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dviss1 said:
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how you call her a commie (when our president is nuzzling up to them right now) and say some dumb shit like she'd abolish the NBA.

It proves thou have no clue of what a democratic socialist is, but you'd be happy to put your own uninformed, bullshit label on it.
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"Democratic socialism" is the funniest phrase I've heard today. Talk about an oxymoron. Is that the thing to do now? Take something inherently un-democratic at its core and shove the word "democratic" in front of it to make it more palatable for the entitled college brats you're selling it to? I can't say it isn't working though.
 
jonnyboy said:
"Democratic socialism" is the funniest phrase I've heard today. Talk about an oxymoron. Is that the thing to do now? Take something inherently un-democratic at its core and shove the word "democratic" in front of it to make it more palatable for the entitled college brats you're selling it to? I can't say it isn't working though.
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Like I said, you have no fucking clue.

Look up countries like Finland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, etc.
 
jonnyboy said:
"Democratic socialism" is the funniest phrase I've heard today. Talk about an oxymoron. Is that the thing to do now? Take something inherently un-democratic at its core and shove the word "democratic" in front of it to make it more palatable for the entitled college brats you're selling it to? I can't say it isn't working though.
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Do you support the military?
 
MARIS61 said:
So you’re saying Mexico is a shithole, with nowhere safe or nice to live, which strongly supports the notion that Mexicans are not good stewards of their own country. A clear danger to our country, which mimics Mexico in areas they have been given sanctuary from our entire legal system.

Why do you hate Mexicans so much?
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There are a lot of unsafe and shitty places to live here in the US. Seems like we are having enough trouble stewarding our own country.

Stop trying to twist peoples words. Your the one who openly hates anyone who isn't a white American. You hate Mexicans and showcase it in your many ignorant and racist posts.
 
jonnyboy said:
"Democratic socialism" is the funniest phrase I've heard today. Talk about an oxymoron. Is that the thing to do now? Take something inherently un-democratic at its core and shove the word "democratic" in front of it to make it more palatable for the entitled college brats you're selling it to? I can't say it isn't working though.
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You seem to be putting your own label on it in an effort to control the narrative, all to trash a concept that you obviously dont understand or care to. That is what I consider undemocratic.
 
riverman said:
Like those dangerous Orchards in central Washington....those crime ridden lettuce fields in California...those Home Depots looking for a construction job...I don't recall seeing many homeless Mexicans or Asians begging on the street corners ...those are usually born and bred right here in the USA...and they don't want to pick fruit or pick lettuce or work up a sweat for a paycheck...most are making a career as bums. Credit where credit is due....our fruit farmers are going to lose big money this fall...many can only harvest a small portion of their crops..locals don't want to do these jobs....#losing
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Your local community is a bunch of anti-American slave-owners, refusing to pay a legal wage and payroll taxes. Greedy thieves preying on illegal aliens while destroying the retirement of millions of hardworking law-abiding citizens.

Own it.
 
MARIS61 said:
Your local community is a bunch of anti-American slave-owners, refusing to pay a legal wage and payroll taxes. Greedy thieves preying on illegal aliens while destroying the retirement of millions of hardworking law-abiding citizens.

Own it.
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Where do you get this crap from?...Seriously, do you simply type anything that enters your mind, whether it has merit or not?

Like Trump and many of his supporters, simply saying/tweeting/typing something does not make it factual.
 
yankeesince59 said:
Where do you get this crap from?...Seriously, do you simply type anything that enters your mind, whether it has merit or not?

Like Trump and many of his supporters, simply saying/tweeting/typing something does not make it factual.
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"This crap" stems from his inability to admit he is wrong.
 
dviss1 said:
I'm not talking about that. I'm talking about how you call her a commie (when our president is nuzzling up to them right now) and say some dumb shit like she'd abolish the NBA.

It proves you have no clue of what a democratic socialist is, but you'd be happy to put your own uninformed, bullshit label on it.
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Maybe I don't, but no need to accuse me of being uniformed about the marxist socialism Ive seen around the world in my almost 70 years.
 
Hoopguru said:
Maybe I don't, but no need to accuse me of being uniformed about the marxist socialism Ive seen around the world in my almost 70 years.
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No, you don't seem to have a clue of what socialism is.

My question went unanswered.

Do you support the military?
 
Yes I do, 100%. The number 1 responsibility of our Government is to protect us as a people from foreign an/or inside enemies.
I don't have a problem with supporting a limited government as I think when gov gets to big or in the way its stifles freedom and prosperity. Im of the feeling that government is way to big now and very inefficient.
I understand that this democratic socialism is supposed to be a hybrid mix of democracy and paying for every government program. Thats where I have an issue as I think we pay way to much now in taxes.
I covered the whole country of Canada for 20 years and got to know many of the great Canadian people. Most, everyone would tell me they disliked the national socialistic medicine, and would rather what we can have down here, the opportunity to have it or not and purchase as you see fit.The fed takes approx 60% of their income and the Government subsidizes most of their industries (Airlines, Mills, etc.).
 
Hoopguru said:
Yes I do, 100%. The number 1 responsibility of our Government is to protect us as a people from foreign an/or inside enemies.
I don't have a problem with supporting a limited government as I think when gov gets to big or in the way its stifles freedom and prosperity. Im of the feeling that government is way to big now and very inefficient.
I understand that this democratic socialism is supposed to be a hybrid mix of democracy and paying for every government program. Thats where I have an issue as I think we pay way to much now in taxes.
I covered the whole country of Canada for 20 years and got to know many of the great Canadian people. Most, everyone would tell me they disliked the national socialistic medicine, and would rather what we can have down here, the opportunity to have it or not and purchase as you see fit.The fed takes approx 60% of their income and the Government subsidizes most of their industries (Airlines, Mills, etc.).
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I agree whole heartedly with your first statement.
 
Hoopguru said:
Yes I do, 100%. The number 1 responsibility of our Government is to protect us as a people from foreign an/or inside enemies.
I don't have a problem with supporting a limited government as I think when gov gets to big or in the way its stifles freedom and prosperity. Im of the feeling that government is way to big now and very inefficient.
I understand that this democratic socialism is supposed to be a hybrid mix of democracy and paying for every government program. Thats where I have an issue as I think we pay way to much now in taxes.
I covered the whole country of Canada for 20 years and got to know many of the great Canadian people. Most, everyone would tell me they disliked the national socialistic medicine, and would rather what we can have down here, the opportunity to have it or not and purchase as you see fit.The fed takes approx 60% of their income and the Government subsidizes most of their industries (Airlines, Mills, etc.).
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Then you support one of the most socialist entities on the planet.

Lots of "big government" hyperbole in this post. It's like it's been fed to you and you didn't question it.
 
dviss1 said:
Like I said, you have no fucking clue.

Look up countries like Finland, Norway, Sweden, Switzerland, etc.
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Yes, we've all heard of those countries man. They are a fraction of the size of the United States, and they are currently experiencing severe growing pains that their system isn't designed for, i.e a shit load of people who don't work. Giving all your money to the a government isn't going to solve any of our problems, especially when the government grossly misappropriates money as it is, which brings up your other question. I don't support the way our military is currently run, no. Too big, too expensive and too far up the ass of every other country on the planet. I support a defensive military, and I've always supported those who serve.

Proceed on telling me how I'm actually a socialist and just don't know it.
 
Hoopguru said:
Yes I do, 100%. The number 1 responsibility of our Government is to protect us as a people from foreign an/or inside enemies.
I don't have a problem with supporting a limited government as I think when gov gets to big or in the way its stifles freedom and prosperity. Im of the feeling that government is way to big now and very inefficient.
I understand that this democratic socialism is supposed to be a hybrid mix of democracy and paying for every government program. Thats where I have an issue as I think we pay way to much now in taxes.
I covered the whole country of Canada for 20 years and got to know many of the great Canadian people. Most, everyone would tell me they disliked the national socialistic medicine, and would rather what we can have down here, the opportunity to have it or not and purchase as you see fit.The fed takes approx 60% of their income and the Government subsidizes most of their industries (Airlines, Mills, etc.).
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Wrong.

We're paying the lowest taxes we've paid in 50 years and they just got lower.

And you just pulled that 60% number out of your ass.
 
jonnyboy said:
Yes, we've all heard of those countries man. They are a fraction of the size of the United States, and they are currently experiencing severe growing pains that their system isn't designed for, i.e a shit load of people who don't work. Giving all your money to the a government isn't going to solve any of our problems, especially when the government grossly misappropriates money as it is, which brings up your other question. I don't support the way our military is currently run, no. Too big, too expensive and too far up the ass of every other country on the planet. I support a defensive military, and I've always supported those who serve.

Proceed on telling me how I'm actually a socialist and just don't know it.
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You like making things up as you go along. Also, the country size argument is tired. Stop with that fallacy. None of those countries had economic problems like ours did when we bailed out the banks. None of them.

Again the military is the most socialist entity on the planet. They literally pay your back child support.
 
jonnyboy said:
and they are currently experiencing severe growing pains that their system isn't designed for, i.e a shit load of people who don't work. Giving all your money to the a government isn't going to solve any of our problems,

Proceed on telling me how I'm actually a socialist and just don't know it.
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The black bolded is just a false argument. Get off the hyperbole. You literally just made that up. Something tells me you'll try to point at Greece, a country who's main industry is tourism. Don't.

The bolded red? Not one liberal has ever made this argument. Strawman much?
 
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yankeesince59 said:
Where do you get this crap from?...Seriously, do you simply type anything that enters your mind, whether it has merit or not?

Like Trump and many of his supporters, simply saying/tweeting/typing something does not make it factual.
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A better question is how does that bullshit even enter one's mind in the first place? :dunno:
 
dviss1 said:
A better question is how does that bullshit even enter one's mind in the first place? :dunno:
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Not everybody is raised to think logically. Remember, we tend to behave more and more like our parents as we age. Thank God, my father taught me to reason.
 
If people think we pay to much taxes, why don't we band together and cut our military expenses?

We spent over $611 Bil our "defense budget". Trump just ballooned that another $78 Bil and cats got the nerve to complain about high taxes.

Our budget shows that we as a country have our priorities screwed.
 
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dviss1 said:
A better question is how does that bullshit even enter one's mind in the first place? :dunno:
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I suppose it's because some people can talk themselves in to anything...and if they try hard enough they can always find a way to justify it in their own mind.
 
dviss1 said:
Wrong.

We're paying the lowest taxes we've paid in 50 years and they just got lower.

And you just pulled that 60% number out of your ass.
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And they need to be lower.
And no sir, I didn't pull it out of my ass. I've had several good Canuck friends tell me that's about what they pay. Someone has to pay for a socialistic high cost government. And they only have 10% of the population that we do.

Ive always taught my kids, if there is something you want work hard and manage things properly and you could achieve your goal. take advantage of all the opportunities this country has to offer and never take it for granite. And to know, to whom much is given, much is expected.
 
Hoopguru said:
And they need to be lower.
And no sir, I didn't pull it out of my ass. I've had several good Canuck friends tell me that's about what they pay. Someone has to pay for a socialistic high cost government. And they only have 10% of the population that we do.

Ive always taught my kids, if there is something you want work hard and manage things properly and you could achieve your goal. take advantage of all the opportunities this country has to offer and never take it for granite. And to know, to whom much is given, much is expected.
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For 'granite'? Did you really mean to insert a hard form of rock in that sentence? How about 'granted'?
 
Lanny said:
For 'granite'? Did you really mean to insert a hard form of rock in that sentence? How about 'granted'?
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Sure, they pay higher taxes but then they get free medical including meds. They also have other benefits.

You should try a visit up there and see if they're happy or not.
 
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