Uh, oh. Andre Miller not happy

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jlprk said:
LOL. I did this with some punks in my neighborhood in the 1980s. I told them I'd fight them but, you have 3 guys in your car and I'm alone, so you wait here and I'll run and get my brother and we'll see about this. The leader snickered sarcastically, "Oh yeah, you get your BROTHER!!" So I ran off fast, and didn't go back. For all I know, they're still waiting there.
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Neat story.
 
I was happy with Sergio and Steve splitting time, and never wanted Andre simply due to age, bad fit stylewise, inability to stick with a team.

Now we find out he's a dick on top of it all.

After listening to the Clips dismantle our PG's, I wish we'd seen what a Sergio/Sebastian duo could be like. Blazers management and many fans give up too quickly on young players.
 
MARIS61 said:
I was happy with Sergio and Steve splitting time, and never wanted Andre simply due to age, bad fit stylewise, inability to stick with a team.

Now we find out he's a dick on top of it all.

After listening to the Clips dismantle our PG's, I wish we'd seen what a Sergio/Sebastian duo could be like. Blazers management and many fans give up too quickly on young players.
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Yeah, Sergio is tearing it up in Sacramento and never complained about playing time while he was here. The only problem with his complaints about playing time was somehow he didn't realize like some other posters on this board that he was a shitty basketball player. That's why he'll ride the pine the entire season in Sacto. Keep living in your little fantasy world.
 
PapaG said:
Well, I actually am stoked about Miller's addition, at least in terms of what I think he brings to the court. At least I was until reading these comments to Yahoo. Now, I'm taking the "we'll see" side. This team hasn't had a player whine about PT since the bad days. I'm wondering how they will adapt to it.
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That's funny, pretty sure Sergio did last year.

Miller is a different situation anyways. He's actually good and deserves more minutes than Blake, unlike Sergio.

For the record McMillan never said Miller wouldn't play more than Blake, just that he might not start. Playing time isn't the issue.
 
RoyToy said:
That's funny, pretty sure Sergio did last year.

Miller is a different situation anyways. He's actually good and deserves more minutes than Blake, unlike Sergio.

For the record McMillan never said Miller wouldn't play more than Blake, just that he might not start. Playing time isn't the issue.
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For the record, read that Miller's quote is about starting, not about playing time. After doing so, let's talk on a level playing field. :cheers:
 
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PapaG said:
Well, I actually am stoked about Miller's addition, at least in terms of what I think he brings to the court. At least I was until reading these comments to Yahoo. Now, I'm taking the "we'll see" side. This team hasn't had a player whine about PT since the bad days. I'm wondering how they will adapt to it.
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Both Sergio and Rudy have 'whined' to the media about PT in the last year. With a team this deep guys are gonna feel shortchanged when it comes to minutes, but in the end if we're winning it will all get glossed over.
 
Jayps15 said:
Both Sergio and Rudy have 'whined' to the media about PT in the last year. With a team this deep guys are gonna feel shortchanged when it comes to minutes, but in the end if we're winning it will all get glossed over.
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Really? When did Rudy "whine" about PT. Also, Miller is "whining" about starting, not PT. And yes, I do realize I set up a tangent argument that is almost impossible to defend. So I concede that I shouldn't have posted that generic 'PT" sentence.
 
PapaG said:
For the record, read that Miller's quote is about starting, not about playing time. After doing so, let's talk on a level playing field. :cheers:
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I was responding to your post.

This team hasn't had a player whine about PT since the bad days
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I'm sorry if you got yourself mixed up :confused:
 
RoyToy said:
I'm sorry if you got yourself mixed up :confused:
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Yeah I already amended that post. Care to comment on a new player whining about not starting? A complaint that contradicts his own coach's words to the media?
 
PapaG said:
Really? When did Rudy "whine" about PT. Also, Miller is "whining" about starting, not PT. And yes, I do realize I set up a tangent argument that is almost impossible to defend. So I concede that I shouldn't have posted that generic 'PT" sentence.
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Rudy was reportedly unhappy about the prospect of us signing Hedo because it would cut into his minutes.

To a veteran like Miller, who's been starting and playing at a high level for almost a decade now I think being labeled as a 'starter' is a symbol of respect, one that he feels he's earned. Nate can get these young guys and role players to buy into his 'it doesn't matter if you start, it's who finishes' philosophy, but Miller has started all but 2 games in his last 500+ while playing ~36mpg, I wouldn't expect him to suddenly accept anything less out of the blue.
 
Anyone have a link of either Sergio or Rudy complaining about playing time?

All you'll find is that Sergio's European agent did so once at the start of last season (deservedly, when after trading Jack to open minutes for Sergio, McMillan still wasn't playing Sergio enough), and that Rudy said the team signing Hedo might impact whether he was on the team long-term.

Neither of those = a player complaining about minutes.
 
Jayps15 said:
Rudy was reportedly unhappy about the prospect of us signing Hedo because it would cut into his minutes.

To a veteran like Miller, who's been starting and playing at a high level for almost a decade now I think being labeled as a 'starter' is a symbol of respect, one that he feels he's earned. Nate can get these young guys and role players to buy into his 'it doesn't matter if you start, it's who finishes' philosophy, but Miller has started all but 2 games in his last 500+ while playing ~36mpg, I wouldn't expect him to suddenly accept anything less out of the blue.
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Good points.

In the end the Blazers need Miller if they want to be a contender THIS year.
 
Sergio complained definitely. Only because he thought he was better than what he got, which judging from his stint with the Kings...he's obviously wrong. Rudy was actually getting really tired in the middle of the season. I could've sworn there was something said about playing too much.
 
Neither complained about time. They both complained about not being used correctly, or enough, when in the game.

Rudy wanted plays run for him, and to have the ball to create.

Sergio wanted to push the tempo, and be allowed to create.

In both cases, Nate chose to slow it down and give the ball to Roy instead most of the time.

Now even Roy is unhappy, with Miller taking so many of his posessions.
 
If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come here,” Miller told Yahoo! Sports this week.
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good thing he's been getting the opportunity to compete for a starting position (like most everyone else) or we might actually have a story. If they had told him right out when he had his meetings that he was either a bench player or starter no matter what, that would be messed up... again, good thing that didn't happen.

I see nothing wrong with his quote. Maybe if I heard it in context but as a stand alone quote it's actually pretty benign. Dude wants to compete and has a high opinion of himself... so do most pro athletes. We're so lucky to have the same usual drama fan posters reading into it, assuming the worst and doing their thing.

STOMP
 
I think Nate dropped the ball on this right from the beginning. He handled it piss poor.
 
I expect nothing less out of Miller than for him to want to compete and win the starting PG spot, and I would not want anything but him to be unhappy if he is not starting. He is a competitor.

It hasn't been that long since Steve Blake launched up that 30 foot heave against Houston with the game on the line with way too much time left on the shot clock. That is the type of decision making you get with Steve Blake. That is why he is no good on the fast break. He panics when playing at a higher gear of speed. That is why we got Miller.

The thing I wonder about more often then not, is if we have the right coach. This team isn't "too stacked". In fact when it comes to talent, I wouldn't even put this team #6 in talent level for Blazer teams over the past 22 years. So saying the team is too loaded is a bullshit call in my book.
 
Mediocre Man said:
I think Nate dropped the ball on this right from the beginning. He handled it piss poor.
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I agree. It was stupid for Nate to come out and say, repeatedly, that Blake and Joel were his starters, long before training camp. Just as it was stupid for him to say, before Oden had even practiced, that Oden was his starting center. Stupid.
 
BBert said:
I agree. It was stupid for Nate to come out and say, repeatedly, that Blake and Joel were his starters, long before training camp. Just as it was stupid for him to say, before Oden had even practiced, that Oden was his starting center. Stupid.
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He said Joel and Blake were the starters going into game and that they would start the FIRST pre-season game. He's already shown he's willing to look at all his options, so I don't understand what he did wrong.
 
BBert said:
I agree. It was stupid for Nate to come out and say, repeatedly, that Blake and Joel were his starters, long before training camp. Just as it was stupid for him to say, before Oden had even practiced, that Oden was his starting center. Stupid.
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I actually don't think it was a bad thing to name the number one overall pick, and "once in a generation center" as the starter.
 
Why is it, the Blazers are now considered a top three team in the WC, with such a crappy coach and GM? This, in a matter of a few years? :confused:

Some of you guys really make me chuckle. :cheers:
 
PapaG said:
The only addition is a ball-dominating PG in Miller. Well, I suppose we can add an Oden who doesn't trip over himself and seems to have made major in improvements on offense.
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The changes from last season are actually more significant.

They are:

Add above average established Point Guard (as you already mention)

Add Oden into the offensive system (as you already mention)

Steve Blake in a contract year.

Travis Outlaw in a contract year.

LaMarcus negotiating a contract extension.

Martel Webster returns.

Rudy want more minutes and shots.

Nic Batum wants (and the team agrees) to be more agressive with his offense.

There are other changes from last season, but the direction of this team - unless bodies start dropping - is straight to implosion-land. There is no way even half these guys are going to be satisfied. We will have deserving players get shut out.
 
Anyway you estimate player minutes, all of them lose big this season compared to last season (except Rudy, Batum, and the 2 centers Oden and Przybilla). Here's what I estimated in Post #42 in

http://sportstwo.com/forums/showthread.php?p=2124354#post2124354

next season total..per game..last season total..per game..player

2542 31 2903 37.2 Roy
2542 31 3004 37.1 Aldridge
2050 25 2976 36.3 Miller
2050 25 1993 25.6 Fernandez
1804 22 1952 23.8 Przybilla
1804 22 1314 21.5 Oden
1640 20 1454 18.4 Batum
1558 19 2188 31.7 Blake
1230 15 2246 27.7 Outlaw
0738 09 2132 28.4 Webster (last season = 2007-08)
0738 09 1035 15.4 Udoka
0492 06 0655 12.4 Bayless
0328 04 0353 07.1 Howard (last season = 2007-08)
0164 02 Cunningham
0000 00 Pendergraph

19680 240 totals

Roy loses 400 minutes, Aldridge loses 500, Miller loses 900, etc., etc., etc. on down the list. You may disagree on the details, but your list still has to add up to 19,680 (= 82 x 48 x 5), the same as mine. My point: Miller's complaint is just the beginning. There will be many more remarks like this from all players (except as I said, Rudy, Batum, and the 2 centers).
 
ABM said:
Why is it, the Blazers are now considered a top three team in the WC, with such a crappy coach and GM? This, in a matter of a few years? :confused:

Some of you guys really make me chuckle. :cheers:
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and GM?

So the Miles things made him lose all credibility in spite of dragging the Blazers out of the gutter and into the upper level of the NBA?

I couldnt imagine what you guys would be saying if you had Stan Van Gundy as a coach...you would all be so confused :lol:

"He's a spazzing idiot! All he does is talk to his team thru the media!....and get us to the finals?!?":ohno:
 
Until and unless his play is impacted negatively, I don't see anything significant here. Of course he wouldn't have come to Portland if he knew he was not going to start. I can't believe that any of you would think that he would have. Maybe you're surprised by his honesty?

*shrug*

Ed O.
 
Nate and Miller quotes regarding the article.

Nate McMillan said:
On Miller's comment that "If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn't have come here," and whether he has had any recent conversations with Miller about the team's starting point guard position:

We ... my office is open to my players. And we — I didn't read that. You know, I really won't comment on that because, until that is said to me, then it's not something that I'm going to concern myself with what is written. You know, my players — we've talked about my door has been open, and they can come to me if they feel there is something that is a concern, or they don't understand, or they don't know a role, and I'm here every day between 7:30 and 8 o'clock.

On whether Miller has showed any displeasure during training camp:

If that was the case, I would let you know. But, no. I put him in the lineup (Friday) to look at that combination of players, and I'm probably going to go with that lineup again to take a look at that. But, no, I have not heard that from any player.
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Andre Miller said:
On the "If I was told right out when I had my meetings that I would be a backup, then I wouldn’t have come here," quote:

Yeah, that's accurate.

On whether he feels the situation with the team, media will improve:

Yeah, it's going to improve. Regardless of the situation, this is a talented team. You know, I'm not here to cause any controversy. I'm here to play basketball, you know. Whatever goes on off the court, I'm not going to worry about that. I'm here to play basketball and be on the court and play basketball.
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If he's so concerned about the way the fans perceive his behavior, crying about "the situation" to the national media isn't gonna help his cause.
 
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