd rather have the hard working Hispanic as a neighbor in most cases
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If you live in a Hispanic neighborhood, chances are it's a crime infested hood. Good tacos though
 
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The reason most expats are drunken idiots is they are semi-retired and just living like kings for pennies on the dollar. Or sex tourists.
 
Sinobas said:
You think if 300m people with barely any money came into our nation, enough resources would magically appear for them, wherever they happened to settle?

This is dumb-dumb talk.
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I think 300M haven't come and they won't. They love their country just like you love yours.

We've had porous borders for decades and there's nothing even close to 300M immigrants here. Except for, you know, all of us.
 
The ball is in congress' court.

From all objective views of what's going on, Trump wants congress to act on something (anything) and this is a way to light the fire. It really is congress' job to decide on the laws like DACA, not by decree of the fearless leader.

If they don't act, he's indicated he'll revisit, which I take to mean he'll extend the program.
 
In an October 2015 interview, then Senator Jefferson Beauregard Session III gave unqualified support for a 1924 immigration bill backed by the Ku Klux Klan and racist Eugenics Society. The openly stated purpose of the bill was to halt the waves of immigration from the "wrong" places and keep the US white, Northern/Western European, and Protestant. The law banned all immigration from Asia and imposed severe restrictions on Italians, Irish, Jews, and other "inferior" Europeans. The law was still in effect when Nazism swept Europe in the 1930s and 1940s. As a result, millions of desperate Jews were blocked from entering the US, even if they had relatives here. Some, of course, became illegal immigrants.

The handful of Irish, Italians and Jews in the Trump administration and his immigrant arm candy all robotically clap when he calls Mexicans criminals, you know, just like Irish, Italians, and Jews were in the 1924 law. But when Trump really needed a racist, he turned to white supremacist Sessions.

Now we know why Sessions stayed on when Trump publicly insulted him. See that tight smile? He couldn't have been happier unless he was lynching some n_____s.

The San Francisco Chronicle interviewed an engineer in San Jose. He graduated with an engineering degree but was undocumented, so he barely survived on manual labor, working in restaurants, whatever else he could find. After DACA he got a 6-figure engineering position at a technology firm. His parents have green cards but lost their jobs in a recession, so he provides for them. Bought a home. Cares for his 6 year old American citizen son. He estimates he's paid around $100,000 in federal income tax. Please explain to me how either deporting him or forcing him back into busboy jobs helps the economy, national security, or anything else but satisfying racists.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
You're right, we only get the dregs of Latin America coming here illegally. People up in the hills and shack house communities that have no skills and no education.

Educated and successful Latin Americans have no reason to leave their home country. If they do, they can just do it legally.
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The same thing was said about the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles, the Jews, and every other non-Anglo group since the dawn of this country.

And even if that was true, the "Dregs" as you call them live in bone crushing poverty because they have almost zero opportunity to change their fate in their home country, but if they have the balls to uproot themselves and their families and risk it all for a chance at a better life, then those are the people I want, because those (by and large) are the entrepreneurs, the hustlers and the people with some actual grit.

Of course I'm not so naive to think that all of them are coming here with good intentions, but the crime rate is lower among immigrants than the population at large.

So until I see native born Americans lining up to do hard manual labor (good luck with that) maybe our immigration policy should reflect demand for labor?
 
As good as DACA may be, it's unconstitutional. At least 9 states were going to sue the government over DACA. DAPA, the sister program to DACA has already been ruled unconstitutional.

If Democrats won't vote for a law that goes through the constitutional process, that's on them. I see no indication Trump won't sign a Bill passed by congress to protect these people.

http://www.migrationpolicy.org/arti...ration-moves-immigration-back-political-realm

Supreme Court DAPA Ruling a Blow to Obama Administration, Moves Immigration Back to Political Realm

While the U.S. Supreme Court may have dealt a hard blow to the Obama immigration legacy with its intensely anticipated but anticlimactic 4-4 split decision in United States v. Texas, the last word on the future of the contested deferred action programs has yet to be written. The case now goes back to the lower courts, where a number of scenarios could play out based on how the Justice Department and the presiding appellate and district judges respond. Court rulings aside, one thing is clear: It will be up to the next administration to determine the future of these executive actions. And the Supreme Court outcome leaves an altered—and potentially more open—landscape for immigration policy changes to occur in the next Congress.

Next Steps in the Legal Case

The tie vote, announced on June 23, simply affirms a lower court decision to maintain a nationwide injunction on the Deferred Action for Parents of Americans and Lawful Permanent Residents (DAPA) program and expansion of the 2012 Deferred Action for Childhood Arrivals (DACA) program. As with all Supreme Court tie votes, no legal precedent was set, and no insight was provided into individual justices’ positions on the legal issues raised in the case. U.S. v. Texas is perhaps the most high-profile of the four Supreme Court cases to end in a 4-4 tie since the death of Justice Antonin Scalia in February and the decision by Senate Republican leaders to delay confirmation hearings for a successor until after the November 2016 presidential election.
 
Nikolokolus said:
The same thing was said about the Irish, the Italians, the Slavs, the Poles, the Jews, and every other non-Anglo group since the dawn of this country.

And even if that was true, the "Dregs" as you call them live in bone crushing poverty because they have almost zero opportunity to change their fate in their home country, but if they have the balls to uproot themselves and their families and risk it all for a chance at a better life, then those are the people I want, because those (by and large) are the entrepreneurs, the hustlers and the people with some actual grit.

Of course I'm not so naive to think that all of them are coming here with good intentions, but the crime rate is lower among immigrants than the population at large.

So until I see native born Americans lining up to do hard manual labor (good luck with that) maybe our immigration policy should reflect demand for labor?
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I haven't seen an immigration law that isn't racial, or even racist.

One of them was called the Anti-Asian Immigration Act, which reduced or eliminated immigration from China. All the while, our railroads were built with Chinese labor. It's hard to argue those people didn't earn the right to immigrate for their contribution to the building of the nation.

We have nothing to fear from immigrants. They truly Make America Great.

Our borders really should be the line that's drawn where our laws stop. Anyone within the borders are entitled to the full protection of the laws and services of the United States and the local State/county/municipality. Borders absolutely matter, in that sense.
 
Denny Crane said:
I haven't seen an immigration law that isn't racial, or even racist.

One of them was called the Anti-Asian Immigration Act, which reduced or eliminated immigration from China. All the while, our railroads were built with Chinese labor. It's hard to argue those people didn't earn the right to immigrate for their contribution to the building of the nation.

We have nothing to fear from immigrants. They truly Make America Great.

Our borders really should be the line that's drawn where our laws stop. Anyone within the borders are entitled to the full protection of the laws and services of the United States and the local State/county/municipality. Borders absolutely matter, in that sense.
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I say we copy Canada exactly or maybe Mexico.
 
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