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Phatguysrule said:
Fossil fuels are bad. We should not be using fossil fuel for anergy any longer.

I wish we would have voted in a president who understands this...
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Fossil fuels might be bad, but if you want to keep pace with the rest of the world you better use it. We need to explore and develop viable energy alternatives, but until that is done DRILL BABY DRILL!
 
Phatguysrule said:
Fossil fuels are bad. We should not be using fossil fuel for anergy any longer.

I wish we would have voted in a president who understands this...
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You're against natural gas as well?
 
Kamala's doing the raising pitchin her voice thing (2nd clip)



 
tlongII said:
Fossil fuels might be bad, but if you want to keep pace with the rest of the world you better use it. We need to explore and develop viable energy alternatives, but until that is done DRILL BABY DRILL!
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We have viable energy alternatives and don't need fossil fuels to keep up with anybody. Fossil fuels hold us back.

We need an immediate plan to transition away from fossil fuel as fast as possible.

Hydrogen and biofuels can fill every niche battery and electric can't.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We have viable energy alternatives and don't need fossil fuels to keep up with anybody. Fossil fuels hold us back.

We need an immediate plan to transition away from fossil fuel as fast as possible.

Hydrogen and biofuels can fill every niche battery and electric can't.
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Man, they had some GREAT deals on the Hydrogen Fueled Toyotas like a year ago. Like around 20k for a $50k car.
 
Phatguysrule said:
We have viable energy alternatives and don't need fossil fuels to keep up with anybody. Fossil fuels hold us back.

We need an immediate plan to transition away from fossil fuel as fast as possible.

Hydrogen and biofuels can fill every niche battery and electric can't.
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Sorry dude, but I don't think that's possible. At least not for 15-20 years...perhaps longer.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
Man, they had some GREAT deals on the Hydrogen Fueled Toyotas like a year ago. Like around 20k for a $50k car.
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Cars aren't a good use case for hydrogen. It's just not as efficient as battery electric.

But for ships and aircraft we'll probably need hydrogen and biofuels.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Cars aren't a good use case for hydrogen. It's just not as efficient as battery electric.

But for ships and aircraft we'll probably need hydrogen and biofuels.
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There aren't that many stations, but there was actually one of the stations about a mile from me in LA.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
There aren't that many stations, but there was actually one of the stations about a mile from me in LA.
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Yeah, it should be doable. It's just not as efficient energy wise. It would be far more expensive per mile than electric.

But we could do it.
 
tlongII said:
The following is a good explanation of why it is difficult to transition away from fossil fuels...

https://www.brookings.edu/essay/why... that humanity's,climate of our entire planet.
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Yeah, we have solutions for all of that. Hydrogen, biofuels, and nuclear solves all of that regarding burning fossil fuel.

But what it really gets right is

Our biggest challenges are political

In other words, people (corporations) fighting what science proves can and needs to happen for their own selfish reasons.
 
Phatguysrule said:
Yeah, we have solutions for all of that. Hydrogen, biofuels, and nuclear solves all of that regarding burning fossil fuel.

But what it really gets right is

Our biggest challenges are political

In other words, people (corporations) fighting what science proves can and needs to happen for their own selfish reasons.
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So tell me...How are you going to get China to abandon fossil fuel? Or Russia?

Also, what are you going to use to power aircraft?
 
tlongII said:
So tell me...How are you going to get China to abandon fossil fuel? Or Russia?

Also, what are you going to use to power aircraft?
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We can't control China or Russia. I don't know why this is a talking point...

If China and Russia want to use a more expensive and climate damaging energy source that's no reason for us to do it as well. And we certainly shouldn't set ourselves up to rely on them at all.

Biofuels can power long range aircraft. Boeing is already committed to this.
https://biofuels-news.com/news/boeing-set-to-fly-with-aircraft-using-sustainable-fuels/

https://www.reuters.com/article/us-boeing-biofuels-idUSKBN29R2C4
 
tlongII said:
So tell me...How are you going to get China to abandon fossil fuel? Or Russia?

Also, what are you going to use to power aircraft?
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By developing alternative energies that are cheaper than fossil fuels.

Electric-powered aircraft is being worked on. The hold up is battery technology which everyone, from corporations to universities are working on.
 
SlyPokerDog said:
By developing alternative energies that are cheaper than fossil fuels.

Electric-powered aircraft is being worked on. The hold up is battery technology which everyone, from corporations to universities are working on.
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And once again China controls the vast majority of the lithium market as well.
 
@Phatguysrule and @SlyPokerDog I don't see it. Especially considering the energy density of petroleum compared to other energy sources. I don't see how something else could possibly be cheaper? And we absolutely should be concerned with what China and Russia are doing with regards to sources of energy. We do not want them to have a competitive advantage.
 
tlongII said:
@Phatguysrule and @SlyPokerDog I don't see it. Especially considering the energy density of petroleum compared to other energy sources. I don't see how something else could possibly be cheaper? And we absolutely should be concerned with what China and Russia are doing with regards to sources of energy. We do not want them to have a competitive advantage.
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Not to mention that the primary impetus for getting us off fossil fuels is to combat climate change. If China, India, and Russia are still burning fossil fuels what good does it do if we aren't?
 
tlongII said:
@Phatguysrule and @SlyPokerDog I don't see it. Especially considering the energy density of petroleum compared to other energy sources. I don't see how something else could possibly be cheaper? And we absolutely should be concerned with what China and Russia are doing with regards to sources of energy. We do not want them to have a competitive advantage.
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When you consider the cost to the environment fossil fuels are already far more expensive than renewables.

I didn't say to ignore those countries, I said we can't force them. Once we show its better they'll follow to keep up.

But to keep chopping off our own nose just because China and Russia are as well is kind of stupid.
 
tlongII said:
Not to mention that the primary impetus for getting us off fossil fuels is to combat climate change. If China, India, and Russia are still burning fossil fuels what good does it do if we aren't?
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Again, they'll follow once we're getting cheap clean energy.

Especially if we institute a carbon tax and dividend including goods and services. Then Chinese, Russian, and Indian products will be far more expensive than more responsible countries, and they'll lose the US market.
 
donkiez said:
Yes I used to love that game. Currently Ukraine is rolling 6s, let's hope it makes Putin rage quit.

My strategy was to always take Australia first so I could get a foothold into Asia. Australia was so easy to defend and the troop bonus helped a lot early.
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the only problem is Asia is fools gold. I’ll get stuck trying to take it, too many fronts and nobody wants you to get those extra troops for Asia.

I like to get Australia for the extra troops and try and take South America lol
 
ehizzy3 said:
the only problem is Asia is fools gold. I’ll get stuck trying to take it, too many fronts and nobody wants you to get those extra troops for Asia.

I like to get Australia for the extra troops and try and take South America lol
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My family has an annual risk game every thanksgiving. There is a championship belt and everything, I shit you not. Australia is the place to be. Or if you can lock down all the Americas.
 
tlongII said:
Sorry dude, but I don't think that's possible. At least not for 15-20 years...perhaps longer.
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Certainly any new vehicles and equipment should be using alternative energy sources in 10 years.

We're not going to be able to outlaw older vehicles, but yeah, if we get on it, there is no reason not.

Though most older vehicles could be converted to run on hydrogen or biofuels...
 
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