Uh, oh. Andre Miller not happy

[PapaG]

I'm going to withhold judgment until the regular season starts. If we're not winning games and this comes up, then we might have some red flags.

There is already a red flag. The question is, will it disappear?

 

[RoyToy]

I'm going to withhold judgment until the regular season starts. If we're not winning games and this comes up, then we might have some red flags.

Agreed. Winning cures everything.

 

[BenDavis503]

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5252611

I would do that trade. No way they would do it though.

Miller\Bayless for Sessions\Gomes - Gives us a (*debatable) better PG of the future than Bayless, a SF\PF combo better than Outlaw and two 3 year cheap contracts that we wont have to worry about. Also clear cut backups that wont try to start and piss off Roy.

I would do this trade too. Not sure if they would do this either. But Miller finally gives them a good PG starter.

http://www.realgm.com/src_checktrade.php?tradeid=5252650

Luc Mbah a Moute\Ridnour for Miller.

Luc Mbah a Moute is among the top SF in the league in rebounds and steals. Not far from the top for blocks also. My point is, we are trading someone who needs shots, which so far looks like he is pissing off the team, taking too many shots, for a player who plays defense and doesn't shoot. And then another mediocre PG to battle with Bayless and piss him off more, but a decent expiring contract.

 

[Natebishop3]

There is already a red flag. The question is, will it disappear?

You have been witch-hunting Miller since before training camp started, so you should be thrilled about this. It's like the 4th of July for you right now. You should already be at the local print shop getting "Trade Andre" signs made up.

 

[MIXUM]

wow why is the movie major league 2 jumping in my head? miller starring as parkman. bayless is rube lol.

roy is hayes, and oden is cerano.

i will be the crazy hating fan.

 

[Tortimer]

I haven't read all the post and am not a big Miller fan but I do think he should start. Miller has outplayed Blake and everyone can see he is the better player. We already knew at least I did that Miller didn't talk a lot to the other players on other teams he has played for. He likes to keep to himself which I see nothing wrong with. I just don't think the team (Nate, Roy and maybe others) have handle the situation right. Nate comes out and says Blake is the starter and Miller will be coming off the bench. Why didn't Nate just say the job is open and the player that plays the best will be the starter instead of naming Blake. Roy also has hinted that he isn't comfortable playing with a different PG then Blake. If I was Roy and really wanted to win I would shut up and let the best player win the job and learn to play with Miller if he did get the starting Job. I hate to tell Roy but Blake is a nice player but not one that will take a team to a NBA championship plus eventually someone else is going to take over for Blake no matter how comfortable Roy feels playing with him.

 

[B-Roy]

You have been witch-hunting Miller since before training camp started, so you should be thrilled about this. It's like the 4th of July for you right now. You should already be at the local print shop getting "Trade Andre" signs made up.

And you have been bowing at Andre's feet for the same amount of time.

Something's gotta give, right?

 

[STOMP]

To everyone's surprise the soap opera fans are wetting their pants over nothing... and who'd a thunk it they want everyone to join them in a tizzy

-self described "loner" Andre Miller didn't have a long conversation with Brandon until they actually met

-His new coach calls him one of the smartest PGs in the game, compared him to John Stockton, but hasn't named him (or anyone else) a starter yet

-even more concerning, Miller stated that he expects to start

-grass is green

STOMP

 

[MIXUM]

telling ya.... making the playoffs might not be a sure thing if these guys cant get along and miller and roy dont gel.

dont shoot the messenger

 

[RoyToy]

telling ya.... making the playoffs might not be a sure thing if these guys cant get along and miller and roy dont gel.

dont shoot the messenger

What's funny is you're being serious.

You enjoy being wrong a lot or something? It sure seems like it.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

To everyone's surprise the soap opera fans are wetting their pants over nothing... and who'd a thunk it they want everyone to join them in a tizzy

-self described "loner" Andre Miller didn't have a long conversation with Brandon until they actually met

-His new coach calls him one of the smartest PGs in the game, compared him to John Stockton, but hasn't named him (or anyone else) a starter yet

-even more concerning, Miller stated that he expects to start

-grass is green

STOMP

People are scared of loners and think there is something wrong with them. God forbid someone just doesn't like large groups of people.

 

[MIXUM]

do i think we make the playoffs? yes. i predicted us to finish 3rd.

could we be the jazz or hornets of last year.... 100% yes.

could we be the baby bulls of 07... 100% yes

clippers, thunder, grizz, suns are all improved. you never know if guys just dont have the right chemistry on this team.

 

[THE HCP]

What's funny is you're being serious.

You enjoy being wrong a lot or something? It sure seems like it.

Don't waste your time.

 

[RoyToy]

All 4 of those WC teams are improved but not close to being as good as the Blazers.

You can worry all you want about the Blazers but I think it's all for naught imo.

 

[MARIS61]

Damn.

There's no smiley for "I told you so!"????

 

[MARIS61]

People are scared of loners and think there is something wrong with them. God forbid someone just doesn't like large groups of people.

Funny career choice then, entertaining thousands nightly.

I hope he doesn't snap and drive his Escalade over them after the game.

 

[Minstrel]

This hardly seems like a big deal. Miller wants to start and expects to start. As someone else said, until the team starts losing games they shouldn't be, this doesn't worry me at all. The idea that every non-cheery comment is a crusher to chemistry and legitimately threatens the team's success is off-base. Forums like this are echo chambers, in which pretty innocuous issues get blown up into huge discussion points.

The "Roy unhappy with how contract negotiations are going" thing was a non-issue and the "Miller says he wouldn't have signed here if he had been told he'd be a backup" is likely going to be forgotten pretty soon after the season starts, in my opinion.

 

[Minstrel]

Funny career choice then, entertaining thousands nightly.

Not that funny. He entertains them by playing basketball, not by socializing.

I hope he doesn't snap and drive his Escalade over them after the game.

Me too. I hope no one does that.

 

[PapaG]

You have been witch-hunting Miller since before training camp started, so you should be thrilled about this. It's like the 4th of July for you right now. You should already be at the local print shop getting "Trade Andre" signs made up.

Completely false. In fact, I said he was the best off-season aquisition this team could make.

Tell more lies, Nate. At least drag up my posts criticizing his signing after inking his deal.

You are a liar.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Funny career choice then, entertaining thousands nightly.

I hope he doesn't snap and drive his Escalade over them after the game.

The over exaggerated hyperbole is funny, but oddly that is not what most loners do (while some people who come off as very social do). I think his choice was more playing basketball because he loved it rather than entertaining people; shockingly someone can do a job that involves a multitude of people but still wish to be left alone after their job is done.

Preferring to be alone does not equate crazy, aggressive towards people, or anything like that.

 

[PapaG]

The over exaggerated hyperbole is funny, but oddly that is not what most loners do (while some people who come off as very social do). I think his choice was more playing basketball because he loved it rather than entertaining people; shockingly someone can do a job that involves a multitude of people but still wish to be left alone after their job is done.

Preferring to be alone does not equate crazy, aggressive towards people, or anything like that.

So, do most "loners" whine to the media about having to compete for playing time on a 54-win team?

I'm thinking Miller knows he got one over on the Blazers with his "Mr. Basketball" act.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

So, do most "loners" whine to the media about having to compete for playing time on a 54-win team?

I'm thinking Miller knows he got one over on the Blazers with his "Mr. Basketball" act.

I think loners who are often misjudged by a large group of people who have a preconceived idea about how a person should act socially will, sometimes, try to explain themselves; which is what I believe what he was trying to do for most of the article.

As for the playing time issue complaint I believe personally he is more frustrated by Nate coming right out of the gate and saying Blake was the starter; not so much the idea of him having to compete for the starting role. I'd also point out that Spears suggests the interview was conducted last week before the rotating starting lineup tryouts started.

Considering he's outplayed Blake this preseason (something even notorious Blake lover Quick pointed out in plain words yesterday) I think there will be no issue of him starting or not. In my opinion at this point he has clearly earned it by being a superior player.

Edit: A quick aside the reason I come so quickly to his defense on the loner issue is that I myself am not very social due to a personality disorder. Just because a person does not wish to engage in social activities doesn't mean they're mean, rude, crazy, or more susceptible to snap and go on murderous rampages as the Maris Hyperbole Post suggested. It probably just means a person prefers peace, quiet and alone time more than being with a lot of people (and a lot can vary for people as my 'a lot' is more than four or five). A lot of people get all in a tiffy when a person is a loner but where is the complaints about people who are overly in your face happy nothing can ever go wrong sunshine sunshine hug hug etc :/.

 

[PapaG]

I think loners who are often misjudged by a large group of people who have a preconceived idea about how a person should act socially will, sometimes, try to explain themselves; which is what I believe what he was trying to do for most of the article.

As for the playing time issue complaint I believe personally he is more frustrated by Nate coming right out of the gate and saying Blake was the starter; not so much the idea of him having to compete for the starting role. I'd also point out that Spears suggests the interview was conducted last week before the rotating starting lineup tryouts started.

Considering he's outplayed Blake this preseason (something even notorious Blake lover Quick pointed out in plain words yesterday) I think there will be no issue of him starting or not. In my opinion at this point he has clearly earned it by being a superior player.

Actually, we have conflicting reports here. We have one stating that Miller didn't know he may not be starting, given to a national media member. He says had he known this, he would not have signed with the Blazers. We have another quote, from Nate, to a local writer a month ago stating that Miller may be coming off of the bench, as was explained to him in their dinner in Vegas.

Hmm...

 

[The Sebastian Express]

Actually, we have conflicting reports here. We have one stating that Miller didn't know he may not be starting, given to a national media member. He says had he known this, he would not have signed with the Blazers. We have another quote, from Nate, to a local writer a month ago stating that Miller may be coming off of the bench, as was explained to him in their dinner in Vegas.

Hmm...

I think something in their dinner may have got crossed or misheard; perhaps just simply fogged up in the time since the meeting. I'll maintain my belief that his comment was more directed towards McMillan suggesting that Blake was the starter going into the season during August/September before softening his stance later. I have no doubt he expected to start because he knows, as many other people do, that he is simply the superior player to Steve Blake at the point guard position. That's no knock on Blake who has good long-range shooting and doesn't make risky decisions, but he isn't in Miller's 'point guard' league.

 

[PapaG]

I think something in their dinner may have got crossed or misheard; perhaps just simply fogged up in the time since the meeting. I'll maintain my belief that his comment was more directed towards McMillan suggesting that Blake was the starter going into the season during August/September before softening his stance later. I have no doubt he expected to start because he knows, as many other people do, that he is simply the superior player to Steve Blake at the point guard position. That's no knock on Blake who has good long-range shooting and doesn't make risky decisions, but he isn't in Miller's 'point guard' league.

Really? I'm just going to stick with my new belief that Miller is a selfish loner who is misrepresenting why he was brought to Portland. His whining to a national member of the media pretty much proves this to me right now. Why not air your concern to your coach before crybabying to the media?

He got paid, now he wants to be happy, whether or not that means actually winning.

Miller has lost me right now. I hope he proves me wrong.

 

[The Sebastian Express]

There you go making being a loner as something bad. I see you've learned nothing and want to perpetuate stereotypes, congratulations.

 

[PapaG]

There you go making being a loner as something bad. I see you've learned nothing and want to perpetuate stereotypes, congratulations.

Where did I say him being a loner is bad? I said he's a self-admitted loner who just whined to the national media about his frustrations.

Address this, or don't. Just stop accusing me a saying that being a loner is a negative. I have never said this, and Miller admits to being a loner.

 

[RoyIsClutch07]

Really? I'm just going to stick with my new belief that Miller is a selfish loner who is misrepresenting why he was brought to Portland. His whining to a national member of the media pretty much proves this to me right now. Why not air your concern to your coach before crybabying to the media?

He got paid, now he wants to be happy, whether or not that means actually winning.

Miller has lost me right now. I hope he proves me wrong.

Andre Miller, the perception, doesn't exude anything differently. The perception he is leading on is why I feel he has never been as successful as he could have been. I think with Andre, it's more about me. And it's been that way his entire career.

But on this team, that's ok, because everyone else is selfless. We can hope that his me first attitude won't ruffle any feathers with his teammates. Steve Blake being one of them.

 

[ehizzy3]

everyone calm down.....miller is better than blake, and will start.

 

[PapaG]

everyone calm down.....miller is better than blake, and will start.

I'm not sure that really matters at this point. He shot the ball 11 times in 25 minutes last night, and he's basically a mid-level aging PG.

I think a scapegoat has been discovered in this thread.