Trying to rationalize what's going on

[riverman]

Paul Allen loved to draft undersized defensively challenged pt guards...Joe Cronin loves to draft 6'9 defensive wings.....I think Joe has the better plan moving forward so far.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Paul Allen loved to draft undersized defensively challenged pt guards...Joe Cronin loves to draft 6'9 defensive wings.....I think Joe has the better plan moving forward so far.

100%

 

[Natebishop3]

I wasn’t comparing them to each other. I was comparing them to Camara.

So was I. Camara is 24 so he's older than either of those players in his second season. By a large margin with Kawhi.

 

[barfo]

Option 1: Billups is doing whatever the fuck he wants. He needs to pad his resume for when his contract runs out. I don't think the Blazers are bringing him back. He's pulling a Art Howe from Money Ball. He's playing the roster in a way that he can explain in job interviews. He could tell Joe to fire him if he wants him to play the roster differently and now the Blazers can't even really fire him because he had that win streak. Best case he somehow pushes us into the playin, which looks really good. Worst case we still suck and get a lottery pick. Doesn't hurt him either way.

I don't buy this one.

"Hi, Mr. GM, thanks for inviting me to this interview. At my last job, I did whatever the fuck I wanted and ignored what my GM wanted me to do. So, you should hire me."

barfo

 

[Natebishop3]

I don't buy this one.

"Hi, Mr. GM, thanks for inviting me to this interview. At my last job, I did whatever the fuck I wanted and ignored what my GM wanted me to do. So, you should hire me."

barfo

Hi Mr. GM, in my last job I got tired of intentionally throwing games and I had some decent players in my stable so I played them in a way that would win games.

 

[dviss1]

Jody should have done an EXTENSIVE job selecting a new GM. But instead, she went cheap, hired an idiot, who proceeds to trade CJ and Nurk while LYING to Dame, overpaying Jerami Grant and getting back quitters with horrible contracts like Deandre Ayton.. We can go down the list of blunders he's made. They have been extensive.

That bish needs to SELL THE TEAM.

Imagine if Phil Knight was the owner...

 

[riverman]

Jody should have done an EXTENSIVE job selecting a new GM. But instead, she went cheap, hired an idiot, who proceeds to trade CJ and Nurk while LYING to Dame, overpaying Jerami Grant and getting back quitters with horrible contracts like Deandre Ayton.. We can go down the list of blunders he's made. They have been extensive.

That bish needs to SELL THE TEAM.

Imagine if Phil Knight was the owner...

nonsense...Dame demanded a trade after demanding they sign Grant...Ayton is the best center we've had in a decade. Toumani was a stroke of genius. Deni was a brilliant signing. Olshey couldn't tie Cronin's shoes in my view and Jody has renovated the practice facility, bought a G league team and put a new roof on the Moda as well as upgraded the electronics..you don't have to like her but she's pretty far from cheap and Phil Knight spent millions on Trump's campaign and the GOP party in Oregon last election and is on his last legs.....choices. Good to see you back dviss but we disagree about Jody and what she's done so far. I think she and Joe ripped off the Olshey bandaid and got some defensive minded young building blocks. We'll see if it translates to playoff success but Dame's tenure really didn't get us a chip after a decade. Dame is struggling with a recent championship franchise playing next to an MVP candidate right now. He's also 34 and making so much money that they have no bench...sound familiar? Personally I think Dame fucked this up with his Miami only bullshit demand. Dame has come out in support of Jody...she helped him not only on court but also helped him start his Toyota biz and other projects...I don't get the hate...I think it's misguided. Also since Knight offered her 2 billion for the franchise, it's more than doubled in value. Knight low balled Jody with that offer, the Hornets are worth twice what he offered Jody.

 

[julius]

Jody should have done an EXTENSIVE job selecting a new GM. But instead, she went cheap, hired an idiot, who proceeds to trade CJ and Nurk while LYING to Dame, overpaying Jerami Grant and getting back quitters with horrible contracts like Deandre Ayton.. We can go down the list of blunders he's made. They have been extensive.

That bish needs to SELL THE TEAM.

Imagine if Phil Knight was the owner...

Wait...trading Nurk was bad?

Even if all they got out of the deal was Toumani, that was a stroke of genius.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

Wait...trading Nurk was bad?

Even if all they got out of the deal was Toumani, that was a stroke of genius.

I mean ok, sure it was good we got rid of Nurk.

I wonder who it was that handed him that stupid overpaid contract.

 

[Pinwheel1]

I mean ok, sure it was good we got rid of Nurk.

I wonder who it was that handed him that stupid overpaid contract.

That particular overpaid contract might actually have paid off. Phoenix wanted to unload Ayton and needed a center with a bigger contract to help match.
Intentional or not....we are all happy with the inclusion of Camara in the trade.

 

[blazerfan11]

That particular overpaid contract might actually have paid off. Phoenix wanted to unload Ayton and needed a center with a bigger contract to help match.
Intentional or not....we are all happy with the inclusion of Camara in the trade.

And this is Camara's contract status.

 

[Cugel]

skip ahead some. He is basically saying the same thing we all are. The organization is shite. Ownership is shite. Billups is shite. Joe is shite.

 

[wizenheimer]

Paul Allen loved to draft undersized defensively challenged pt guards...Joe Cronin loves to draft 6'9 defensive wings.....I think Joe has the better plan moving forward so far.

in the ast 20 years or so, mostly 1st round picks:

Paul Allen:

6'9 Travis Outlaw
6'1 Telfaire
6'8 Sergei Monia
6'7 Martell Webster
6'3 Jarrett Jack
6'11 LMA
6'6 Brandon Roy
6'3 Sergio Rodriguez
6'11 Joel Freeland
7'0 Greg Oden
6'6 Rudy Fernandez
6'10 Josh McRoberts
6'3 Jerryd Bayless
6'8 Nic Batum
6'9 Victor Claver
6'8 Dante Cunningham
6'8 Luke Babbitt
6'5 Elliot Williams
6'3 Armon Johnson
6'2 Nolan Smith

Olshey Era:

6'2 Dame
7'0 Meyers Leonard
6'6 Will Barton
6'3 CJ McCollum
6'6 Allen Crabbe
6'11 Zach Randolph
6'9 Caleb Swanigan
6'3 Anfernee Simons
6'5 Nassir Little

Cronin:

6'5 Sharpe
6'3 Scoot Henderson
6'8 Kris Murray
7'2 Clingan

I don't think there's near enough of a record of Cronin drafts to reach any conclusions. He's traded for some defense and drafted Clingan

PA before Olshey drafted 6 players 6'3 or under but 14 players 6'6 or over. I don't know it that's normal or not; probably is

Olshey drafted some shorter players but more than that he didn't really care about defense

 

[Phatguysrule]

Jody should have done an EXTENSIVE job selecting a new GM. But instead, she went cheap, hired an idiot, who proceeds to trade CJ and Nurk while LYING to Dame, overpaying Jerami Grant and getting back quitters with horrible contracts like Deandre Ayton.. We can go down the list of blunders he's made. They have been extensive.

That bish needs to SELL THE TEAM.

Imagine if Phil Knight was the owner...

I'd happily trade Nurk for the younger Ayton. The fact that we got Camara as well makes that deal a slam dunk.

But I agree that Phil Knight would be a much better owner.

 

[BonesJones]

We have 4 players with legitimate All Star potential that is being realized day to day right now. I think we are much better off than when we had Dame.

Lmao of course you think so.

 

[BonesJones]

We don't have a Dame. We are not good. It's funny, you bag on all our old teams, and I'm bagging on the current ones. Yet the ones you bag on have all made playoffs. Huh. Weird, isn't it?

He said all those teams were going to win championships so he's full of shit.

 

[dviss1]

nonsense...Dame demanded a trade after demanding they sign Grant...Ayton is the best center we've had in a decade. Toumani was a stroke of genius. Deni was a brilliant signing. Olshey couldn't tie Cronin's shoes in my view and Jody has renovated the practice facility, bought a G league team and put a new roof on the Moda as well as upgraded the electronics..you don't have to like her but she's pretty far from cheap and Phil Knight spent millions on Trump's campaign and the GOP party in Oregon last election and is on his last legs.....choices. Good to see you back dviss but we disagree about Jody and what she's done so far. I think she and Joe ripped off the Olshey bandaid and got some defensive minded young building blocks. We'll see if it translates to playoff success but Dame's tenure really didn't get us a chip after a decade. Dame is struggling with a recent championship franchise playing next to an MVP candidate right now. He's also 34 and making so much money that they have no bench...sound familiar? Personally I think Dame fucked this up with his Miami only bullshit demand. Dame has come out in support of Jody...she helped him not only on court but also helped him start his Toyota biz and other projects...I don't get the hate...I think it's misguided. Also since Knight offered her 2 billion for the franchise, it's more than doubled in value. Knight low balled Jody with that offer, the Hornets are worth twice what he offered Jody.

Dame demanded the trade because this team is being ran into the ground. If you're arguing that she shouldn't sell the team, THAT'S nonsense.

Edit: You create a false equivalence. You act like I like Olshey. NO. But Jody should have gone on an EXPANSIVE search for a GM instead of hiring Cronin who, after lying to us all, I don't give a pass.

 

[dviss1]

Wait...trading Nurk was bad?

Even if all they got out of the deal was Toumani, that was a stroke of genius.

I was sad to see Nurk go. I think a lot of fans were. I like Toumani.

 

[PCmor7]

Dame demanded the trade because this team is being ran into the ground. If you're arguing that she shouldn't sell the team, THAT'S nonsense.

Edit: You create a false equivalence. You act like I like Olshey. NO. But Jody should have gone on an EXPANSIVE search for a GM instead of hiring Cronin who, after lying to us all, I don't give a pass.

I think Dame demanded a trade because he had friends and entourage that wanted him in Miami, more than anything, and, sure, the Heat were in a better place to contend, but I think even to cite that as the whole reason he wanted out is intellectually dishonest.

 

[sheed30]

skip ahead some. He is basically saying the same thing we all are. The organization is shite. Ownership is shite. Billups is shite. Joe is shite.

Nah, its actually a small amount of people that feel that way about all you called out...and they repeat themselves 24/7 so their views are the "loudest"

Some of you guys just can't be pleased at all and think you guys know it all, its hilarious.

Sharpe's play has won us the last two games for example, showing even more signs in his 3rd season his potential- be a cornerstone for us, but all some of you guys on here know how to do is bitch and complain.

 

[Foxx]

BLAZERS WIN. That’s what’s going on

 

[julius]

I was sad to see Nurk go. I think a lot of fans were. I like Toumani.

He was done. It was time to move on, and they got a good package for him. Even if DA can be a bit mercurial, he puts up better #'s than Nurk did and does.

 

[riverman]

Dame demanded the trade because this team is being ran into the ground. If you're arguing that she shouldn't sell the team, THAT'S nonsense.

Edit: You create a false equivalence. You act like I like Olshey. NO. But Jody should have gone on an EXPANSIVE search for a GM instead of hiring Cronin who, after lying to us all, I don't give a pass.

nah...you called Jody a cheap "b" word dviss...that's a false equivalency and I stated why. Phil Knight wants to turn Oregon into a red state. It's why Paul Allen never liked the guy. We didn't play a lick of defense under Olsey....under Cronin, we're developing two way players, not ISO players and we have an actual bench. Early this season I didn't see it but now, it's paying off. I said Jody shouldn't sell the team to KNIGHT, not that she shouldn't sell the team. Also said 2 billion was a low ball offer which it is. As to Dame, I still believe he'll end his career as a Blazer.

 

[Ripcity4life77]

You know Nate -- going to try and say this without trying to start something with ya but your reasoning leaves out one option that could also be true ..

Cronin screwed up on this one -- even if you buy that he is better then some think ( me and others ) that is fine but you hardly if ever that I have read but to be fair do not see everything you say on this board but never seen you give Cronin any heat for the bad stuff that he has done. This is why I think your a suck up or something to Cronin cause you always are there to make excuses for the man so I am giving you a chance to explain why you never give Cronin any real heat ??

I will ALWAYS have a bone to pick with Cronin over the Dame thing and how it was handled but now that time has passed I have come to a new conclusion. I am starting to wonder if someone over in the front office / ownership side of things might be making it harder for Cronin to get things done. Now I still think Joe could be more creative and find a way to get more done but I am willing to concede its at least POSSIBLE outside shit is causing Joe to not do stuff too. I still think he is a average GM at best but he really has to get something done more like get rid of some dead weight before it drags the rebuild into the ground AKA Grant , Ant and Ayton. I feel at least 2 have to go before the start of next season and the other at the deadline or this team is going to run into wall with it's rebuild.

 

[Natebishop3]

BLAZERS WIN. That’s what’s going on

Our last four wins have been over the Wizards, Jazz, Nets, and Hornets.

 

[Cugel]

Yeah let’s pretend the blowouts against Denver didn’t happen

 

[BonesJones]

I think Dame demanded a trade because he had friends and entourage that wanted him in Miami, more than anything, and, sure, the Heat were in a better place to contend, but I think even to cite that as the whole reason he wanted out is intellectually dishonest.

Thinking Dame made a career decision because of what other people thought after ignoring all the pressure for him to ask out way before that makes no sense.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Our last four wins have been over the Wizards, Jazz, Nets, and Hornets.

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Helping them improve their draft position. We're nice guys that way.

 

[PCmor7]

Thinking Dame made a career decision because of what other people thought after ignoring all the pressure for him to ask out way before that makes no sense.

It happens all the time, actually. Agents. Handlers. Friends. Family. They all advise or work on people to make decisions, career and otherwise, and eventually they find something that compels them or what not.

In Dame's case in particular, the specificity of Miami as a destination rather than just wanting out changes the entire dynamic.

 

[dviss1]

nah...you called Jody a cheap "b" word dviss...that's a false equivalency and I stated why. Phil Knight wants to turn Oregon into a red state. It's why Paul Allen never liked the guy. We didn't play a lick of defense under Olsey....under Cronin, we're developing two way players, not ISO players and we have an actual bench. Early this season I didn't see it but now, it's paying off. I said Jody shouldn't sell the team to KNIGHT, not that she shouldn't sell the team. Also said 2 billion was a low ball offer which it is. As to Dame, I still believe he'll end his career as a Blazer.

I think she is a cheap bitch. I don't care about Phil Knight as a person. He would be an amazing owner. I couldn't care less what Cronin says about who we're developing. He is not a good GM. I think he's trash personally. And ever since he lied he lost any credibility he could've had with me.

I don't know anything about what Phil Knight offered but I do believe Dame would still be here had he purchased the team. And I'd rather still have Dame than of most the team we have currently.