Trying to rationalize what's going on

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PCmor7 said:
I think Dame demanded a trade because he had friends and entourage that wanted him in Miami, more than anything, and, sure, the Heat were in a better place to contend, but I think even to cite that as the whole reason he wanted out is intellectually dishonest.
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Dame wouldn't have ever asked for a trade if we did the things we should've done. I think had we hired a competent GM, he'd still be here.
 
julius said:
He was done. It was time to move on, and they got a good package for him. Even if DA can be a bit mercurial, he puts up better #'s than Nurk did and does.
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I didn't disagree with the trade. I was just sad to see him go and it was Cronin's bitch ass who did it. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
 
dviss1 said:
I didn't disagree with the trade. I was just sad to see him go and it was Cronin's bitch ass who did it. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
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Which would you rather have, Nurk or Toumani?
 
dviss1 said:
I didn't disagree with the trade. I was just sad to see him go and it was Cronin's bitch ass who did it. These things aren't mutually exclusive.
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If we’re gonna talk about b**** a** dudes, I’d like to begin the conversation with the guy who you’re so sad we parted with. His face would appear under that term in brittanica.
 
Foxx said:
If we’re gonna talk about b**** a** dudes, I’d like to begin the conversation with the guy who you’re so sad we parted with. His face would appear under that term in brittanica.
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To each his own. You don't hurt me by talking shit about Nurk. I think coaching and the way he was used ruined him tbh.
 
I’ve been thinking about this and I don’t think the front office wants a top 3 pick. The pressure is too high, the max contract extensions are too expensive. We do a lot better in the 6-11 range; almost all of our biggest successes have come in the lower half of the top ten.
 
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Everything Beagle said:
I’ve been thinking about this and I don’t think the front office wants a top 3 pick. The pressure is too high, the max contract extensions are too expensive. We do a lot better in the 6-11 range; almost all of our biggest successes have come in the lower half of the top ten.
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I don't know.... I think they might be looking to trade the pick.
 
Everything Beagle said:
I’ve been thinking about this and I don’t think the front office wants a top 3 pick. The pressure is too high, the max contract extensions are too expensive. We do a lot better in the 6-11 range; almost all of our biggest successes have come in the lower half of the top ten.
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This makes sense to me assuming that they think that there is no realistic shot of getting a top-3 pick at this point. They probably have scouted some guys they like at later picks who can be had at lower cost.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Hard to say.... do you think they believe they have their franchise player?
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My guess is they think they have three possible franchise players, and don’t want another top guy who will command a bigger max extension to keep beyond their fourth year (? my contract knowledge is a bit rusty).

It’s kind of a moneyball lite thing, or a “we get all our starters from the third round” NFL equivalent. Portland is trying to maximize possibility while managing potential future costs. The last thing they want is too much talent that might not all work together when the payday comes. Do you pay a load of money to see if they gel? Or do you go after a lower ceiling guy who might play better with a chip on his shoulder to earn the payday?

On the plus side, this is long term thinking and if the FO is doing this thinking, we’re not leaving Portland anytime soon.
 
Everything Beagle said:
My guess is they think they have three possible franchise players, and don’t want another top guy who will command a bigger max extension to keep beyond their fourth year (? my contract knowledge is a bit rusty).

It’s kind of a moneyball lite thing, or a “we get all our starters from the third round” NFL equivalent. Portland is trying to maximize possibility while managing potential future costs. The last thing they want is too much talent that might not all work together when the payday comes. Do you pay a load of money to see if they gel? Or do you go after a lower ceiling guy who might play better with a chip on his shoulder to earn the payday?

On the plus side, this is long term thinking and if the FO is doing this thinking, we’re not leaving Portland anytime soon.
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Yeah the problem is that the NBA is very different from MLB or NFL. I don't think moneyball works as well here. Very very very few teams ever win a title without a top 10 player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah the problem is that the NBA is very different from MLB or NFL. I don't think moneyball works as well here. Very very very few teams ever win a title without a top 10 player.
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Yeah it would be really tough given the collective bargaining agreement. I could see a team winning it all with let's say the 16th through 24th best players in the league as their nine man rotation but most likely the guys just outside of all nba are still all going to have max contracts... just not supermax. That might be hard for a team to assemble and then maybe harder to pay.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Yeah the problem is that the NBA is very different from MLB or NFL. I don't think moneyball works as well here. Very very very few teams ever win a title without a top 10 player.
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Moneyball was never all about winning a title though; it was about Most Butts In Seats for the Least Personnel Spend. It happened to win and that's why it got famous, but it's only about the money ultimately. In baseball, the playoffs are why the stadiums are so big. With basketball, 82 sellouts are the goal. a Great team get that but good teams do also. The goal for this team isn't the chamionship. It should be about making an entertaining team, which needs to be at least good while young. But for the next probably 5 years, they know a championship isn't even on the table.
 
Everything Beagle said:
Moneyball was never all about winning a title though; it was about Most Butts In Seats for the Least Personnel Spend. It happened to win and that's why it got famous, but it's only about the money ultimately. In baseball, the playoffs are why the stadiums are so big. With basketball, 82 sellouts are the goal. a Great team get that but good teams do also. The goal for this team isn't the chamionship. It should be about making an entertaining team, which needs to be at least good while young. But for the next probably 5 years, they know a championship isn't even on the table.
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Depressing
 
Everything Beagle said:
Moneyball was never all about winning a title though; it was about Most Butts In Seats for the Least Personnel Spend. It happened to win and that's why it got famous, but it's only about the money ultimately. In baseball, the playoffs are why the stadiums are so big. With basketball, 82 sellouts are the goal. a Great team get that but good teams do also. The goal for this team isn't the chamionship. It should be about making an entertaining team, which needs to be at least good while young. But for the next probably 5 years, they know a championship isn't even on the table.
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Sounds like the perfect scanario for baseball to PDX.
 
This team could being realistic can prolly only move up to 7 at best and Toronto is 5 games or so ahead of them for that spot and Blazers play them 2 times so the mission is simple.

LOSE LOSE and LOSE specially to the Raptors if they cannot do this then Billups , Cronin and the rest of the front office are CLOWNS . I am trying to be nice but if they somehow cannot do what they have mastered the past 2 or so seasons I swear to god I am going to go off on the front office and such. I am sick and tired of the ineptitude of this front office and at this point I do not even care who is at fault ( Cronin , Jody Billups Etc ) but I swear if the Blazers miss out on the 7 spot both Sleepy Joe Jackass and Billups should be fired. -- PERIOD
 
If young guys are winning then that’s the way it goes. Last game against the Knicks was a prime example. No Grant or Ayton, and Ant was a non factor. But they almost won. You can’t ask guys to miss shots.
 
Ripcity4life77 said:
This team could being realistic can prolly only move up to 7 at best and Toronto is 5 games or so ahead of them for that spot and Blazers play them 2 times so the mission is simple.

LOSE LOSE and LOSE specially to the Raptors if they cannot do this then Billups , Cronin and the rest of the front office are CLOWNS . I am trying to be nice but if they somehow cannot do what they have mastered the past 2 or so seasons I swear to god I am going to go off on the front office and such. I am sick and tired of the ineptitude of this front office and at this point I do not even care who is at fault ( Cronin , Jody Billups Etc ) but I swear if the Blazers miss out on the 7 spot both Sleepy Joe Jackass and Billups should be fired. -- PERIOD
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They are already clowns. You can't force the young guys to lose.

Played vets way too much. The respect that referees give to veterans alone probably gave us an extra three or four wins. Not to mention veterans are typically more consistent than young guys. That was probably another three or four wins.
 
So, the Spurs shut De'Aaron Fox down for pinkie surgery. Given their history with draft dark magic, I fully expect that they will welcome Cooper Flagg to their ranks next fall. After that, does it really matter what the Blazers do?
 
e_blazer said:
So, the Spurs shut De'Aaron Fox down for pinkie surgery. Given their history with draft dark magic, I fully expect that they will welcome Cooper Flagg to their ranks next fall. After that, does it really matter what the Blazers do?
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We've said this a million times.

Dame to the Bucks makes the Bucks the favorites to win a championship.

Durant to the Suns makes the Suns the favorites to win a championship.

Zion to the Pelicans will turn the Pelicans around.

Nothing is guaranteed.
 
AmirIcon said:
We've said this a million times.

Dame to the Bucks makes the Bucks the favorites to win a championship.

Durant to the Suns makes the Suns the favorites to win a championship.

Zion to the Pelicans will turn the Pelicans around.

Nothing is guaranteed.
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Do jokes always go whizzing over your head?
 
you cannot force the young guys to lose -- WTF are you talking about cause yes you can.

Let them play with no restrictions for a half ( pray they do not blow the other team out ) then start sitting players or just bring in Grant , Thybulle -- I would say Ant but he can still have moments of red hot shooting.

and this would prolly be a sure handed loss -- period -- geez stop it and just ride the tank train.
 
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