Two important HIV breakthroughs, one local.

[PapaG]

Screw you, mediocre man. Screw you from here to fucking eternity.

Predictably, here is where the thread went after westnob's post.

 

[PapaG]

Oh, and I did not see where he was in any way deserving of crandc's hatefullness.

He wasn't, IMO.

If anyone should be called out for being ridiculous in this thread, it's westnob.

 

[PapaG]

While I'm delighted they may be close to finding a cure/vaccine for HIV/AIDS, a lot of the people with that horrible disease brought it on themselves. I'd be happier to read we were closer on cancer, Parkinsons, Alzheimers, etc.

I would too. The amount of money spent on AIDS for the relatively small number of victims over the last 35 years is embarrassing considering the amount spent on cancer alone.

Cancer doesn't discriminate in its victims, though. AIDS is mostly a behavior-based disease that has "protected classes" in its majority demographic.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Two big HIV stories, one from my work, OHSU.

OHSU story
OHSU AIDS vaccine candidate appears to completely clear virus from the body

I read the OSHU article via Reddit, seems like OHSU has been getting a lot of national and international attention lately. Hopefully this leads not only to a cure but also to new industries and jobs for the Portland area.

 

[PapaG]

I read the OSHU article via Reddit, seems like OHSU has been getting a lot of national and international attention lately. Hopefully this leads not only to a cure but also to new industries and jobs for the Portland area.

The way for new industries and jobs in Portland with this news is to get more people infected with AIDS and dependent financially on the medicine. If everybody gets AIDS, imagine the financial explosion here!

Orgies start at Sly's house ASAP, no protection allowed.

 

[Natebishop3]

I would too. The amount of money spent on AIDS for the relatively small number of victims over the last 35 years is embarrassing considering the amount spent on cancer alone.

Cancer doesn't discriminate in its victims, though. AIDS is mostly a behavior-based disease that has "protected classes" in its majority demographic.

I fear it will be cancer that gets us all at one point or another. Just found out today that the mother of a close friend was diagnosed with terminal liver cancer.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I fear it will be cancer that gets us all at one point or another. Just found out today that the mother of a close friend was diagnosed with terminal liver cancer.

spot on. if you live long enough, that is what the odds say will kill us all

 

[SlyPokerDog]

The way for new industries and jobs in Portland with this news is to get more people infected with AIDS and dependent financially on the medicine. If everybody gets AIDS, imagine the financial explosion here!

Orgies start at Sly's house ASAP, no protection allowed.

I thought you wanted more of a science based discussion in this thread?

Anyway, OHSU & PSU are getting ready to open a new research center on the south waterfront. One of the things that this research center will offer is office and lab space for start up biomedical companies. With the above mentioned AIDs research and other recent cancer research breakthroughs hopefully this will help to attract some of the best and brightest to the Portland area.

Also, while I'm not an expert in these areas I'm guessing that an AIDs vaccine could be used outside of Portland. I would rather see a company in Portland manufacture and distribute an AIDS vaccine worldwide instead of your idea of infecting everyone here in Portland with AIDs and only using the vaccine locally.

 

[Natebishop3]

spot on. if you live long enough, that is what the odds say will kill us all

I try not to do anything that will speed the process up, but we don't even know what we do on a day to day that could cause cancer down the road. My dad smoked like a chimney for most of his life. He was diagnosed with lung cancer. Six centimeter tumor in his left lung. Luckily they were able to clear it up, but we have no idea when it could come back. Cancer is the plague of our generation.

 

[MarAzul]

Screw you, mediocre man. Screw you from here to fucking eternity.

Do you also oppose seat belts because people drive too fast? Funny, I don't see you complaining if someone finds treatment for heart disease, oh no, just something you think of as "gay".

I was going to write something thoughtful, but I thought of the people I loved and lost. We lost a whole fucking generation of young men including some of the people I loved most on this crappy planet and you fucking say who cared about a cure, those queers and junkies brought it on themselves.

Fuck you and the horse you rode in on. Mr. Mediocre fucking perfect who no doubt never drove too fast or ate a doughnut.

Hey! Go Girl! But dang don't dump it all on MM, save a little for tomorrow. I may think of something worthy.

 

[PapaG]

I thought you wanted more of a science based discussion in this thread?

Anyway, OHSU & PSU are getting ready to open a new research center on the south waterfront. One of the things that this research center will offer is office and lab space for start up biomedical companies. With the above mentioned AIDs research and other recent cancer research breakthroughs hopefully this will help to attract some of the best and brightest to the Portland area.

Also, while I'm not an expert in these areas I'm guessing that an AIDs vaccine could be used outside of Portland. I would rather see a company in Portland manufacture and distribute an AIDS vaccine worldwide instead of your idea of infecting everyone here in Portland with AIDs and only using the vaccine locally.

Wait, so we're suddenly all wanting even more vaccinations? The OHSU article is vague, too, saying "one" of the causal viruses apparently may be combated in humans. What this means is Big Pharma coming in and funding things.

BTW - pharma doesn't make money on vaccines.

 

[Further]

I would too. The amount of money spent on AIDS for the relatively small number of victims over the last 35 years is embarrassing considering the amount spent on cancer alone.

Cancer doesn't discriminate in its victims, though. AIDS is mostly a behavior-based disease that has "protected classes" in its majority demographic.

Cancer obviously affects more people, but Parkinson's only affects 7 to 10 million worldwide, and 96% are diagnosed from age 50 on. HIV numbers are 25 million dead and 33 million currently have it.

Edit: that means that 8.9million or more people who currently have HIV/AIDS or are not homosexual and do not do intravenous drugs.

Edit#2: but why the fuck don't you care about people dying just because they are gay?

I read the OSHU article via Reddit, seems like OHSU has been getting a lot of national and international attention lately. Hopefully this leads not only to a cure but also to new industries and jobs for the Portland area.

Perhaps out of OHSU, but OHSU is shitting the bed with many of their policies, they are having a very hard time recruliting top scientists to the university. And most scientists there currently believe the quality will continue to drop over the next decade till OHSU becomes a third rate facility. The people in charge are incentivized too strongly towards making short term gains. It's quite sad. That doesn't mean there aren't great scientists now, just that the numbers are dwindling and not being replaced.

 

[PapaG]

Cancer obviously affects more people, but Parkinson's only affects 7 to 10 million worldwide, and 96% are diagnosed from age 50 on. HIV numbers are 25 million dead and 33 million currently have it.


Perhaps out of OHSU, but OHSU is shitting the bed with many of their policies, they are having a very hard time recruliting top scientists to the university. And most scientists there currently believe the quality will continue to drop over the next decade till OHSU becomes a third rate facility. The people in charge are incentivized too strongly towards making short term gains. It's quite sad. That doesn't mean there aren't great scientists now, just that the numbers are dwindling and not being replaced.

An entire continent that is already starving for food is the overwhelming death toll regarding AIDS. Who is going to pay for a vaccine when they can barely get food to live on most years?

 

[SlyPokerDog]

BTW - pharma doesn't make money on vaccines.

I think biomedical research has a greater chance to improve Portland's economy vs the last mayor's agenda of bicycle lanes, streetcars to nowhere and food carts.

 

[Further]

We will, that's better than spending money on bombs.

 

[Denny Crane]

People may not have been around when HIV/AIDS was first encountered in the USA. Nobody knew what it was or how you got it. It appeared to be a disease that might end up killing every single human being on the planet if allowed to spread. People in the medical profession had no clue if they treated someone who had it if they too would get it. For this reason, it was super high priority over other life threatening diseases. It still kills a lot of people worldwide, but not so much in the USA.

From 1987-2002, 6x more people died of breast cancer than died of AIDS. 4x more people died of prostate cancer.

I miss Freddie Mercury's music.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Perhaps out of OHSU, but OHSU is shitting the bed with many of their policies, they are having a very hard time recruliting top scientists to the university. And most scientists there currently believe the quality will continue to drop over the next decade till OHSU becomes a third rate facility. The people in charge are incentivized too strongly towards making short term gains. It's quite sad. That doesn't mean there aren't great scientists now, just that the numbers are dwindling and not being replaced.

Wow, that's fucked up. I thought OHSU had dreams of turning the So-What district into a Biomed business incubator?

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Further..you and crandc are the only ones that are making this a "gay" issue

 

[PapaG]

I think biomedical research has a greater chance to improve Portland's economy vs the last mayor's agenda of bicycle lanes, streetcars to nowhere and food carts.

I think food carts will have a greater impact, and unless Portland offers massive tax breaks, any pharma company would be crazy to set up shop on the south waterfront.

Not that I don't want it to happen, but if you haven't noticed, most large employers are moving out of Multnomah County, and Portland proper, in particular, without major tax breaks.

 

[PapaG]

We will, that's better than spending money on bombs.

Financially, I don't think it is better than making bombs, morality aside.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I think food carts will have a greater impact, and unless Portland offers massive tax breaks, any pharma company would be crazy to set up shop on the south waterfront.

Not that I don't want it to happen, but if you haven't noticed, most large employers are moving out of Multnomah County, and Portland proper, in particular, without major tax breaks.

We don't need tax breaks, we have quality of life things like MAX.

 

[Further]

Further..you and crandc are the only ones that are making this a "gay" issue

When people say its not as important as Parkinson's because its something people bring on themselves, and by far the largest affected group are gay men, isn't that another way of saying people bring it on by being gay? Only 9% are from intravenous drug use so that can't be it.

 

[Further]

Financially, I don't think it is better than making bombs, morality aside.

Financially it's about equal, a company makes it (bombs or vaccine), the US buys it and uses it. Morally one is far greater than the other.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

When people say its not as important as Parkinson's because its something people bring on themselves, and by far the largest affected group are gay men, isn't that another way of saying people bring it on by being gay? Only 9% are from intravenous drug use so that can't be it.

again more bullshit....it is a lifestyle issue

unprotected sex is number one..look at the figures. You dont have to be gay to do that...drugs are what..ah, three? ah, no two...look at the numbers... common stop being the constant protector of all causes and try to be objective

 

[Further]

again more bullshit....it is a lifestyle issue

unprotected sex is number one..look at the figures. You dont have to be gay to do that...drugs are what..ah, three? ah, no two...look at the numbers... common stop being the constant protector of all causes and try to be objective

Perhaps you did not look at it as a gay issue. Yes, this issue can be very emotional if you have known people who died from it and watched them wither away. Perhaps I misread, but I suspect my buttons were also being pushed. If MM didn't look at this as a gay issue, why not be more specific about stating that. Leaving it open sure allows speculation.

 

[Further]

Oh, by the way condoms are only 85% effective against HIV

That seems real low, I'll check another site and edit if I'm wrong.

EDIT, yep, found another link to basically back it saying 87% effective.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3127299.html

 

[DaLincolnJones]

Oh, by the way condoms are only 85% effective against HIV

That seems real low, I'll check another site and edit if I'm wrong.

EDIT, yep, found another link to basically back it saying 87% effective.

http://www.guttmacher.org/pubs/journals/3127299.html

I will take 87% vs zip

and your buttons were pushed by you interjecting your bias upon a post MM made that was not anti gay..

dude I have lost three people to cancer this year...and I will not speak to MMs condition..welcome to real life

again bullshit

 

[Further]

I will take 87% vs zip

and your buttons were pushed by you interjecting your bias upon a post MM made that was not anti gay..

dude I have lost three people to cancer this year...and I will not speak to MMs condition..welcome to real life

again bullshit

I say bullshit too.

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I say bullshit too.

ok

at every turn I have proven you to be in error

show me as they say

 

[DaLincolnJones]

I say bullshit too.

or is this another of your idealistic dance among the flowers waiting for someone else to swoop in and rescue you from your failed reasoning?

I try to give you credit, you work at OHSU and I will champion the work that they do there. They have been great to me..but you make it hard....