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And who knows the Blazers might be able to resign blake or outlaw next year anyways.
 
UPDATE:

via Marc Stein Twitter

STEIN_LINE_HQ Three-way trade possibility in @chadfordinsider piece: Hinrich to LAL; Outlaw/Blake/Juwan Howard/Morrison to CHI; Ty Thomas/Vujacic to POR
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The rich get richer I suppose....*sigh*

Lakers getting Hinrich for Morrison and Vujacic is crazy. Only LA could do that.
 
Driew said:
The rich get richer I suppose....*sigh*

Lakers getting Hinrich for Morrison and Vujacic is crazy. Only LA could do that.
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Not without our help (apparently).
 
Driew said:
The rich get richer I suppose....*sigh*

Lakers getting Hinrich for Morrison and Vujacic is crazy. Only LA could do that.
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I have to agree. Kirk is the best player in the deal and it plugs a needs at PG for them.

It would suck if we helped the Lakers without making them give up more talent.
 
Driew said:
The rich get richer I suppose....*sigh*

Lakers getting Hinrich for Morrison and Vujacic is crazy. Only LA could do that.
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Hinrich's last 3 years he's had PERs of 13.1, 13.9, and a 10.4 this season. For a comparison, Steve Blake has had PERs of 12.0, 14.4, and an 11.4 this season.

I see Hinrich as being vastly overrated.
 
craigehlo said:
I have to agree. Kirk is the best player in the deal and it plugs a needs at PG for them.

It would suck if we helped the Lakers without making them give up more talent.
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Depends on how you define best player. Of all the players in the trade, only Travis Outlaw has had a PER above 15 the past three seasons, and Tyrus Thomas just misses with 14.6, 15.9, and 16.4 this season.

I'd value Thomas as the best player in the deal, at least in terms of what he'll bring to Portland versus what Hinrich will bring to Los Angeles.
 
BGrantFan said:
Hinrich's last 3 years he's had PERs of 13.1, 13.9, and a 10.4 this season. For a comparison, Steve Blake has had PERs of 12.0, 14.4, and an 11.4 this season.

I see Hinrich as being vastly overrated.
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He is also owed 8-9 million through the 2012 season..
 
Could we possibly swing Vujacic for something better or more useful for us? Any ideas out there?

James Jones from Miami (or do they desperately want the cap space of an expiring, this year)
Kurt Thomas and something Milwaukee doesn't want?
Dalembert somehow?

There's gotta be something out there that makes sense. Maybe we want Tyrus to flip him to Minnesota for a contract and the rights to Rubio?

And do you think Howard gets cut and comes back to us if this goes through?
 
shamelessblazer said:
Could we possibly swing Vujacic for something better or more useful for us? Any ideas out there?

James Jones from Miami (or do they desperately want the cap space of an expiring, this year)
Kurt Thomas and something Milwaukee doesn't want?
Dalembert somehow?

There's gotta be something out there that makes sense. Maybe we want Tyrus to flip him to Minnesota for a contract and the rights to Rubio?

And do you think Howard gets cut and comes back to us if this goes through?
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:smack:

If that could be done I think Chicago would do that deal and run a Rubio/Rose backcourt.

Come on, man!
 
shamelessblazer said:
Could we possibly swing Vujacic for something better or more useful for us? Any ideas out there?

James Jones from Miami (or do they desperately want the cap space of an expiring, this year)
Kurt Thomas and something Milwaukee doesn't want?
Dalembert somehow?

There's gotta be something out there that makes sense. Maybe we want Tyrus to flip him to Minnesota for a contract and the rights to Rubio?

And do you think Howard gets cut and comes back to us if this goes through?
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Try to package his expiring this summer in a deal, and if that's not possible, just flat-out renounce him. No sense keeping him around in 2010-11 just to save $5 million in cap space after the season.
 
Fez "The Situation" Bush said:
:smack:

If that could be done I think Chicago would do that deal and run a Rubio/Rose backcourt.

Come on, man!
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Chicago is pretty intent on keeping cap space and won't take back any contracts is my understanding. We could take back a contract Minnesota didn't especially like or something like that. And no chance in hell Rubio/Rose would work, neither can shoot, and both would get posted up quite a bit.

http://games.espn.go.com/nba/tradeMachine?tradeId=yh8sggf

/\ would that really be a bad trade. Minnesota essentially reduces their salarys by seven million next year and gets Tyrus Thomas. They either sell Rubio for seven million, or trade him for Tyrus (while having a chance to audition him). Chicago saves a crapload of money as they only take on expirings, LA gets Hinrich, we get jack but wait for Rubio.
 
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e_blazer said:
Never has a trade deadline passing without the Blazers doing anything sounded so good.
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Maybe KP is just bluffing all of the people that have been hoping to see a trade for the past year; this is sort of like his shot across the bow to get all of them screaming to put the brakes on.
 
I like adding Thomas. I really don't care if Vujacic is on our team. Let him rot. I'd actually rather he rot on our bench so I never have to see him on the floor again. Let him fill the role of Raef. Scrub at large. It would be funny if we ended up with both Aldridge and Thomas though. With that said, we don't give up much and we get a guy with tons of potential. Nice backup power forward. He shouldn't be too expensive this summer either.

I love the idea of getting rid of Blake and Outlaw though. I don't see us signing them this summer so it's all good. We give up three guys who have very little chance of being here next year, and we get a guy who could very easily be a big part of our future. Good deal imo.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I like adding Thomas. I really don't care if Vujacic is on our team. Let him rot. I'd actually rather he rot on our bench so I never have to see him on the floor again. Let him fill the role of Raef. Scrub at large. It would be funny if we ended up with both Aldridge and Thomas though. With that said, we don't give up much and we get a guy with tons of potential. Nice backup power forward. He shouldn't be too expensive this summer either.

I love the idea of getting rid of Blake and Outlaw though. I don't see us signing them this summer so it's all good. We give up three guys who have very little chance of being here next year, and we get a guy who could very easily be a big part of our future. Good deal imo.
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I'm coming around to this way of thinking, but I'm telling you reading some of the posts in here have been brutal; basically everything I see looks like this in my head:

I like adding Thomas. I really don't care if Vujacic is on our team. Let him rot. I'd actually rather he rot on our bench so I never have to see him on the floor again. Let him fill the role of Raef. Scrub at large. It would be funny if we ended up with both Aldridge and Thomas though. With that said, we don't give up much and we get a guy with tons of potential. Nice backup power forward. He shouldn't be too expensive this summer either.

I love the idea of getting rid of Blake and Outlaw though. I don't see us signing them this summer so it's all good. We give up three guys who have very little chance of being here next year, and we get a guy who could very easily be a big part of our future. Good deal imo.
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Nikolokolus said:
I'm coming around to this way of thinking, but I'm telling you reading some of the posts in here have been brutal; basically everything I see looks like this in my head:
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Why the supreme Vujacic hatred? It's not like he's the floppiest guy, the most arrogant guy, the worst player or a Blazers-killer. He seems like a very meh bench player...nothing to get excited about positively or negatively.
 
Minstrel said:
Why the supreme Vujacic hatred? It's not like he's the floppiest guy, the most arrogant guy, the worst player or a Blazers-killer. He seems like a very meh bench player...nothing to get excited about positively or negatively.
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I've already stated earlier, I have no rational reason to hate the guy as much as I do ... but holy shit, do I hate him.
 
Nikolokolus said:
I've already stated earlier, I have no rational reason to hate the guy as much as I do ... but holy shit, do I hate him.
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Trust me, I'm there. I threw up just a little when his name was first mentioned. The guy just gets under my skin. His hair. His celebrations. He's just......... :sigh:
 
BGrantFan said:
Hinrich's last 3 years he's had PERs of 13.1, 13.9, and a 10.4 this season. For a comparison, Steve Blake has had PERs of 12.0, 14.4, and an 11.4 this season.

I see Hinrich as being vastly overrated.
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Well, Derek Fisher's PER this year is 9.3.

Hinrich may not be the best player in the deal, but he's really the most significant upgrade for any of the teams involved. And I think if you put him in the Lakers' system where all he's really asked to do is bring the ball up, play defense and shoot threes, his PER will look a lot better.

That said, I'd be ok with this deal. If I thought we were a contender next year and the Lakers were our biggest impediment, I might think differently.
 
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mook said:
Well, Derek Fisher's PER this year is 9.3.

Hinrich may not be the best player in the deal, but he's really the most significant upgrade for any of the teams involved. And I think if you put him in the Lakers' system where all he's really asked to do is bring the ball up, play defense and shoot threes, his PER will look a lot better.

That said, I'd be ok with this deal. If I thought we were a contender next year and the Lakers were our biggest impediment, I might think differently.
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Hinrich is an OK 3 point shooter, but not anyone who I would want to play the weakside baseline in the triangle. He's certainly an upgrade over Fisher, but I'm not sure who well he fits into the triangle. Of course, I could be completely wrong in thinking this. Hinrich's contract would worry me, however. I also think that Tyrus Thomas adds more to Portland than Hinrich adds to the Lakers, but I'm pretty sure I won't have a lot of company in this opinion. I'd do this trade in a heartbeat. If the Blazers do want Outlaw or Blake, just try to resign them this summer. Meanwhile, let Bayless and Rudy take over Blake's minutes.
 
IMHO this season is lost anyway. We're in 8th place without our Centers. We're not getting out of the first round if we even get in.

That said, we do this trade to use or expiring assets and get a player that COULD be in our top-8 or top-9 rotation next season when we're healthy.

Sasha isn't as bad as everyone seems to be making him out to be. His stats are virtually the same as Rudy's. But, I fully understand the irritation factor.

Miller - Bayless - Mills
Roy - Rudy - Vuyabitch
Nic - Webster - Cunningham
Aldridge - Thomas - Pendergraph
Oden - Przybilla
and a mid-first-round pick.

Going into next year!!
 
My problem with this trade scenario is that I think it essentially throws in the towel on making the playoffs this year. I don't think they can pull it off without what Howard has done to hold down the 5 spot and, although I know his detractors will say otherwise, I think Blake will be missed. Do this to get a backup PF who hasn't exactly set the league on fire? I can live with hairnet boy on the bench, but I guess I'm just not seeing enough in Thomas to be willing to get behind this deal. It has all the earmarks of a Laker smokescreen to me. They give up squat and get a significant piece.

Crap...I guess that does make it pretty likely to happen. Yuck.
 
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