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andalusian said:
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/28/896132054/biden-details-proposal-to-advance-racial-equity-in-america

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Biden apologized hours after the exchange with prominent radio host Charlamagne Tha God on the popular radio show “The Breakfast Club,” saying he “shouldn’t have been so cavalier” or “such a wise guy” in a call with the U.S. Black Chamber of Commerce.

“No one should have to vote for any party based on their race or religion or background,” Biden said.

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Biden apologized hours after the exchange with prominent radio host Charlamagne Tha God on the popular radio show “The Breakfast Club,” saying he “shouldn’t have been so cavalier” or “such a wise guy” in a call with the U.S. Black Chamber of Commerce.

“No one should have to vote for any party based on their race or religion or background,” Biden said.

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Good candidate? Yes. Want him as the nominee - given a blank check, he was not my first choice, given the limitations of having to remove an evil incompetent man from office that poses the biggest thread to democracy in the USA since maybe the McCarthy days - certainly want him as a nominee.



Your opinion, but I think it is just a wrong one. If you are looking at it in classic algorithms look - it is a BFS vs. DFS - at the end of the day, I believe that DFS makes more sense when you have so many options and need to whittle them down before the general population gets to make a choice.
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Isn't DFS almost always the choice to use when thinking of long term implications and decision making?
I mean I get what you're saying but BFS usually assumes the right choice is closer to the root, which may be the case in politics I'm not sure. I'd have to think about it.

Edit: Sorry I thought you said BFS makes more sense.

Edit: Still need to think about it though there are pro's and cons to both.
 
ehizzy3 said:
Dictator Don is mad that Nevada is trying to make it EASIER for their citizens to vote
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yep....and the ironic thing is he's actually explicitly admitting the obvious in his tantrums: that being that his only chance in November, and the only chance for the R's in November, is to massively suppress votes. If everybody who wants to vote and legally can vote is allowed to vote, trump would suffer one of the worst losses in history, and the R's would be the minority party in congress and most states

* "It's incredible that the president of the United States keeps openly saying that the only way that he and his political allies can keep their grip on power is by making it harder for large swaths of the population to vote," said Robert Maguire, research director at Citizens for Responsibility and Ethics in Washington.

Trump's tweet Monday was just his latest baseless attack on vote-by-mail expansion, which the president has repeatedly claimed—without evidence—will lead to a surge in voter fraud and cost him the presidential race.

Contradicting the narrative pushed by the president and the GOP, Nevada's Republican Secretary of State Barbara Cegavske told state lawmakers last week that her office is not aware of any voter fraud from the state's June primary, which was conducted largely by mail.

William McCurdy II, chair of the Nevada State Democratic Party, said in a statement Sunday that Trump's "protestations against mail-in voting represent an utterly hypocritical attempt to deny Nevadans the same rights" he and members of his administration have exercised repeatedly in past elections." *

https://crooksandliars.com/2020/08/trump-nevada-has-made-it-impossible-gop
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Isn't DFS almost always the choice to use when thinking of long term implications and decision making?
I mean I get what you're saying but BFS usually assumes the right choice is closer to the root, which may be the case in politics I'm not sure. I'd have to think about it.

Edit: Sorry I thought you said BFS makes more sense.

Edit: Still need to think about it though there are pro's and cons to both.
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My experience has been that developers like BFS because they like options. Unfortunately, what I have learned from working with UX designers is that when it comes to large populations - limiting choices (DFS) usually works better - which explains why curated solutions seem to be more popular with large populations - people just do not want to go through the entire process of choosing from so many options.

Now, we can have a discussion if the number of choices should be 2 (currently), 3, 4 or 5 - but at the end of the day, I suspect that anything more than that will not be beneficial at all for such a large population. When you need to handle large populations - limiting the choices seem to bring a higher percentage of "satisfied" customers (and elections are basically a study in compromises).
 
HailBlazers said:
At his age? BS. The only signs he's shown are that of a sock puppet.
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Ummm.....you DO realize that Donny is now 74 years old (only 3+ years younger than Biden)? And if reelected President Chump will be a year older at the end of his term than Biden is now? I’m not sure that age and mental capacity are particular hills the Republican Party wants to die on. But then, hypocrisy has never stopped them before......
 
ehizzy3 said:
Dictator Don is mad that Nevada is trying to make it EASIER for their citizens to vote
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You mean make it easier for non-citizens? And dead people and dogs and any other thing with a name that can be scraggled onto a piece of paper?
 
andalusian said:
https://www.npr.org/2020/07/28/896132054/biden-details-proposal-to-advance-racial-equity-in-america

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Biden apologized hours after the exchange with prominent radio host Charlamagne Tha God on the popular radio show “The Breakfast Club,” saying he “shouldn’t have been so cavalier” or “such a wise guy” in a call with the U.S. Black Chamber of Commerce.

“No one should have to vote for any party based on their race or religion or background,” Biden said.

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Biden apologized hours after the exchange with prominent radio host Charlamagne Tha God on the popular radio show “The Breakfast Club,” saying he “shouldn’t have been so cavalier” or “such a wise guy” in a call with the U.S. Black Chamber of Commerce.

“No one should have to vote for any party based on their race or religion or background,” Biden said.

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Good candidate? Yes. Want him as the nominee - given a blank check, he was not my first choice, given the limitations of having to remove an evil incompetent man from office that poses the biggest thread to democracy in the USA since maybe the McCarthy days - certainly want him as a nominee.



Your opinion, but I think it is just a wrong one. If you are looking at it in classic algorithms look - it is a BFS vs. DFS - at the end of the day, I believe that DFS makes more sense when you have so many options and need to whittle them down before the general population gets to make a choice.
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For one, I mean Biden looked right in the camera and said what he said... I mean it's possible he didn't believe that, but was he apologizing because of personal growth in the 4-5 hours between comments or because of political backlash... That's probably subjective. I am not his judge. I will say I think his history has quite a bit of negative's both racial and other-wise is he better than Trump? I am no fan of either.

If Trump a politician now for 3.5 years is such a threat to 'democracy' than democracy sucks just flat out. It also shows that the life-time politicians who had every chance for the last 40ish years had an opportunity to fix the loopholes that were left open and they didn't. Which is part of my point, Biden is part of a group who have had high stations of 'power' in US politics for years and in his time democracy, has gone down the gutter. What did the likes of McConnel, Graham, Pelosi, Biden, Schumer and there are others do that really make any of us think wow we need more years of that! It's gone so well that's why there are protests/riots every day. That's why mental health has been on the decline (suicide per 100k has gone up every year for like 30 years now I believe). They are all part of a huge issue we have in this country, it's easy to place all the blame at the feet of Trump, but they are all a threat to our democracy with their backroom deals, their crony capitalism, there politics and lack of results except for their and their friend's pocketbooks.

Sure a lot of problems are all hitting an apex during Trump's tenure, but these are almost ALL problems that have existed for years have gotten worse for years, and will continue to get worse once he's out. We have no reason to think otherwise. Since all these people have been in power for years and it's continued to get worse before Trump even showed up.

Our politicians are so hard to keep track of... Even Bernie and while I disagree with Bernie on some issues he changed many of his stances from 2015-16 to this current election, and he's supposed to be the good consistent guy.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
For one, I mean Biden looked right in the camera and said what he said... I mean it's possible he didn't believe that, but was he apologizing because of personal growth in the 4-5 hours between comments or because of political backlash... That's probably subjective. I am not his judge. I will say I think his history has quite a bit of negative's both racial and other-wise is he better than Trump? I am no fan of either.
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I'm no fan of either cancer or a paper cut, but if given a choice between the two, I think I could manage to make a rational decision.

If Trump a politician now for 3.5 years is such a threat to 'democracy' than democracy sucks just flat out.
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Yeah, Trump being an authoritarian proves we need an authoritarian?

It also shows that the life-time politicians who had every chance for the last 40ish years had an opportunity to fix the loopholes that were left open and they didn't. Which is part of my point, Biden is part of a group who have had high stations of 'power' in US politics for years and in his time democracy, has gone down the gutter.
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Because no one imagined the public would turn out to be quite this stupid. Definitely a failure of imagination, which happens a lot (see, e.g., 9/11).

What did the likes of McConnel, Graham, Pelosi, Biden, Schumer and there are others do that really make any of us think wow we need more years of that! It's gone so well that's why there are protests/riots every day. That's why mental health has been on the decline (suicide per 100k has gone up every year for like 30 years now I believe). They are all part of a huge issue we have in this country, it's easy to place all the blame at the feet of Trump, but they are all a threat to our democracy with their backroom deals, their crony capitalism, there politics and lack of results except for their and their friend's pocketbooks.

Sure a lot of problems are all hitting an apex during Trump's tenure, but these are almost ALL problems that have existed for years have gotten worse for years, and will continue to get worse once he's out. We have no reason to think otherwise. Since all these people have been in power for years and it's continued to get worse before Trump even showed up.
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I don't think you are correct about that, but without doubt Trump has made the problems worse.

Our politicians are so hard to keep track of... Even Bernie and while I disagree with Bernie on some issues he changed many of his stances from 2015-16 to this current election, and he's supposed to be the good consistent guy.
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Probably you changed your mind about some things in the last 4 years too, haven't you?

barfo
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Ummm.....you DO realize that Donny is now 74 years old (only 3+ years younger than Biden)? And if reelected President Chump will be a year older at the end of his term than Biden is now? I’m not sure that age and mental capacity are particular hills the Republican Party wants to die on. But then, hypocrisy has never stopped them before......
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Please do not conflate me with the republican party. They left me two decades ago. What gets me is people calling out hypocrisy, and then claiming Biden is a respectable candidate.

Former White House Director of Speechwriting under Bush Michael Gerson says that political hypocrisy is "the conscious use of a mask to fool the public and gain political benefit." Biden to a T.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
For one, I mean Biden looked right in the camera and said what he said... I mean it's possible he didn't believe that, but was he apologizing because of personal growth in the 4-5 hours between comments or because of political backlash... That's probably subjective. I am not his judge. I will say I think his history has quite a bit of negative's both racial and other-wise is he better than Trump? I am no fan of either.
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He apologized for making a wise crack - I honestly do not believe that it was anything more than a miscalculation what might offend some people. You have the right to think otherwise - but I doubt Obama would have chosen him as a VP candidate, grown closer to him and continued to support him if he believed he was truly a racist.

If Trump a politician now for 3.5 years is such a threat to 'democracy' than democracy sucks just flat out.
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Nope. It shows what happens when old paradigms of elections and decency need to be updated. I honestly do not believe in the 'burn it to the ground' approach.

I am not going to go over the rest of your arguments - because they fall in the same category - that if it fails and all the problems have not been solved so far - it means we need to burn it to the ground and start fresh - which I believe is a very naive approach - I will go back to my argument that the system as a whole is fine - but needs to be tweaked - and if there is anything we can thank Trump for is that he showed us the cracks in some very old institutions that need to be addressed.

I do not believe that such a study in compromise for such a large population is ever going to be changed quickly - but I reject that idea that no progress have been made in the last 4o or 50 years, and just because we managed to elect the person who has shown he can zero on the weaknesses in the system to advance his own agenda ahead of trying to better the country - does not mean we have to throw the baby with the bathwater.
 
HailBlazers said:
Please do not conflate me with the republican party. They left me two decades ago. What gets me is people calling out hypocrisy, and then claiming Biden is a respectable candidate.

Former White House Director of Speechwriting under Bush Michael Gerson says that political hypocrisy is "the conscious use of a mask to fool the public and gain political benefit." Biden to a T.
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Yes but............Trumps refusal to use a mask (both literally and figuratively) is more frightening than the mask Biden is wearing. At least more me personally. And I will also swim in the Biden swamp over the Trump swamp any day of the week and twice on Sundays. All that said, we are so very fucked either way......I just like a little lubricant along the way at my age.......Go Joe!!
 
wizenheimer said:
trump is the fucking president who got 60 million votes and still has wide support. He controls all the levers of power of the federal government. He's the leader of the republican party and will be their nominee again. Conservatives own his shit because they put him in power and have supported his agenda for 45 months. especially packing the courts. And for most of them, including some in this forum, they'd give him 4 more years of the same total corruption
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This post is saying conservatives who voted for Trump own his shit.

Road Ratt said:
You vote/show support, for a candidate. They should hold the morals you yourself stand for, if they don't you shouldn't have ever voted for them (Unless holding your nose to vote). What your candidate does while in office should reflect what you yourself believe in. Therefore your morals are directly tied to theirs. As I see it. (I am not certain how a person can vote for someone and then turnaround and say "I take no responsibility for what that candidate does".)

If I may ask, How can they not be?
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This post is saying what your candidate does in office should reflect what you believe in ( as if we have control of them once in office)

barfo said:
Seems pretty simple to me.

If you vote for someone, you own that vote. Whatever sort of a shitheel your candidate turns out to be is on you. You don't get to say 'oh, I didn't know he was a racist' or 'I knew he was racist but that's not why I voted for him'. On the flip side, whatever good they do is to your credit.

If you don't vote, or lodge a protest vote, then whoever wins, whatever bad the winner does is on you for not doing your part to prevent it. But you don't get to claim any credit for any good they might do.

If you vote for a candidate that has a chance but loses, you have every right to disclaim all responsibility for the winner.

I've been in each of the three categories in my life.

barfo
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This post says no matter what the candidate turns into you own it. its on you.

wizenheimer said:
great post and exactly right.
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This post was agreeing to the above post.

CupWizier said:
Oh please. Now you're being ridiculous with this notion that someone said that you have to agree with everything a president does if you voted for them. I seriously hope you really don't believe that cause otherwise, no reason to take the discussion any further.
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This post is saying the posts above it don't exist or something?

CupWizier said:
Sorry man, but that is one of the dumbest things I have seen stated in this forum. I already told you on a couple occasions that I don't buy into that philosophy and I have never seen it as a majority viewpoint. Good luck with that and have a nice day.
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This post is saying that the statements made above are ridiculous to have been brought up, but yet this poster will not inform those above who share his ideals, that they are wrong. Instead continues to go after the person who made the statement people in this forum say you are responsible for the candidate you vote for.


Well....the double standards never end around here... but hey, tow the party(echo chamber) line as to fit in with other irrational posts......
 
Orion Bailey said:
This post is saying conservatives who voted for Trump own his shit.



This post is saying what your candidate does in office should reflect what you believe in ( as if we have control of them once in office)



This post says no matter what the candidate turns into you own it. its on you.



This post was agreeing to the above post.



This post is saying the posts above it don't exist or something?



This post is saying that the statements made above are ridiculous to have been brought up, but yet this poster will not inform those above who share his ideals, that they are wrong. Instead continues to go after the person who made the statement people in this forum say you are responsible for the candidate you vote for.


Well....the double standards never end around here... but hey, tow the party(echo chamber) line as to fit in with other irrational posts......
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OB, you might not realize this, but Cup, Wiz, Road Ratt, and I are all different people? We are allowed to have views that differ from each other.

barfo
 
Orion Bailey said:
This post is saying what your candidate does in office should reflect what you believe in ( as if we have control of them once in office)

Well....the double standards never end around here... but hey, tow the party(echo chamber) line as to fit in with other irrational posts......
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You vote for corruption, racism, etc., you should own up to that vote/support. That goes for both parties. Period.

(If by chance you eventually see the err of your ways and drop support for that candidate. You should own that decision too.)

I already went over this yesterday, so I will leave it here as my point has been made. :smiley-love:
 
barfo said:
OB, you might not realize this, but Cup, Wiz, Road Ratt, and I are all different people? We are allowed to have views that differ from each other.

barfo
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Barfo, I'm not sure if you realize this, but that's completely irrelevant to the point of the post at hand, that Cup was telling Tortured that it's ridiculous and people are not saying you need to own your vote and people are responsible for who they vote in.

I'm all for having differing views. Its you and some others that have been advocating otherwise.
 
UncleCliffy'sDaddy said:
Yes but............Trumps refusal to use a mask (both literally and figuratively) is more frightening than the mask Biden is wearing. At least more me personally. And I will also swim in the Biden swamp over the Trump swamp any day of the week and twice on Sundays. All that said, we are so very fucked either way......I just like a little lubricant along the way at my age.......Go Joe!!
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Yup...
 
barfo said:
I'm no fan of either cancer or a paper cut, but if given a choice between the two, I think I could manage to make a rational decision.



Yeah, Trump being an authoritarian proves we need an authoritarian?



Because no one imagined the public would turn out to be quite this stupid. Definitely a failure of imagination, which happens a lot (see, e.g., 9/11).



I don't think you are correct about that, but without doubt Trump has made the problems worse.



Probably you changed your mind about some things in the last 4 years too, haven't you?

barfo
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Trump isn't an authoritarian, he may want to be but he isn't. It's kinda funny that many of the people saying he is an authoritarian are upset when it comes to COVID and such that he hasn't put forth more authoritarian approaches to lockdowns, masks and such. People calling him an authoritarian I'm sorry but that just proves how little history they know about actual authoritarians and the power they wielded. Trump again may want that power but he certainly doesn't have it.

I did not change my mind from open borders are bad. To oh crap I need immigration for votes.
Or, "Millionaires, Billionaires are bad" to oh crap I'm a millionaire, "Billionaires are bad". For the most part, though I actually like Bernie even if I disagree with him on some things.

I see little reason to look at the Republicans and Democrats, their candidates, their politics, and think wow the problems they've made, they're also the ones who are going to fix them. Cause that's definitely not insanity to keep voting for the same people over and over and expect different / better results this next round...

This is a comedy sketch btw before get too caught up in which way the comedian leans politically...
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Rather be up on the fence then down in the mud with either of the major political parties but you have fun flinging it over the fence. Either way we all get dirty.
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Never been dirty yet and I have been voting for over 45 years.
 
CupWizier said:
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Reminds me though my favorite independent / libertarian YouTuber keeps talking about the US at this point is just two rival gangs going at it on who's going to get more power. Both try to leverage moderates to gain themselves power, but moderates need to just move out of the way of the two gangs fighting it out. That's really all the two political parties have turned into. Two gangs, both corrupt, both seek foreign assistance, both are in it for power, they don't care about anyone not in their gang, they both have factions in there ranks, but at the end of the day, they know who feeds them. They both get mad at people who won't pick a side in their fight. He started saying that like a year ago and more and more, I think he's right. Basically the mafia vs cartels on a grander scale. Tribalism is a wonderful thing.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Reminds me though my favorite independent / libertarian YouTuber keeps talking about the US at this point is just two rival gangs going at it on who's going to get more power. Both try to leverage moderates to gain themselves power, but moderates need to just move out of the way of the two gangs fighting it out. That's really all the two political parties have turned into. Two gangs, both corrupt, both seek foreign assistance, both are in it for power, they don't care about anyone not in their gang, they both have factions in there ranks, but at the end of the day, they know who feeds them. They both get mad at people who won't pick a side in their fight. He started saying that like a year ago and more and more, I think he's right. Basically the mafia vs cartels on a grander scale. Tribalism is a wonderful thing.
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Your favorite youtuber sounds like a guy sitting on a couch criticizing the effort of a couple of NFL teams playing on the TV.
Yes, it's legitimate to say both teams suck. It's not particularly useful, though.

barfo
 
barfo said:
Your favorite youtuber sounds like a guy sitting on a couch criticizing the effort of a couple of NFL teams playing on the TV.
Yes, it's legitimate to say both teams suck. It's not particularly useful, though.

barfo
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Continuing to support the sucky teams is useful though.
 
barfo said:
Your favorite youtuber sounds like a guy sitting on a couch criticizing the effort of a couple of NFL teams playing on the TV.
Yes, it's legitimate to say both teams suck. It's not particularly useful, though.

barfo
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Using your analogy, What alternative, short of changing the channel does the guy on the couch have?
 
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