Politics Turning GA, NC, NV, and/or PA into victory (Biden vs Trump, 2020 election!)

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Using your analogy, What alternative, short of changing the channel does the guy on the couch have?

By his analogy, when the management / owner of a team is bad. Fans should just continue to pour money, resources, time, in it like nothing is wrong here were good. Cause you know positive reinforcement that their suckiness is ok, will certainly spurn changes amongst the management and owner's actions.

 

[CupWizier]

Continuing to support the sucky teams is useful though.

So you only root for a team if they do good? If the Blazers are playing poorly you bail on them then? You do know what kind of fans they are called don't you?

 

[barfo]

Trump isn't an authoritarian, he may want to be but he isn't. It's kinda funny that many of the people saying he is an authoritarian are upset when it comes to COVID and such that he hasn't put forth more authoritarian approaches to lockdowns, masks and such. People calling him an authoritarian I'm sorry but that just proves how little history they know about actual authoritarians and the power they wielded. Trump again may want that power but he certainly doesn't have it.

I agree; I should have said wannabe authoritarian.

I see little reason to look at the Republicans and Democrats, their candidates, their politics, and think wow the problems they've made, they're also the ones who are going to fix them. Cause that's definitely not insanity to keep voting for the same people over and over and expect different / better results this next round...

It's not insanity to pick the best of your only two options. It is insanity to think that refusing to choose between your only two options is going to somehow be better than either option.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

I agree; I should have said wannabe authoritarian.



It's not insanity to pick the best of your only two options. It is insanity to think that refusing to choose between your only two options is going to somehow be better than either option.

barfo

They're the 'only' two options because people have been suppressed, and bullied into that thinking. They really aren't the only two options. I admire the parties dedication to beating everyone into submission though, it appears to have worked.

 

[barfo]

Using your analogy, What alternative, short of changing the channel does the guy on the couch have?

He could get his lard ass up off the couch and try out for a team.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

He could get his lard ass up off the couch and try out for a team.

barfo

Okay, but what if he doesn't want to be part of either of the only two team choices because they both suck and they scare tactic the public into thinking they are the only choice?

Okay, they can start their own team. Okay. 500 political par... sorry NFL teams later and......

Id rather turn my back on the insanity than try to join it.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

He could get his lard ass up off the couch and try out for a team.

barfo

That's the point. Moderates just need to move out of the way and let the two gangs beat each other up. Why try out for the two teams that don't actually want you for anything then their own power, they don't want your ideas they just want you to conform to their gang's creed. It's so ironic you came back to the conclusion that really the answer for libertarians and moderates is to just pick one of the rival gangs to play for.

 

[barfo]

They're the 'only' two options because people have been suppressed, and bullied into that thinking. They really aren't the only two options. I admire the parties dedication to beating everyone into submission though, it appears to have worked.

People have not been suppressed or bullied continuously for 170 years. The US system of government lends itself to a two-party system, even though it doesn't explicitly call for exactly two parties.

barfo

 

[riverman]

Everybody knows the two party partisan divorce court is not working for America or it's infrastructure....it's working for greed...the vote is not about that...it's about damage control more than partisan loyalty.a whole lot of republicans are not voting for Trump this time ... you might not like the coach but you might choose one who can build a staff that works well and doesn't lie to the players as much or milk the fans by tanking and blowing up the team and trading the best players whenever they ask a question.........fact is Trump can't lead a democracy. It's not a question anymore....choices...leadership requires the ability to listen and trust in the agencies that keep us from danger....I'm not going to tolerate a pay for play president and that's what Trump is trying to be although he can't pull off the presidential part

 

[barfo]

That's the point. Moderates just need to move out of the way and let the two gangs beat each other up. Why try out for the two teams that don't actually want you for anything then their own power, they don't want your ideas they just want you to conform to their gang's creed. It's so ironic you came back to the conclusion that really the answer for libertarians and moderates is to just pick one of the rival gangs to play for.

Libertarians can do whatever they want, no one cares.

Moderates will mostly vote D in this election, because the D candidate is moderate and the R candidate is not; but maybe next time they'll vote R, depending on which way the wind blows.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

People have not been suppressed or bullied continuously for 170 years. The US system of government lends itself to a two-party system, even though it doesn't explicitly call for exactly two parties.

barfo

Yeah they have, maybe not 170 years but definitely the last 50 or so and it gets worse all the time. All the shaming / bullying democrats have done to people who didn't vote for Hillary in 2016. The 24 hour news cycle that pushes the two candidates as the only two options. The court's and laws and fund-raising impeding third parties from even really getting started. The rules are all slanted for the republicans and democrats to keep their power. Oh and republicans democrats didn't even want minorities or women to vote for a long time.

 

[barfo]

Id rather turn my back on the insanity than try to join it.

To the extent you can live your life without worrying about what the federal government does, that's a great option.

I think most conservatives think the federal government has much more influence in their lives than it actually does.

It doesn't affect my life much at all; but I like politics so I'm engaged anyway.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Libertarians can do whatever they want, no one cares.

Moderates will mostly vote D in this election, because the D candidate is moderate and the R candidate is not; but maybe next time they'll vote R, depending on which way the wind blows.

barfo

I still think Trump will win, and I'm not cheering for either. I know we could go over all the polls, but their are polls at this point that show just about any numbers you want from different sources. I've seen all over the place. I think Moderates will vote R this round, but who know's we'll see.

 

[CupWizier]

People have not been suppressed or bullied continuously for 170 years. The US system of government lends itself to a two-party system, even though it doesn't explicitly call for exactly two parties.

barfo

Naw. the whole world sucks so we should just move to another planet. I love millennials and their way of thinking (I have 2 of them). It's all the older generations fault. They'll figure it out when they are the elders.

 

[barfo]

Yeah they have, maybe not 170 years but definitely the last 50 or so and it gets worse all the time. All the shaming / bullying democrats have done to people who didn't vote for Hillary in 2016.

Those people deserve it. Trump was a horrible, stupid, foreseeable mistake.

The 24 hour news cycle that pushes the two candidates as the only two options.

They are the only two options.

The court's and laws and fund-raising impeding third parties from even really getting started. The rules are all slanted for the republicans and democrats to keep their power. Oh and republicans democrats didn't even want minorities or women to vote for a long time.

Politicians tend to reflect the public opinion rather than go against it. It's not just the politicians that were sexist and racist. It was the majority of the citizens too.

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

I still think Trump will win, and I'm not cheering for either. I know we could go over all the polls, but their are polls at this point that show just about any numbers you want from different sources. I've seen all over the place. I think Moderates will vote R this round, but who know's we'll see.

Are these the secret trump polls he has his own people showing him now so as not to upset him? There are plenty of legit polls and they aren't painting a pretty picture for trump right now,

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Those people deserve it. Trump was a horrible, stupid, foreseeable mistake.



They are the only two options.



Politicians tend to reflect the public opinion rather than go against it. It's not just the politicians that were sexist and racist. It was the majority of the citizens too.

barfo

You know, no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it doesn't make it the truth.
Yup all those libertarians and green party folks who would've voted for Democrat. It's all their fault that the DNC ran Hillary who was incredibly unpopular anywhere but the coasts.

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Are these the secret trump polls he has his own people showing him now so as not to upset him? There are plenty of legit polls and they aren't painting a pretty picture for trump right now,

https://projects.fivethirtyeight.com/trump-approval-ratings/

There are plenty of legit polls that showed similar results last time too. Lots of other polls you wouldn't consider legit, that got it closer though, that are also pretty close to what they were at last too.

 

[barfo]

I still think Trump will win, and I'm not cheering for either. I know we could go over all the polls, but their are polls at this point that show just about any numbers you want from different sources. I've seen all over the place. I think Moderates will vote R this round, but who know's we'll see.

The polls are actually pretty consistently horrible for Trump, but it is the case that anything could happen in the next 90 days to change people's minds. So yes, we'll see.

barfo

 

[barfo]

You know, no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it doesn't make it the truth.
Yup all those libertarians and green party folks who would've voted for Democrat. It's all their fault that the DNC ran Hillary who was incredibly unpopular anywhere but the coasts.

Trump was pretty unpopular in certain circles too, and yet the number of people who voted libertarian or green or whatever was pretty minuscule. It'll be even smaller this time around. So yeah, there are only two choices, even though there will be more names on the ballot than that.

barfo

 

[Orion Bailey]

Trump was pretty unpopular in certain circles too, and yet the number of people who voted libertarian or green or whatever was pretty minuscule. It'll be even smaller this time around. So yeah, there are only two choices, even though there will be more names on the ballot than that.

barfo

Only because people like you allow it to be by continually voting party line.

 

[riverman]

Oh and republicans democrats didn't even want minorities or women to vote for a long time.

The democratic party has brought both a black two term president to current politics...and nominated the first female presidential candidate and it looks like now they're gearing up for a cabinet with a VP and many positions of authority to women ...several of them black women. I'd say things have changed from when women and blacks couldn't vote...it's Trump that wants to send us back to the Jim Crow era....great again? Hell no....Trump has been a major setback for civil rights..wouldn't even attend John Lewis' funeral. That tells you something about the partisan divide in 2020

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Trump was pretty unpopular in certain circles too, and yet the number of people who voted libertarian or green or whatever was pretty minuscule. It'll be even smaller this time around. So yeah, there are only two choices, even though there will be more names on the ballot than that.

barfo

Yes but I've heard so many times that Libertarians and the Green party is why Hillary lost. So 'minuscule' is apparently enough for Democrats to complain about it.

 

[barfo]

Only because people like you allow it to be by continually voting party line.

Sure. What are you going to do about it? Nothing? Thought so.

Certainly no one is going to bother to create a third party with compelling candidates and robust fundraising. That's a LOT of work, and what would the payoff be? It's easier to change one of the two major parties from within.

We've had two parties for 170 years or so, but they haven't been the same two parties. The names have stayed the same, but faces have changed quite a bit.

Which leads us back to there being only two choices.

barfo

 

[TorturedBlazerFan]

Trump was pretty unpopular in certain circles too, and yet the number of people who voted libertarian or green or whatever was pretty minuscule. It'll be even smaller this time around. So yeah, there are only two choices, even though there will be more names on the ballot than that.

barfo

Also it'll be even smaller this time around... I wonder why that is? Oh, cause of the bullying, and suppression. Telling people their only choices are the 'two' if you don't vote for one of the two, it's a wasted vote so they might as well stay home. Telling people if they don't pick one of the two, then politically their voice doesn't deserve to be heard. Yup, that sounds like voter intimidation to me, if you aren't voting how we tell you, you can vote then you don't get a say! Full circle back to the two rival gangs fighting for power and will do anything to silence a third gang trying to show up by stopping them before they get big enough to matter. Sounds like we agree. The only difference is you have found quarter with one of the gangs.

 

[riverman]

Yes but I've heard so many times that Libertarians and the Green party is why Hillary lost. So 'minuscule' is apparently enough for Democrats to complain about it.

Hillary won the popular vote....I voted Libertarian last time and it wouldn't affect the outcome in Oregon...plenty of people complain about the elections and candidates and lack of access to other parties but that doesn't mean shit today...unless you choose to be apolitical which is fine. If you're going to talk about complaining election results don't forget the hanging chads that gave Bush a win....parity

 

[barfo]

Yes but I've heard so many times that Libertarians and the Green party is why Hillary lost. So 'minuscule' is apparently enough for Democrats to complain about it.

Democrats, being more-or-less human, complain about shit just like republicans and like people who fantasize that there could a third party somehow.

barfo

 

[CupWizier]

You know, no matter how many times you repeat a lie, it doesn't make it the truth.
Yup all those libertarians and green party folks who would've voted for Democrat. It's all their fault that the DNC ran Hillary who was incredibly unpopular anywhere but the coasts.

she was so unpopular that she beat trump by more then 3 million votes.

I have a question for you tbf. Let's go over 3 scenarios trump has done.

1) Do you think trump handled the corona virus
a) very poor
b) poor
c) neither good or bad
d) good
c) very good

Would you trust Biden or trump to handle another situation similar to the corona virus? (please don;t cop out with the "neither" response as it's one or the other)

 

[riverman]

Only because people like you allow it to be by continually voting party line.

nobody has ever bestowed that kind of power on barfo.....single handedly allowing partisan loyalty....nah....that's a stretch

 

[Minstrel]

My experience has been that developers like BFS because they like options. Unfortunately, what I have learned from working with UX designers is that when it comes to large populations - limiting choices (DFS) usually works better - which explains why curated solutions seem to be more popular with large populations - people just do not want to go through the entire process of choosing from so many options.

Not to geek it up, but as a UX designer, this actually tends to be an interesting design call. You're right that most people tend to be overwhelmed by a lot of opening options, but they also tend to be overwhelmed by, say, a few menu choices that go a mile deep. Which was what some UX designers tried for a while...limiting the options in a menu, but making each drop-down really long.

So ultimately, you end up having to strike a balance--and how many top-level options versus how much depth is good tends to depend on what your site or app is doing and what types of people use it. Sometimes you need actual UI testing with users to figure out the right balance and sometimes the right decision is to use multiple affordances--some menus with a manageable number of choices in each and maybe another type of mechanic, like swipes or hotkeys. Obviously, you can overdo affordances too, but multiple ways to generate options can sometimes be easier for users if each one is manageable.