Politics Ukraine / Russia (3 Viewers)

[Chris Craig]

the man survived.

There for peacekeeping? Fucking Russian assholes

 

[SlyPokerDog]

 

[Chris Craig]

 

[SlyPokerDog]

It is also critical to note Trump has almost unanimous GOP support and cover for all of this and Republicans like Moscow Mitch were already knee deep with Russian collusion through the NRA. Now Russian Times is using Trump and Fox News soundbites to further propagandize this war to their citizens.

• Impeached for illegally witholding Ukraine military aid, already appropriated to them by Congress, unless they made up political dirt on Biden. Specifically Ukraine was asking for the Javelin anti-tank systems that are now helping them fend off Russian advancements.
• Praised Putin constantly, called him a "strong leader", has peddled statements like "he's done a really great job outsmarting our country"
• Trump dismissed and cast doubt about Russian hacking, particularly when the U.S determined that Russia hacked the DNC in 2016, while ironically enough, he encouraged Russian cyber attacks on national TV saying, "Russia, if you're listening, I hope you're able to find the 30,000 emails that are missing,"
• When addressing Russian election interference and cyber attacks, Trump proclaimed "I don't see any reason why it would be Russia" after speaking directly with Putin, defending Russia and trusting Putin over our own intelligence agencies. Later he "corrected" himself, claiming that he meant to say "wouldn't" instead of would.
• Trump suggested the U.S. work directly with Russia on cybersecurity. Trump refused to punish or critique the SolarWinds hack.
• Almost directly after the 2016 election, Trump sought to weaken U.S. sanctions on Russia, while he was even open to lifting sanctions.
• Trump dismissed the notion that Putin was a "killer", downplaying the idea that Putin resorts to using violence and oppressive tactics to crush political opponents. He defended Putin, rationalizing his ruthless despotism in the process, declaring, "There are a lot of killers. Do you think our country is so innocent?"
• Trump shared highly classified U.S. intelligence with Russian officials in the Oval Office in 2017.
• Trump repeated Kremlin talking points related to the Russian annexation of Crimea, reiterating things like, "The people of Crimea, from what I've heard, would rather be with Russia than where they were."
• Trump constantly attacked NATO, aligning himself with Putin. (quite relevant)
• Trump thanked Putin for expelling hundreds of U.S. diplomats as a retaliation for sanctions.
• Trump refused to make a statement about the 10th anniversary of the Russia-Georgia war. According to John Bolton, European leaders noticed Trump's silence and "became even more concerned about American resolve."
• According to congressional testimony, Trump declined to publicly condemn a Russian attack against Ukrainian military vessels in November 2018, even though the State Department prepared a statement for him
• Trump congratulated and gave legitimacy to Putin's re election win in 2018, a victory said to "lack genuine competition"
• Sergei Skripal, an ex Russian spy that defected to the UK, was poisoned. Sanctions were announced, Trump attempted to rescind them, while asserting that the U.S. was being "too tough on Putin"
• When congress passed new sanctions against Russia in 2017, Trump was very reluctant to signing the bill, and probably wouldn't have signed it if the bill didn't pass with veto-proof majorities in both houses
• In 2017 it was reported that Trump was considering returning spy bases to Russia.
• Trump praised and highlighted pro-Russian leaders in Europe. Far right European leaders with close ties to Putin. He even met a Kremlin ally at the Whitehouse.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[Fairly-Hard]

I would expect the US to try this. It was a great move. Pretty much tells us exactly where China stands at this point.

 

[ehizzy3]

It seemed like Ukraine was getting dominated at first but now it seems like they are at least putting up a good fight which is very commendable


It’s hard to know what to believe though

 

[ehizzy3]

 

[barfo]

I didn’t deny fucking anything.

So it's true about you and that badger.

barfo

 

[Hoopguru]

As if we could provide China with info they weren't aware of.

 

[ehizzy3]

 

[Chris Craig]

It seemed like Ukraine was getting dominated at first but now it seems like they are at least putting up a good fight which is very commendable


It’s hard to know what to believe though

It's only a matter of time

By the end of the weekend if not sooner, Russia will take Kyiv, kill the president, and successfully control Ukraine

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

this is some baller shit man. watching some of these videos of Zelensky and their citizens has totally left me in awe about the pride they have for their country and their ideals. And Poroshenko too. Awesome.

It appears this will be the worst urban warfare bloodbath since the Warsaw Uprising

 

[UKRAINEFAN]

They need more than talk. How about at least air dropping humanitarian supplies. How about rushed deliveries of stingers and javelins; the Lviv airport is open!

 

[ehizzy3]

 

[Shaboid]

Gotta give the guy his credit, he's got cojones.

 

[Chris Craig]

A true leader

 

[Chris Craig]

They need a Ukrainian Mike Bannon over there

Ukraine has fallen

 

[illmatic99]

I hope he doesn't get himself killed. He's too strong of a leader to be without.

 

[Fairly-Hard]

So no US troops on the ground but does that mean the US cannot provide Air and Naval support? Seriously we have weapons within a carrier group that can reach anywhere in Ukraine. At what point do we say "Okay lets even the playing field"?

 

[ehizzy3]

From what I gather the Ukrainian infantry is fighting off the Russian infantry. But they have little to no Air Force left and that could be brutal.

 

[jonnyboy]

Words don’t seem to work. Trying to break things down. Also dumb memes match up with dumb posts better

Oh that’s why you post stupid things, because I’m the one who’s stupid. Got it. You just want to help because you’re a good person.

 

[donkiez]

Oh that’s why you post stupid things, because I’m the one who’s stupid. Got it. You just want to help because you’re a good person.

Well, You have been spectacularly wrong on this issue in just about every way possible. It's actually quite impressive how wrong you have been. Even going so far as to mock other people for their TDS. I think it's time to put that narrative to bed.

 

[jonnyboy]

Ok, I’ll bite. Zelensky is corrupt as fuck like the rest of them. I guess nobody wanted to point it out. Make no mistake here, the blood is on Putin’s hands right now, he’s on the offensive. But to sit back and pretend this isn’t an example of failed, horrendous leadership on all sides is foolish. Everyone knew Russia would attack after so many warnings, they’ve done so in the past. There was a diplomatic solution here and Zelensky chose to use his people as humans shields against a guy they 100% KNEW would attack them instead.

 

[jonnyboy]

Well, You have been spectacularly wrong on this issue in just about every way possible. It's actually quite impressive how wrong you have been. Even going so far as to mock other people for their TDS. I think it's time to put that narrative to bed.

I realize TDS is serious and I apologize for mocking it. That one is my bad and I accept responsibility.

 

[donkiez]

I realize TDS is serious and I apologize for mocking it. That one is my bad and I accept responsibility.

I am wondering if anyone else remembers that time we tried to impeach Trump for withholding military aid for Ukraine? Aid which was considered critical for keeping Russia at bay. The reason Trump did it was widely recognized as based on direct Russian propaganda Hunter Biden conspiracy in a smear campaign against Trump political opponents. All Trump wanted was for Ukraine to make an announcement of stating an investigation prior to the election, for which he didn't even care about the results of said investigation. Republicans ate it up and claimed that the Democrats had TDS, then blocked every attempt. Posters here claimed corruption of MSM and "Big Tech". I feel its important to point out how dangerously wrong all them were on this issue, especially since they will try to use the Trump impeachments as justification to impeach Biden if they take back the House and/or Senate. It should also be pointed out, especially with Trumps recent claims of Putins "Genius" invasion plans, that all the Russian asset conspiracy theories against Trump are turning out to be legitimate. And just for some extra salt to the wound, it also looks like Hilary Clinton was correct in here assertion that Tulsi Gabbard is a Russian asset.

TLDR; Trump used Russian propaganda to deny Ukraine military aid in a direct attempt to benefit Russia's ability to invade Ukraine and try to secure his reelection.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Ok, I’ll bite. Zelensky is corrupt as fuck like the rest of them. I guess nobody wanted to point it out. Make no mistake here, the blood is on Putin’s hands right now, he’s on the offensive. But to sit back and pretend this isn’t an example of failed, horrendous leadership on all sides is foolish. Everyone knew Russia would attack after so many warnings, they’ve done so in the past. There was a diplomatic solution here and Zelensky chose to use his people as humans shields against a guy they 100% KNEW would attack them instead.

What diplomatic solution?

 

[jonnyboy]

Much of the military aid for Ukraine ended up in offshore accounts. It’s called corruption. Zelensky is corrupt, this isn’t news.

 

[donkiez]

Much of the military aid for Ukraine ended up in offshore accounts. It’s called corruption. Zelensky is corrupt, this isn’t news.

Are you a Russian asset?

 

[donkiez]

Much of the military aid for Ukraine ended up in offshore accounts. It’s called corruption. Zelensky is corrupt, this isn’t news.

You realize there is a good chance Zalensky is going to die for his country right? It will be a horrible and public death and he accepts that as his potential fate.