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TorturedBlazerFan said:
There are plenty of legit polls that showed similar results last time too. Lots of other polls you wouldn't consider legit, that got it closer though, that are also pretty close to what they were at last too.
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last time means nothing and a lot of states were very close. Different time and different opponent and most of the polls were close. in their votes. You believe whatever polls you want as polls are only a guideline anyway but I would rather be on Bidens end of the polls than trumps end of the polls and the reason why he is so up in arms.
 
CupWizier said:
she was so unpopular that she beat trump by more then 3 million votes.

I have a question for you tbf. Let's go over 3 scenarios trump has done.

1) Do you think trump handled the corona virus
a) very poor
b) poor
c) neither good or bad
d) good
c) very good

Would you trust Biden or trump to handle another situation similar to the corona virus? (please don;t cop out with the "neither" response as it's one or the other)
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She was unpopular in everywhere but the coasts. California has a coastline that's where most of those 3million votes came from...
1.) I think the entire government Trump on down, local and everything handled it poorly, democrats and republicans.
2.) lol, I don't have to pick one. That's been my point from the get-go, too many republicans and democrats want to make you play this game where you have to pick which gang you want to be in.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
She was unpopular in everywhere but the coasts. California has a coastline that's where most of those 3million votes came from...
1.) I think the entire government Trump on down, local and everything handled it poorly, democrats and republicans.
2.) lol, I don't have to pick one. That's been my point from the get-go, too many republicans and democrats want to make you play this game where you have to pick which gang you want to be in.
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Are you okay with trumps handling of the Corona virus? YES or NO? Quit playing the fence sitting game of well both sides did lousy.
 
Minstrel said:
Not to geek it up, but as a UX designer, this actually tends to be an interesting design call. You're right that most people tend to be overwhelmed by a lot of opening options, but they also tend to be overwhelmed by, say, a few menu choices that go a mile deep. Which was what some UX designers tried for a while...limiting the options in a menu, but making each drop-down really long.

So ultimately, you end up having to strike a balance--and how many top-level options versus how much depth is good tends to depend on what your site or app is doing and what types of people use it. Sometimes you need actual UI testing with users to figure out the right balance and sometimes the right decision is to use multiple affordances--some menus with a manageable number of choices in each and maybe another type of mechanic, like swipes or hotkeys. Obviously, you can overdo affordances too, but multiple ways to generate options can sometimes be easier for users if each one is manageable.
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UX development drives me crazy... I get stuck doing a lot of it, even though I mainly build tools and stuff, but it's a small team... Anyways the worst part of the job is the user feedback. "There's too much data on the screen", "Not enough data", "Then like 20 people all want different things". UX Design has to be the hardest developer job ever lol.
 
CupWizier said:
Are you okay with trumps handling of the Corona virus? YES or NO? Quit playing the fence sitting game of well both sides did lousy.
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Let me ask you this, do you think US Politics happens in a vacuum and Trump is the only one who 'handled' the corona virus? Yes or No?
is that the game we're playing? Attribute Trump these god-like authoritarian powers, where everything can be thrown at his feet. So it absolves the rest of our government from the crap they pulled.
I think it was handled poorly by the government, Trumps included in that. So is congress, so is the house, so are the governors, so are the mayors.
 
Trump didn't handle the virus so no...he couldn't be held responsible for handling it at all...he's responsible for politicizing it and playing it down and actually lying about it to the public..he was too busy defending the confederate flag to handle it.
 
Minstrel said:
Not to geek it up, but as a UX designer, this actually tends to be an interesting design call. You're right that most people tend to be overwhelmed by a lot of opening options, but they also tend to be overwhelmed by, say, a few menu choices that go a mile deep. Which was what some UX designers tried for a while...limiting the options in a menu, but making each drop-down really long.

So ultimately, you end up having to strike a balance--and how many top-level options versus how much depth is good tends to depend on what your site or app is doing and what types of people use it. Sometimes you need actual UI testing with users to figure out the right balance and sometimes the right decision is to use multiple affordances--some menus with a manageable number of choices in each and maybe another type of mechanic, like swipes or hotkeys. Obviously, you can overdo affordances too, but multiple ways to generate options can sometimes be easier for users if each one is manageable.
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I believe that the reason the 2 (or limited number of parties) works is because it tries to strike this kind of balance - Instead of having the users face 20+ options (like places like Italy, Israel do) - you have the options curated by the parties - where people can choose to participate earlier to curate these options (via campaigning and later primaries) - until there are a manageable number of options for the general population - if this number is around 2 (the US, UK) or 5 (Germany) is another question - but my point is that the idea that there is no choice because we curate the number of significant options down to 2 (or 3 as sort of happened when Perot ran) for the general election is wrong. There are a lot more options - they just go through a thinner funnel with a longer neck for the general election instead of a wide one with a short neck.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
1.) I think the entire government Trump on down, local and everything handled it poorly, democrats and republicans.
So... which part of that is hard to understand...?
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It is as if some people don't read your posts. Then ask you questions in which you already provided answers.

:biglaugh::bwpopcorn:
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
1.) I think the entire government Trump on down, local and everything handled it poorly, democrats and republicans.
So... which part of that is hard to understand...?
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The part where I didn't ask if anyone else was responsible. I was simply asking if you feel trump handled the pandemic properly. Quit trying to deflect as you are now using trump tactics. You just simply want to put blame on everyone. Everyone isn't president of the USA are they? There is only one president and he's the leader of this country so it's his leadership that is needed during times like this right?
 
Hobbesarable said:
It is as if some people don't read your posts. Then ask you questions in which you already provided answers.

:biglaugh::bwpopcorn:
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Did I ask him who was all responsible? NO
Did I ask him how he felt trump handled the pandemic? YES
 
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CupWizier said:
Did I ask him who was all responsible? NO
Did I ask him how he felt trump handled the pandemic? YES
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I once said you should be able to control yourself.

I, along with others, know that is not possible.
 
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Hobbesarable said:
I once said you should be able to control yourself.

I, along with others, know that is not possible.
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When are you going to control yourself as all I ever see you do is eat popcorn in the forum and add little if anything and yes, others have said the same thing to me about you as well.
 
CupWizier said:
When are you going to control yourself as all I ever see you do is eat popcorn in the forum and add little if anything and yes, others have said the same thing to me about you as well.
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Haha.

This coming from you is hilarious.

I am so deep in your mind you responded to Lanny about me when I did not post in the forum for weeks.

Chew on that for a while or you can stalk @Orion Bailey more and claim you are not.
 
Hobbesarable said:
Haha.

This coming from you is hilarious.
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LMAO!

and a typical from you. Try engaging in a discussion for once.

Are you a trump supporter as well? Care to answer the same question I asked tbf about if you feel trump handled the pandemic properly. Put the popcorn down for a few minutes and give it a shot. :bored:
 
CupWizier said:
The part where I didn't ask if anyone else was responsible. I was simply asking if you feel trump handled the pandemic properly. Quit trying to deflect as you are now using trump tactics. You just simply want to put blame on everyone. Everyone isn't president of the USA are they? There is only one president and he's the leader of this country so it's his leadership that is needed during times like this right?
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Did some of the democratic mayors and governors properly or did all of them? Don’t deflect to Trump, we are only Democrats in this scenario
 
CupWizier said:
LMAO!

and a typical from you. Try engaging in a discussion for once.

Are you a trump supporter as well? Care to answer the same question I asked tbf about if you feel trump handled the pandemic properly. Put the popcorn down for a few minutes and give it a shot. :bored:
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I am not a Trump supporter.

But I guess you are fumbling around for something negative to cling to.

That is your usual agenda.
 
Hobbesarable said:
I am not a Trump supporter.

But I guess you are fumbling around for something negative to cling to.

That is your usual agenda.
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It was simply a question. No reason to get all worked up.

Buh bye!
 
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CupWizier said:
The part where I didn't ask if anyone else was responsible. I was simply asking if you feel trump handled the pandemic properly. Quit trying to deflect as you are now using trump tactics. You just simply want to put blame on everyone. Everyone isn't president of the USA are they? There is only one president and he's the leader of this country so it's his leadership that is needed during times like this right?
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So you didnt ask. I can answer however I want. Just because its your game of blame Trump for everything doesnt mean I have to abide by your rules. It’s not deflection it’s the truth, it’s my answer to the question.
 
andalusian said:
I believe that the reason the 2 (or limited number of parties) works is because it tries to strike this kind of balance - Instead of having the users face 20+ options (like places like Italy, Israel do) - you have the options curated by the parties - where people can choose to participate earlier to curate these options (via campaigning and later primaries) - until there are a manageable number of options for the general population - if this number is around 2 (the US, UK) or 5 (Germany) is another question - but my point is that the idea that there is no choice because we curate the number of significant options down to 2 (or 3 as sort of happened when Perot ran) for the general election is wrong. There are a lot more options - they just go through a thinner funnel with a longer neck for the general election instead of a wide one with a short neck.
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So my problem is where the two party system has ended up in the US not that there are two major parties. 1 political party, 20 political parties, any amount in between will have some problems. I think the biggest issues in America are crony capitalism, divide and conquer tactics of the citizens, there are other major issues no doubt. Racism and bigotry and such, but even those I think are made worse by the the issues above. I think what Democrats and Republicans have done is hyper polarized everyone, and every subject. They willfully pour billions into propaganda with the sole intent of creating division. The parties both take part in crony capitalism. Politics have always been nasty as far as human history goes back. However I dont personally believe we have very many good politicians on either side of the aisle and I dont particularly believe that one of those groups is going to do anything that makes my life better, that makes my families life better, my community stronger. With a lot of pressure the ruling class might throw commoners a bone once in a while but thats all I think we will ever get. Theyve been bought off.

That can happen with 2,3,4, etc. I understand that, but it has clearly happened, with the republicans and democrats. They are not for the people they are for themselves.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
So you didnt ask. I can answer however I want. Just because its your game of blame Trump for everything doesnt mean I have to abide by your rules. It’s not deflection it’s the truth, it’s my answer to the question.
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FALSE: I blame trump for what he is suppose to be responsible for.
 
CupWizier said:
FALSE: I blame trump for what he is suppose to be responsible for.
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Presidents have some power. States have some power. Congress and the House have power. That's the way the United States is set up. The Federal Government is not supposed to act like a dictatorship to individual states. Yeah, Trump messed up in several ways. However, the entirety of the COVID response is not on Trump. He is not solely responsible or supposed to be responsible for every governor's decision, the decisions the house and senate made or didn't make. It's ironic that most people seem to think Trump should act like an authoritarian, and yet also criticize him because he wants to have authoritarian like power, which he does not have.
Edit: He is not solely responsible for it becoming a political issue either. It took like 2 weeks of the 'crisis' in America for the house and senate to start playing stupid political games.
Edit2 : If I thought Trump was solely responsible for the United States, or for the COVID response I'd give him the blame for it. I don't believe he's entirely responsible for it. So I don't. I think they all share blame for what's gone on.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Did some of the democratic mayors and governors properly or did all of them? Don’t deflect to Trump, we are only Democrats in this scenario
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I'll bite as this is a very simple answer that you should be able to understand.

It is the responsibility of the president to ensure Americans are safe. He should have formulated a coordinated effort to make sure ALL states had adequate supplies rather than lying about that he was left with an empty cupboard and no guidelines. Both turned out to be blatant lies. It would have been next to impossible for the Obama administration to have a supply of test kits for covid 19 as it didn't exist at the time. Also, he continued to downplay the severity of the virus thus falsely giving people a false sense of security. Also, most states that opened early never met the task force guidelines and zoomed past stage one and into stage 2 with some even going into stage 3 without ever meeting stage one. We should have also had a universal strategy when it came to testing along with contact tracing to be able to combat the virus, but trump was more worried about the economy than the safety of people.

That should be enough for you to chew on for a bit.
 
CupWizier said:
I'll bite as this is a very simple answer that you should be able to understand.

It is the responsibility of the president to ensure Americans are safe. He should have formulated a coordinated effort to make sure ALL states had adequate supplies rather than lying about that he was left with an empty cupboard and no guidelines. Both turned out to be blatant lies. It would have been next to impossible for the Obama administration to have a supply of test kits for covid 19 as it didn't exist at the time. Also, he continued to downplay the severity of the virus thus falsely giving people a false sense of security. Also, most states that opened early never met the task force guidelines and zoomed past stage one and into stage 2 with some even going into stage 3 without ever meeting stage one. We should have also had a universal strategy when it came to testing along with contact tracing to be able to combat the virus, but trump was more worried about the economy than the safety of people.

That should be enough for you to chew on for a bit.
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This is actually false.
That is not the responsibility of the president.
https://www.whitehouse.gov/about-th...dent is both the,the laws created by Congress.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Presidents have some power. States have some power. Congress and the House have power. That's the way the United States is set up. The Federal Government is not supposed to act like a dictatorship to individual states. Yeah, Trump messed up in several ways. However, the entirety of the COVID response is not on Trump. He is not solely responsible or supposed to be responsible for every governor's decision, the decisions the house and senate made or didn't make. It's ironic that most people seem to think Trump should act like an authoritarian, and yet also criticize him because he wants to have authoritarian like power, which he does not have.
Edit: He is not solely responsible for it becoming a political issue either. It took like 2 weeks of the 'crisis' in America for the house and senate to start playing stupid political games.
Edit2 : If I thought Trump was solely responsible for the United States, or for the COVID response I'd give him the blame for it. I don't believe he's entirely responsible for it. So I don't. I think they all share blame for what's gone on.
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I'll let this clown explain it to you



this is the type of administration we are dealing with and why very little gets done in a crisis.
 
Pandemic Revives States' Rights Debate
The coronavirus pandemic has exposed tensions between the federal government and the states. Governors have exercised emergency powers to try to stop the spread of the virus even as President Trump has insisted they keep their economies open.

Here & Now's Jeremy Hobson speaks with Julian Zelizer, professor of history and public affairs at Princeton University.

This segment aired on June 16, 2020.

https://www.wbur.org/hereandnow/2020/06/16/pandemic-states-rights-debate

 
CupWizier said:
I'll let this clown explain it to you



this is the type of administration we are dealing with and why very little gets done in a crisis.
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Cause we have two rival gangs with incompetent leadership. I'm aware of that. That's why I think people shouldn't just vote for who the GOP and DNC gives them every four years. Cause we keep getting bad presidents.
My point at the beginning of this was that Biden really sucks too, and since this has entirely moved on to just Trump sucks! I guess we're just conceding the point now.
 
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