Two Blazer Power Forwards better than LaMarcus

[Denny Crane]

Sheed wasn't either.

Sure he was.

 

[magnifier661]

Sure he was.

Okay fine. Sheed was my favorite player (Aldridge used to be my first until he bitched out), so I won't even argue this point.

 

[riverman]

Sheed wasn't either.

I'd say in Detroit he was as close to a star as anyone else on that team

 

[magnifier661]

I'd say in Detroit he was as close to a star as anyone else on that team

I would argue that. I think Sheed was the #1 option in the 1999-00 Blazers more than any other team he played on. That's when he really came into his own.

 

[H.C.]

Sheed was a complementary player(exactly what Sheed wanted to be) that elevated the pistons due to the amazing talent Sheed had.
However he was not "the guy".. Nor was he really asked to be "the guy" with the Pistons.
Sheed wasn't the first or second option offensively. He also wasn't the main defensive big guy. That goes to Ben Wallace.
Also Prince at the time was considered an excellent young two way player.
Eerily similar to Aldridge going to the Spurs. The only difference is Sheed was traded away, and Aldridge left in FA.
Both Aldridge and Sheed for whatever reason didn't bring what they could have to Portland.
I would argue that Aldridge going to the Spurs means he has no issues w/ being a super role player, just like Sheed was on the Pistons.

Parker > Billups, Manu > Hamilton, Leonard > Prince, Popovich > Brown, Duncan >>> Wallace

The point I was making seems to have eluded you.

 

[KingSpeed]

I'd include Brandon Roy.

I went back and forth on it and Game 4 was amazing but he never won a playoff series.

 

[stampedehero]

Jeff McGinnis

With the noodle hair.

 

[stampedehero]

I'd include Brandon Roy.

All with ya on Kersey and Buck By far the 88-92 team was my favorite. .

 

[PtldPlatypus]

The point I was making seems to have eluded you.

The flaw in the comparison is that LA is joining a team that made the finals in 2013 and won the 'ship in 2014, with a coach who has been there for almost two decades. By contrast, Sheed joined a team just two seasons removed from the lottery, with a coach who had been there less than a year. He didn't latch on to a squad that had already been there; he was the final piece to get them there.

 

[riverman]

The flaw in the comparison is that LA is joining a team that made the finals in 2013 and won the 'ship in 2014, with a coach who has been there for almost two decades. By contrast, Sheed joined a team just two seasons removed from the lottery, with a coach who had been there less than a year. He didn't latch on to a squad that had already been there; he was the final piece to get them there.

BINGO!! We have a winner here!

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

BINGO!! We have a winner here!

Took you guys long enough.....

 

[BlazerWookee]

I went back and forth on it and Game 4 was amazing but he never won a playoff series.

No, he just dragged a team that nobody thought had any business even hoping to win 30 games into the playoffs two years ahead of schedule.

 

[Orion Bailey]

No, he just dragged a team that nobody thought had any business even hoping to win 30 games into the playoffs two years ahead of schedule.

Kinda like what Dame is gonna do this coming season!
Come on Eric, get with the program!

 

[H.C.]

The flaw in the comparison is that LA is joining a team that made the finals in 2013 and won the 'ship in 2014, with a coach who has been there for almost two decades. By contrast, Sheed joined a team just two seasons removed from the lottery, with a coach who had been there less than a year. He didn't latch on to a squad that had already been there; he was the final piece to get them there.

None of the "past championship/lotto experience really matters".
The bottom line is Sheed was a glorified role player with the Pistons, that put them over the top.
And I'd say nine chances out of ten if the Spurs go onto win it all next year. Aldridge will be a glorified role player as well who puts them over the top.
I mean afterall..... The Spurs lost to a broken CP3 last year, after being up 3-2.
Very similar roles Sheed and Aldridge will have played for their respective new teams. Some nights they'll look dominate, most nights they'll be just another weapon.
Unless anyone thinks Sheed actually was the #1 or even #2 option for the Pistons during their run? Was he the man defensively?
Ben Wallance - Tim Duncan
Billups - Parker
Rip - Manu
Prince - Leonard
Antonio - Diaw
Wallace - Aldridge
Hunter - Mills
Brown - Pop

I'm not trying to say any of the pistons players/coaches were better or worse than their counterparts of today. But what is obvious to the naked eye.
Similar situations/teams for both of the former Blazers.

 

[blue9]

The bottom line is Sheed was a glorified role player with the Pistons, that put them over the top.

That whole team was a bunch of glorified role players. Every single one of them was basically a "Wes Matthews" at their position.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I don't know how anyone who watched Sheed do things few people on Earth could do would say LMA and fadeaway 20 footers is better.

I don't watch Nascar, who is the best driver?

The guy who wins on a given day or the best driver?

I could never prove it but I think prime Rasheed Wallace goes to the finals on this team 2 years ago.

You think Nic Batum is going to take games/series off with Sheed around? Ha fucking ha.

 

[oldfisherman]

The first game Sheed played for the Blazers, my jaw dropped from what I saw in him as a BB player. He was a man among boys, even as a rookie. He could have been one of the best players of all time, if he applied his abilities more.


As good as Sheeds career was, I consider him an underachiever.

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Just saw this on Reddit:

Chauncey Billups: “I would egg on referees to give Rasheed a technical. Because until he got a tech, he was one of the most unfocused players I ever played with. But once he got a technical, I don’t care what coach he’s playin for, I’m sayin, throw it to ‘Sheed. Ain’t no more play calls."

 

[Blazer509]

When are we going to stop acting like LaMarcus Aldridge isn't good?

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

When are we going to stop acting like LaMarcus Aldridge isn't good?

Probably the best PF in the league. But then again, his place on the Blazers is ditching us while we were getting better and making a push to get into relevancy, so he fucked us over, so he isn't good as a Blazer.

 

[Boob-No-More]

When I saw the title of this thread, I expected to see a photo of Luke and Buck.

As others have pointed out, Sheed went deeper in the playoffs than Aldridge, but both Luke and Buck went further than Sheed. Luke and Buck were both leaders, and Brian Grant was much more of a leader on those WCF teams than Sheed. Was it Sheed that went head-to-head against Karl Malone and refused to back down? No, it was Brian Grant.

Praising Sheed as a "leader" because he knew when to defer to his teammates is bullshit. Does a leader get ejected/suspended when his team needs him? Does a leader throw a towel in the face of a teammate? Sheed may have been a lot of things, but leader was never one of them. He also wasn't a "coach on the floor" Everyone has mentioned his title with DET, but has everyone forgotten the following season when he left Robery Horry wide open for the game winning 3 - immediately after a timeout where his coach screamed at everyone in the huddle at least 6 times, do not leave your man to double team, know where Horry is, no threes. So, what does Sheed do, he leaves Horry wide open at the 3-point line to double Ginobili. Dumbest basketball play I've ever seen due to the situation (up 2 with the game on the line) and who he was guarding (Big Shot Bob). Was he also a leader a year later when he guaranteed the Pistons would beat the Cavs and compared the Cavs coming back from down 0-2 to take a 3-2 lead in the series to the sun shining on a dog's ass. Talk about bulletin board material. Great player, yes. Leader, hell no.

And forget Z-Bo. He doesn't belong anywhere on the list of top Blazer power forwards. He had even less post season success than Aldridge. Everyone remembers that breakout series against Dallas, but we lost that series and Zach never made t back to the playoffs with the Blazers (or the Knicks or the Clippers). Do people here not remember how bad those Zach led teams were? After that Dallas series, Zach never played on another winning team in Portland. He was the "leader" of the 27-win 2004-05 team and that horrible 21-win 2005-06 team. He sucked on the Blazers, he sucked on the Knicks and he sucked on the Clippers. After that DAL series, his teams missed the playoffs 8 years in a row. It wasn't until he'd almost worked his way out of the league when he arrived in MEM that he finally got it and became a good all around player and good teammate. Zach in MEM may be a legitimate comparison to Aldridge. Zach in POR is not.

BNM