Twitter rumor - Blazers to deal F Gerald Wallace for picks

[JfizzleBlazer]

Where is he going to go JFizzle? What "Big Market" team has enough cap space to grab him?

And the Clippers nixed the deal because of the amount NO wanted BTW...

Yeah, and even without gordon the deal the clips offered was way better than the crap you suggested.

A big market would figure it out by years end.

 

[magnifier661]

Yeah, and even without gordon the deal the clips offered was way better than the crap you suggested.

A big market would figure it out by years end.

So would you be happy with the deal if CP3 guaranteed he would stay? Maybe a sign and trade?

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Also, they would probably be in the lotto as well.

The they was mistaken as meaning the draft picks.

It is a common mistake for people to think that making a team horrible to give them better lotto chances makes a trade better. New Orleans being awful would be entirely separate.

If all it would take for Orlando to do was give the Hornets two unprotected picks, Jameer Nelson, and other cap relief then CP3 would be Florida bound.

Atleast put Batum in your scenario. Somebody might believe his supposed endless potential adds up to CP3 value.

 

[BrianFromWA]

I disagree with the bold part. It isn't like Wallace is 40. He's 29.

The rest of your statement has nothing to do with the probability of drafting well. That goes to my other point of the low probability of getting a superstar here with our extra cash.

Tell me again where Wallace was drafted?
And I submit that, given 4 picks in the Top 25, there is a very high probability that you will be a better team over the 4 years of those 4 picks under contract than the next 18 months of a maybe-slightly but still past-his-prime Crash. For the same cost.

 

[Rhal]

Wallace is one of my favorite blazers and id hate to see him moved esp for picks that wont be lottery based. I would also rather have wallace then crawford and landry although to add a few picks and both of those players would be hard to pass up but because im such a fan of wallace id still pass unless we deal other guys and just rebuiild.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

So would you be happy with the deal if CP3 guaranteed he would stay? Maybe a sign and trade?

He wont stay so its a moot point. He has said he would stay with ny, or either la team. No other teams.

 

[HailBlazers]

Twitter Rumor

Man twitter has become the Online Tabloid these days.

 

[RR7]

Tell me again where Wallace was drafted?
And I submit that, given 4 picks in the Top 25, there is a very high probability that you will be a better team over the 4 years of those 4 picks under contract than the next 18 months of a maybe-slightly but still past-his-prime Crash. For the same cost.

4 picks in the top 25? Where/how?

 

[magnifier661]

The they was mistaken as meaning the draft picks.

It is a common mistake for people to think that making a team horrible to give them better lotto chances makes a trade better. New Orleans being awful would be entirely separate.

If all it would take for Orlando to do was give the Hornets two unprotected picks, Jameer Nelson, and other cap relief then CP3 would be Florida bound.

But unfortunately for Orlando, they don't have that ability. They don't have contracts that are expiring. Camby and Felton will both be expiring. That is around 20 mil off their books. Then you give them another flexibility piece in a 7.5-.8.5 mil TE for a sign and trade for Landry. Also, giving them two first rounders, with the good chance their team could get a very high draft pick; makes this very appeasing to another buyer.

You are looking only at talent and not at this as a business standpoint. You are giving another owner a blank canvas with low salary, a lot of first rounders and a ton of cap space.

 

[magnifier661]

He wont stay so its a moot point. He has said he would stay with ny, or either la team. No other teams.

Because no other teams were in the hunt. Again, I asked you what "High Market Team" has that flexibility now? You saying they can just make it happen is even more outrageous than this scenario.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

You are looking only at talent and not at this as a business standpoint. You are giving another owner a blank canvas with low salary, a lot of first rounders and a ton of cap space.

Good luck convincing Stern of that. No one else is buying it either.

Edited my earlier post, but atleast put Batum in your trade scenarios. Someone might be swayed by his supposed endless potential.

 

[RR7]

The Clippers offered up Kaman(big expiring) Aminu, Bledsoe and Minny's unprotected pick.
You want to offer 2 picks we get in a Wallace deal(let's say NJ's pick and Houston's lotto protected pick that turns into a 2nd rounder in 4 years), Camby and Felton. those two deals are not equal. Ignoring the fact that with continued pushing, they might be able to get Gordon in there.

 

[Nikolokolus]

I disagree with the bold part. It isn't like Wallace is 40. He's 29.

The rest of your statement has nothing to do with the probability of drafting well. That goes to my other point of the low probability of getting a superstar here with our extra cash.

He's an old 29 if that makes sense.

 

[RR7]

Because no other teams were in the hunt. Again, I asked you what "High Market Team" has that flexibility now? You saying they can just make it happen is even more outrageous than this scenario.

NY can amnesty Amare next season and make it happen.

 

[Brock]

John Hollinger @johnhollinger
BTW Blazer fans this is likely much ado about nothing. If DH is actually traded for that pile, Chris Paul's going Braveheart on lg office

 

[magnifier661]

NY can amnesty Amare next season and make it happen.

They would never Amnesty Amare.

 

[RR7]

They would never Amnesty Amare.

Paul-Carmelo-Chandler is likely a better pairing than Carmelo-Amare-Chandler.
Regardless, it is a very easy possibility to give them the space to get Paul.
Also, Lakers can send Bynum in a S&T.

 

[HailBlazers]

John Hollinger @johnhollinger
BTW Blazer fans this is likely much ado about nothing. If DH is actually traded for that pile, Chris Paul's going Braveheart on lg office

Rumors usually are.

 

[BrianFromWA]

John Hollinger @johnhollinger
BTW Blazer fans this is likely much ado about nothing. If DH is actually traded for that pile, Chris Paul's going Braveheart on lg office

Once again, Hollinger with his nose buried in an agent's ass.
"That Pile" doesn't have to be voted on by 29 guys with a $300M investment to recoup asap. "That pile" only needs to be voted on by ORL, NJN and POR...all either big spenders or trying to be.
CP3 overplayed his hand, and all this crap by 'veteran NBA writers' is just grandstanding.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Rumors usually are.

Maybe you should just join the discussions where 1/2 argue we have the greatest roster in NBA history and the other 1/2 argue that we will be in the lottery. Those are so few and far between

 

[magnifier661]

Paul-Carmelo-Chandler is likely a better pairing than Carmelo-Amare-Chandler.
Regardless, it is a very easy possibility to give them the space to get Paul.
Also, Lakers can send Bynum in a S&T.

Lakers wanted Howard... End of story. The deal with NO smelt getting Howard all the way. Once they learned they wouldn't get the cap space or flexibility, they nixed the deal. Everyone and their grandmother all had the idea that Lakers were making these moves to get Howard. Also, trading Bynum for no big in return is a terrible move for them. They would have no one to help down low. That's a bad deal as well.

 

[blazerboy30]

Tell me again where Wallace was drafted?

Do you want to know where Wallace was drafted or a list of players that have been drafted outside of the lottery over the last 10 years that are better than Wallace? Your argument that there is a high probability of drafting an all-star level player in the bottom half of the draft is silly and not worth debating.

And I submit that, given 4 picks in the Top 25, there is a very high probability that you will be a better team over the 4 years of those 4 picks under contract than the next 18 months of a maybe-slightly but still past-his-prime Crash. For the same cost.

You have a few unrealistic assumptions in this single sentence. We wouldn't get 4 picks in the top 25. We may bet 4 picks that are all worse than top 15. That is a big difference.

Also, take a look at our last 4 draft picks. Would you trade all of them together for Wallace? I sure wouldn't. Heck, I wouldn't trade all of our draft picks from the last 4 years for Wallace.

Nolan Smith (21)
Jon Diebler (51)
Elliot Williams (22)
Armon Johnson (34)
Victor Claver (22)
Dante Cunningham (33)
Jon Brockman (38)
Patrick Mills (55)
Brandon Rush (13)
Joey Dorsey (33)
Omer Asik (36)
Mike Taylor (55)
Greg Oden (1)
Josh McRoberts (37)
Taurean Green (52)

Even if you want to limit the picks to first-rounders, over the last 4 years you're left with:
Nolan Smith
Elliot Williams
Victor Claver
Brandon Rush

Not a chance I would trade those 4 players for Wallace right now.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Because no other teams were in the hunt. Again, I asked you what "High Market Team" has that flexibility now? You saying they can just make it happen is even more outrageous than this scenario.

I dont have to give you a team right now, it isnt next season. Teams can make things happen throughout the year to grab him next offseason. Im sure the clippers could figure it out.

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

NY can amnesty Amare next season and make it happen.

Not since they already used it on Billups in order to be able to sign Chandler.

 

[magnifier661]

I dont have to give you a team right now, it isnt next season. Teams can make things happen throughout the year to grab him next offseason. Im sure the clippers could figure it out.

Yes out of all the teams, arguably the Clippers have the best opportunity to free-up cap. But they just took on Billups; whom they can't trade. Also, if the wait is until summer, they may get a very high pick with the Minny deal that could net them a younger PG for way less money.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Great, trade Wallace now for draft picks over the years. maybe in 3-4 years when the Blazers start looking like a playoff team again, they can trade LA (who will start to be on the down side of his carrer) for more future draft picks.

If I'm LA, I'm pissed they trade Wallace for draft picks.

 

[magnifier661]

Not since they already used it on Billups in order to be able to sign Chandler.

Oh crap, totally forgot about that. Yep NY has no chance in freeing up money. They are over cap and will be for quite some time.

 

[RR7]

Not since they already used it on Billups in order to be able to sign Chandler.

hahaha, oops. sorry, my bad.

 

[magnifier661]

Great, trade Wallace now for draft picks over the years. maybe in 3-4 years when the Blazers start looking like a playoff team again, they can trade LA (who will start to be on the down side of his carrer) for more future draft picks.

If I'm LA, I'm pissed they trade Wallace for draft picks.

That's why I think they are hardly done. This totally smells like Brass is making a run for CP3. It may not happen, but it sure looks like it.

 

[JfizzleBlazer]

Yes out of all the teams, arguably the Clippers have the best opportunity to free-up cap. But they just took on Billups; whom they can't trade. Also, if the wait is until summer, they may get a very high pick with the Minny deal that could net them a younger PG for way less money.

A young pg doesnt let you have an opportunity to compete for a title and convince griffin to stay like cp3. Billups is two million to them, im sure they will manage.