Politics Trump to end DACA

[3RA1N1AC]

We should just give Mexico the Dakotas to fill up. I bet they would make more money in taxes than they take in welfare.

 

[Denny Crane]

And what if 300 million people from South America came up here looking for work or welfare, you'd see how foolish your plan is then.

The more people there are, the more jobs there are - that's an economic fact. We've had 4% unemployment with 340M population and back when we had 280M. The 4% figure is presumed to be the number of people who are between jobs, not long term unemployed.

Undocumented immigrants do not get welfare or social security, even though they do pay taxes (even income taxes).

300M people form South America wouldn't come here, though. People do like the countries they come from, and stay, for the most part.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The more people there are, the more jobs there are - that's an economic fact. We've had 4% unemployment with 340M population and back when we had 280M. The 4% figure is presumed to be the number of people who are between jobs, not long term unemployed.

Undocumented immigrants do not get welfare or social security, even though they do pay taxes (even income taxes).

300M people form South America wouldn't come here, though. People do like the countries they come from, and stay, for the most part.

Here's an opinion piece. What parts are wrong numbers wise?
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/7/l-county-hands-13-billion-billion-illegals-welfare/

 

[crandc]

Say his name: Alonso Guillen, DACA recipient, drowned rescuing others during Harvey floods.

Rather have him in my country than a privileged 71 year old egomaniac who inherited wealth and increased it with racism, graft, and not paying people for their work.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here's an opinion piece. What parts are wrong numbers wise?
http://m.washingtontimes.com/news/2017/aug/7/l-county-hands-13-billion-billion-illegals-welfare/

I think he's counting children of undocumented immigrants who were born here.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...lay-says-most-illegal-immigrants-draw-welfar/

Welfare benefits

The federal government hasn’t distributed welfare checks to eligible people in poverty for around 20 years; that approach was replaced in the late 1990s by targeted aid programs jointly administered by the federal and state governments that provide assistance with cash, food, housing and health care. That act, the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, also barred unauthorized immigrants from drawing benefits.

Title IV of the act, subheaded "restricting welfare and public benefits for aliens," states that "aliens who are not qualified aliens" are ineligible for "federal public benefits" and for "state and local public benefits." The act defines qualified aliens as people with certain legal documented immigration status, meaning unauthorized immigrants are not eligible.

We confirmed from eligibility rules posted on government websites that unauthorized immigrants aren’t eligible for major aid programs including Medicaid, the joint federal-state health coverage for people in poverty; Supplemental Security Income (SSI), which provides cash assistance to the impoverished elderly or disabled; Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), which used to be food stamps; housing assistance from the Department of Housing and Urban Development; and Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), which provides grants for state-administered family assistance programs like child care, cash assistance or counseling.

Separately, Broder and Randy Capps of the Migration Policy Institute, a think tank that believes in the benefits of well-managed immigration, each told us federal welfare benefits aren’t available to unauthorized immigrants.

By phone, Jack Martin, author of reports on unauthorized immigrants in Texas for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates tighter immigration controls, put it this way: "Illegal aliens are not eligible directly for welfare assistance" though, he said, parents living in the country without permission can sign up qualified children for aid.

 

[The Professional Fan]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I think he's counting children of undocumented immigrants who were born here.

http://www.politifact.com/texas/sta...lay-says-most-illegal-immigrants-draw-welfar/

Welfare benefits

The federal government hasn’t distributed welfare checks to eligible people in poverty for around 20 years; that approach was replaced in the late 1990s by targeted aid programs jointly administered by the federal and state governments that provide assistance with cash, food, housing and health care. That act, the 1996 Personal Responsibility and Work Opportunity Reconciliation Act, also barred unauthorized immigrants from drawing benefits.

Title IV of the act, subheaded "restricting welfare and public benefits for aliens," states that "aliens who are not qualified aliens" are ineligible for "federal public benefits" and for "state and local public benefits." The act defines qualified aliens as people with certain legal documented immigration status, meaning unauthorized immigrants are not eligible.

We confirmed from eligibility rules posted on government websites that unauthorized immigrants aren’t eligible for major aid programs including Medicaid, the joint federal-state health coverage for people in poverty; Supplemental Security Income (SSI), which provides cash assistance to the impoverished elderly or disabled; Supplemental Nutrition Assistance Program (SNAP), which used to be food stamps; housing assistance from the Department of Housing and Urban Development; and Temporary Assistance to Needy Families (TANF), which provides grants for state-administered family assistance programs like child care, cash assistance or counseling.

Separately, Broder and Randy Capps of the Migration Policy Institute, a think tank that believes in the benefits of well-managed immigration, each told us federal welfare benefits aren’t available to unauthorized immigrants.

By phone, Jack Martin, author of reports on unauthorized immigrants in Texas for the Federation for American Immigration Reform, which advocates tighter immigration controls, put it this way: "Illegal aliens are not eligible directly for welfare assistance" though, he said, parents living in the country without permission can sign up qualified children for aid.

Not much difference if someone can walk in and have a child and get free money.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Say his name: Alonso Guillen, DACA recipient, drowned rescuing others during Harvey floods.

Rather have him in my country than a privileged 71 year old egomaniac who inherited wealth and increased it with racism, graft, and not paying people for their work.

Guillen’s family, meanwhile, is left to mourn him. “When we are with God, there are no borders,” his mother told the Chronicle. “Man made borders on this earth.”

From huffpost^^^^^^^

Wonder if she goes to Heaven if she'd respect any borders God did make?

Feel bad for the guy, he's a hero.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not much difference if someone can walk in and have a child and get free money.

It's the law.

I would prefer we educate the children, as long as we have public education. Then they won't need welfare as adults.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It's the law.

I would prefer we educate the children, as long as we have public education. Then they won't need welfare as adults.

Not speaking about the legal aspect. Speaking about the oft repeated misinformation that illegals don't get welfare. If the American born kids are in foster homes headed by Americans then no, illegals wouldn't get welfare.

If a three year old American kid living in America with his illegal immigrant parents get welfare then the parents get welfare.

If you want proof of this give my wife 1 million dollars. Then say you didn't give ME the Million dollars. I'll let you say it until you're blue in the face.

 

[Denny Crane]

Not speaking about the legal aspect. Speaking about the oft repeated misinformation that illegals don't get welfare. If the American born kids are in foster homes headed by Americans then no, illegals wouldn't get welfare.

If a three year old American kid living in America with his illegal immigrant parents get welfare then the parents get welfare.

If you want proof of this give my wife 1 million dollars. Then say you didn't give ME the Million dollars. I'll let you say it until you're blue in the face.

The law says the don't get welfare.

Both state and feds.

I'm not sure even those born here get welfare until they're adults. I'm sure you can pretend that school lunch is welfare to pad a bogus number.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

The law says the don't get welfare.

Both state and feds.

I'm not sure even those born here get welfare until they're adults. I'm sure you can pretend that school lunch is welfare to pad a bogus number.

Should be relatively easy to prove. 3 year olds don't file for themselves.

 

[Sedatedfork]

I'm going to be sad when they take away our @HCP

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.politico.com/story/2017/...s-trump-guest-worker-visas-immigration-242271

President Donald Trump’s harsh criticism of immigration programs and Congress’ refusal to lift a cap on work visas meant many seasonalbusinesses had to hire American this summer — and pay their workers more.

That's good news for Trump,for U.S. workers, and for supporters ofTrump's “American First” agenda

 

[Denny Crane]

Should be relatively easy to prove. 3 year olds don't file for themselves.

Maybe those who claim undocumented immigrants ARE getting welfare should prove it.

So far, the numbers look suspect.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Maybe those who claim undocumented immigrants ARE getting welfare should prove it.

So far, the numbers look suspect.

http://www.fairus.org/news/illegal-immigration-a-113-billion-a-year-drain-on-u-s-taxpayers

Since we don't have any government agency reporting the numbers who are we supposed to believe.

This article states that half of the money is for education. If you don't consider payment to illegals in education or food or health care welfare what would you call it?

It certainly isn't owed or earned just for walking into our country.

I thought Arpaio costing AZ taxpayers 70 million was ridiculous. It is just a drop in the bucket.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.fairus.org/news/illegal-immigration-a-113-billion-a-year-drain-on-u-s-taxpayers

Since we don't have any government agency reporting the numbers who are we supposed to believe.

This article states that half of the money is for education. If you don't consider payment to illegals in education or food or health care welfare what would you call it?

It certainly isn't owed or earned just for walking into our country.

I thought Arpaio costing AZ taxpayers 70 million was ridiculous. It is just a drop in the bucket.

I would call education education. It's not welfare. It is earned, by right as citizen or via the taxes that undocumented immigrants actually pay (sales tax for one).

Welfare is a check to help pay living expenses.

"Since we don't have any government agency reporting the numbers, we'll make some up!"

 

[dviss1]

Fuck you Drumpf!!

And FUCK everyone that supports this.

Ban me if you want...

 

[dviss1]

Fuck this shit. Undocumented Immigrants pay more taxes than most of our corporations. This shit is shameful..

They pay over 12 Billion a year in taxes.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I would call education education. It's not welfare. It is earned, by right as citizen or via the taxes that undocumented immigrants actually pay (sales tax for one).

Welfare is a check to help pay living expenses.

"Since we don't have any government agency reporting the numbers, we'll make some up!"

These sources used government numbers. Someone else feel free to interpret them differently.

Education isn't just education. Native born students that speak English don't require as much money as a kid who just got here and speaks something else.

 

[MarAzul]

Fuck you Drumpf!!

And FUCK everyone that supports this.

Ban me if you want...

You are one -------- sucker!

It is so much better to have a President that follows the Constitution, enforces the laws on the books rather than making up his own.
Think before you post.

 

[dviss1]

You are one -------- sucker!

It is so much better to have a President that follows the Constitution, enforces the laws on the books rather than making up his own.
Think before you post.

You say a lot of dumb shit.

Was Reagan following the constitution when he gave them amnesty in the first place? Yeah...

Do they pay more in taxes than the ones you try to get out of? Yeah...

 

[Denny Crane]

These sources used government numbers. Someone else feel free to interpret them differently.

Education isn't just education. Native born students that speak English don't require as much money as a kid who just got here and speaks something else.

Misused, not used.

Are they counting the taxes these people pay?

I didn't think so.

Answered my own question.

 

[dviss1]

These sources used government numbers. Someone else feel free to interpret them differently.

Education isn't just education. Native born students that speak English don't require as much money as a kid who just got here and speaks something else.

So, since corporations need slave labor, we should let the children of slave laborists:

a. Not get any healthcare therefore making our population sicker.

b. Not get any education so they don't speak English like

c. Not give a shit about the 12 BILLION in taxes they pay every year.

d. Deport them after they've labored.

Shame on this fuckin' country...

 

[MarAzul]

Was Reagan following the constitution when he gave them amnesty in the first place?

>>> Yes he did, he signed a bill by Congress into law. But there is no "them" applicable in today's Dreamers.

Do they pay more in taxes than the ones you try to get out of? Yeah...

>>> So what?

You say a lot of dumb shit.

>>> It is a 1st amendment right you know. But why did you bring it up?

 

[dviss1]

>>> Yes he did, he signed a bill by Congress into law. But there is no "them" applicable in today's Dreamers.



>>> So what?



>>> It is a 1st amendment right you know. But why did you bring it up?

It's ironic that most of this country used to BE Mexico and MFs like you have the nerve to tell them to get out of a country y'all raped and pillaged to "settle"...

 

[MarAzul]

It's ironic that most of this country used to BE Mexico and MFs like you have the nerve to tell them to get out of a country y'all raped and pillaged to "settle"...

Oregon was never part of Mexico.
My parents immigrated to this country in the last century legally, Ellis Island and all. Never pillaging anything.

Do you ever think before you speak? Or just grab your ass and throw what every gets on your hand?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Misused, not used.

Are they counting the taxes these people pay?

I didn't think so.

Answered my own question.

Politifact claims this is false because nobody knows.

http://www.politifact.com/truth-o-m...-trump-says-illegal-immigration-costs-113-bi/

So, when people say 113 billion people will just say "Not True" when really nobody knows.

I did see a protest in Vegas this weekend. The fast food workers want 15 bucks an hour. In a completely unrelated coincidence they were protesting DACA at the same time.

Then a woman with 6 morbidly obese kids complained that she can't support them on 8.25 an hour.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

So, since corporations need slave labor, we should let the children of slave laborists:

a. Not get any healthcare therefore making our population sicker.

b. Not get any education so they don't speak English like

c. Not give a shit about the 12 BILLION in taxes they pay every year.

d. Deport them after they've labored.

Shame on this fuckin' country...

You sure do hit on the root of the problem but don't seem to care. The employers are a major problem. If you can't even imagine how that could hurt us all while the one percent gets richer I don't know what to tell you.

If they came here to get the land back that would be one thing. They do say that quite openly. They really come here for the jobs and the money all that raping and pillaging made possible.

I'd even be for letting them all stay if we really put an end to it happening again. Letting them stay without stopping it in the future just encourages more to come. With a high tech automated future how does that seem like a good idea.

They're gonna lose their jobs to robots because that's even cheaper than slave labor they get now.