Ugh. Cap estimate lowered to 99M for 17-18

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TBpup said:
That's the thing, Parsons was NeO's first choice. Thank goodness he decided to go elsewhere. We could be even worse off. At least Turner plays.
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No he wasn't. Whiteside was. Unfortunately, we were his second choice.

Not sure how true it is, but it has been mentioned that once Neil saw Parson's medical records, he told him to take the MEM offer.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Wow, there's a surprise.

My draft day prediction:

No matter what happens, Mediocre Man will find some reason to be pissed off and disappointed.

BNM
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Could be? WABC's, guys from the Cuse, trading assets to fix his clusterfuck....any of those would
 
Schilly said:
Yes I'm fully aware that if we are over luxury 3 out of 4 years it compounds. It also isn't assessed until the last day of the regular season. We really don't have to worry till say trade deadline 2020. Sure some preemptive moves would be good but that doesn't mean we have to throw picks away this summer, we have time to be more patient for more favorable deals.
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Sure, but if we don't start working on it now, we will be fucked. Why wait until the last minute and be strapped with the rest of the GM's knowing this?
I think the point is if we don't work it now, we lose flexibility and will take it in the ass even more if we wait until the last minute.
So saying not to worry now maybe be correct, but to be concerned is absolutely valid.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Sure, but if we don't start working on it now, we will be fucked. Why wait until the last minute and be strapped with the rest of the GM's knowing this?
I think the point is if we don't work it now, we lose flexibility and will take it in the ass even more if we wait until the last minute.
So saying not to worry now maybe be correct, but to be concerned is absolutely valid.
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Just because their contracts are bad now doesn't mean you give away valuable assets (like 1st round picks in a very deep draft) just to dump their salary. As @Shilly said, you don't have to really worry about the repeater tax kicking in until trade deadline 2020. If any of those guys are still here at that point, they are expiring contracts, which would be much easier to move than they are now with three years left on their bloated contracts.

Move them if/when it makes sense, but don't panic and sacrifice anything of value now just to dump their contracts.

BNM
 
The whole reason we kept guys like Moe, Meyers, and AC was to "retain assets." We didn't want to lose them for nothing.

Now we're gonna attach more assets just to get them off our roster? Think this through, guys. It's not gonna happen. It better not happen.
 
yuyuza1 said:
The whole reason we kept guys like Moe, Meyers, and AC was to "retain assets." We didn't want to lose them for nothing.

Now we're gonna attach more assets just to get them off our roster? Think this through, guys. It's not gonna happen. It better not happen.
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Thats why theres no way we attach assets to those guys. Only one thats plausible is evan turner, and id be OK with attaching 26 to get rid of him. Crabbe on the other hand does have value.
 
OSUBlazerfan said:
Thats why theres no way we attach assets to those guys. Only one thats plausible is evan turner, and id be OK with attaching 26 to get rid of him. Crabbe on the other hand does have value.
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It would defeat the purpose of going through the whole ordeal with Varejao if we just dump #26 to get rid of Turner.

I would not be happy if that happens. His contract sucks, but Neil gave it to him. He made his bed, so he better lie in it without compromising a very valuable (to us) asset in #26.
 
yuyuza1 said:
It would defeat the purpose of going through the whole ordeal with Varejao if we just dump #26 to get rid of Turner.

I would not be happy if that happens. His contract sucks, but Neil gave it to him. He made his bed, so he better lie in it without compromising a very valuable (to us) asset in #26.
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I'm more content with it though, because he's the one that got that asset for us. But i would understand your frustration as well.
 
yuyuza1 said:
The whole reason we kept guys like Moe, Meyers, and AC was to "retain assets." We didn't want to lose them for nothing.

Now we're gonna attach more assets just to get them off our roster? Think this through, guys. It's not gonna happen. It better not happen.
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Yep, and the longer we keep these guys, the more tradeable they become. At some point, a boat anchor of a $70 - $75 million 4-year contract becomes a $17 - $18.5 million expiring contract. Somewhere in between those contracts go from having negative trade value to having positive trade value when it comes to matching salaries.

For example, at the 2020 trade deadline, Allen Crabbe only has $7.2 million left on his $75 million contract, but he counts as $18.5 million in incoming salary. So, he could be very desirable (contract wise) to a team looking to dump a player making that much on a longer contract - for example a team looking to blow it up and rebuild.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Just because their contracts are bad now doesn't mean you give away valuable assets (like 1st round picks in a very deep draft) just to dump their salary. As @Shilly said, you don't have to really worry about the repeater tax kicking in until trade deadline 2020. If any of those guys are still here at that point, they are expiring contracts, which would be much easier to move than they are now with three years left on their bloated contracts.

Move them if/when it makes sense, but don't panic and sacrifice anything of value now just to dump their contracts.

BNM
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yuyuza1 said:
The whole reason we kept guys like Moe, Meyers, and AC was to "retain assets." We didn't want to lose them for nothing.

Now we're gonna attach more assets just to get them off our roster? Think this through, guys. It's not gonna happen. It better not happen.
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That's not what I'm saying. I'm saying they need to be thinking about it now, so they aren't left with zero options if/when the time comes.
NO worrying or panic, but it must be a concern.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Nope. That's just you assuming you know the first thing about me.
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Do I know you personally? No, I don't.

But, you have a pretty consistent body of work here on this forum and that's what I based my response on. If you don't want to be perceived as a negative poster, don't be a negative poster.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Do I know you personally? No, I don't.

But, you have a pretty consistent body of work here on this forum and that's what I based my response on. If you don't want to be perceived as a negative poster, don't be a negative poster.

BNM
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I don't care how I'm perceived. Just letting you know that you are wrong
 
Didn't NO quietly tell Parsons to take the Minny offer? I think NO's first choice was ET all along.

Kind of like the Bulls when they got Boozer. While all the teams were chasing LeBron, the Bulls quietly negotiated the deal with Boozer and announced it the day LBJ signed with Miami. The Bulls did make an all out offer to get the big 3 in Chicago, of course. For show.

I sensed a similar scenario last summer here. Parsons was considered one of the big prize FAs, regardless of his health.

We haven't had the draft yet and teams haven't begun to deal. NO has shown he knows how to manage the salaries, I expect he's going to do a great job this season as well.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I understand. I'm telling you that your perception of me is incorrect
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No it's not. My perception is my perception, just like my opinions are my opinions. They are neither right, nor wrong. Want to change my perception change your behavior - or not.

This was your very first post in this thread:

Mediocre Man said:
Shaping up to be a pissed off kinda night
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And you think my perception of you as a negative poster is "wrong". Really? We have three first round picks in a very deep draft and you're approaching tonight with a negative attitude and already anticipating being "pissed off". You are perceived as being negative because you are.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
No it's not. My perception is my perception, just like my opinions are my opinions. They are neither right, nor wrong. Want to change my perception change your behavior - or not.

This was your very first post in this thread:



And you think my perception of you as a negative poster is "wrong". Really? We have three first round picks in a very deep draft and you're approaching tonight with a negative attitude and already anticipating being "pissed off". You are perceived as being negative because you are.

BNM
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Your perception is what it is. I'm just telling you it is wrong. Just because something appears to be one way, doesn't mean it is.
 
Mediocre Man said:
Your perception is what it is. I'm just telling you it is wrong. Just because something appears to be one way, doesn't mean it is.
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Right, you're not a negative poster at all. Those 20,000+ negative posts and you're anticipation of being pissed off tonight have done nothing to create the perception that you are a negative poster.

And please note, I did not say you are a negative person (I honestly don't know and I frankly don't care), I said you are a negative poster. Perceptions be damned, you're track record speaks for its self.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
Right, you're not a negative poster at all. Those 20,000+ negative posts and you're anticipation of being pissed off tonight have done nothing to create the perception that you are a negative poster.

And please note, I did not say you are a negative person (I honestly don't know and I frankly don't care), I said you are a negative poster. Perceptions be damned, you're track record speaks for its self.

BNM
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No. You said that no matter what happens I would a way to be pissed off. Me, not my posts.
 
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