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Fairly-Hard said:
Again no answer. Again a snarky comeback that just proves you don’t have the ability to comprehend the issues.
Thanks for clarifying.
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We could be involved in a conflict every 5 years and you’d probably still beat your chest over it every time.
Oh wait, we are. And you do.
 
Phatguysrule said:
I simply disagree. Ending the war as fast as possible would be allowing Putin to steamroll Ukraine and take it over.

Not an option.
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But if Putin is hell bent on taking more than Ukraine, while America is pushing to bog Russia down in a prolonged war so as to deplete Russia's resources. This leaves no option for a peaceful way out. This logic that we see two people in a knife fight and therefore must send them guns and missiles, is insane logic, in my opinion. It only leads us down the path to further conflict.

Like I said before. If Putin is truly crazy, we are already in WWIII, and nothing that we do now, short of taking him out ourselves, or through his inner circle somehow, is going to stop anything that is about to happen next.

Alright, I think we have come to an impasse. I'll leave it here. Take it easy.
 
Road Ratt said:
But if Putin is hell bent on taking more than Ukraine, while America is pushing to bog Russia down in a prolonged war so as to deplete Russia's resources. This leaves no option for a peaceful way out. This logic that we see two people in a knife fight and therefore must send them guns and missiles, is insane logic, in my opinion. It only leads us down the path to further conflict.

Like I said before. If Putin is truly crazy, we are already in WWIII, and nothing that we do now, short of taking him out ourselves, or through his inner circle somehow, is going to stop anything that is about to happen next.

Alright, I think we have come to an impasse. I'll leave it here. Take it easy.
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But I'm not claiming Putin is crazy. He's being very logical based on his county's economic and demographic situation. The problem is that he's built such a corrupt system that it's falling apart and he cannot actually execute their logical next steps if Ukraine can fight back.

The US helping Ukraine kills Russia's current corrupt system faster, hopefully making them less of a problem on the world stage sooner.
 
This situation reminds me a bit of Japan in the late 1930s.

They needed more resources. The Army favored attacking north into Manchuria, Mongolia, and Siberia. The Navy advocated a southern attack, seizing territory from Holland, Britain, and the US. For various reasons, the Navy prevailed. The quest for resources was logical. The attack on Pearl Harbor was logical, based on their warped views of anglo civilizations. It was also an irrational act of national suicide. Rational goals wedded to irrational hubris in methods.

Sound familiar?
 
oldmangrouch said:
This situation reminds me a bit of Japan in the late 1930s.

They needed more resources. The Army favored attacking north into Manchuria, Mongolia, and Siberia. The Navy advocated a southern attack, seizing territory from Holland, Britain, and the US. For various reasons, the Navy prevailed. The quest for resources was logical. The attack on Pearl Harbor was logical, based on their warped views of anglo civilizations. It was also an irrational act of national suicide. Rational goals wedded to irrational hubris in methods.

Sound familiar?
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So if we continue to arm Ukraine they're going to eventually attack Hawaii?
 
SlyPokerDog said:
So if we continue to arm Ukraine they're going to eventually attack Hawaii?
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When and if they attack a NATO nation, a sneak attack on the US is almost a given. IMHO, our best chance is to bleed them so bad in Ukraine they take Putler out and replace him with somebody willing to actually negotiate.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
He doesn’t have one. He only has contempt for anyone and anything that might make a difference.
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What difference? We’ve been doing the same script with the same actors for 70 years and only caused more problems everywhere we’ve gone. Where’s the big difference? All the shit we’re giving to Ukraine will probably just fall into hands of they next boogeyman we decide is our enemy in ten years.
 
jonnyboy said:
What difference? We’ve been doing the same script with the same actors for 70 years and only caused more problems everywhere we’ve gone. Where’s the big difference? All the shit we’re giving to Ukraine will probably just fall into hands of they next boogeyman we decide is our enemy in ten years.
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The rest of the world will be too old to be a threat in 10 years...
 
Keep getting mad, it’s showing. All your arguments boil down to someone being an ungrateful traitor if they are tired of constant intervention and corruption. It’s not 2001, that game is getting worn out. All you have are insults while you accuse someone else of trolling.
 
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Ukrainian Troops Appear To Have Fought All The Way To The Russian Border

Ukrainian forces around Kharkiv, in northeastern Ukraine, appear to have pushed Russian troops east past Ternova, a settlement on the Russian border.

If confirmed, the Ukrainians’ liberation of Ternova could mark an inflection point in Russia’s 10-week-old wider war in Ukraine. In late March, Ukrainian forces drove Russian invaders from northern Ukraine. Now it appears they’re driving the invaders from northeastern Ukraine, too.

Heavy fighting continues around Izium, south of Kharkiv—and also around Kherson on Ukraine’s Black Sea coast. The Russians late last month briefly advanced around Kherson before stalling out. And Russian battalions more recently have captured a few settlements around Izium.

But those Russian gains are in jeopardy owing to Ukrainian gains around Kharkiv, a city of 1.4 million just 25 miles from Russia. As the Russian front collapses around Kharkiv, it could free up powerful Ukrainian brigades to push south, toward Izium, potentially tipping the fighting there in Kyiv’s favor.

https://www.forbes.com/sites/davida...he-way-to-the-russian-border/?sh=70f1f9944409
 
SlyPokerDog said:
Downed Russian fighter jets are being found with basic GPS 'taped to the dashboards,' UK defense minister says



    • Russia is taping basic GPS devices to its fighter jets' dashboards, the UK's defense minister said.
    • Ben Wallace said this was due to "the poor quality" of Russia's own navigation systems.
    • Russia's military hardware, much of which appears outdated, is being tested as the invasion drags on.

Wrecked Russian fighter jets are being found with rudimentary GPS receivers "taped to the dashboards" in Ukraine because their inbuilt navigation systems are so bad, the UK's defense secretary, Ben Wallace, said.

Speaking at the National Army Museum in London Monday, Wallace commemorated those who died in World War II and called Russia's invasion of Ukraine "senseless and self-defeating."

He added that there was evidence suggesting Russian military hardware was being pushed to breaking point by the invasion of Ukraine.

"'GPS' receivers have been found taped to the dashboards of downed Russian Su-34s so the pilots knew where they were, due to the poor quality of their own systems," he said.

"The result is that whilst Russia have large amounts of artillery and armor that they like parading, they are unable to leverage them for combined arms maneuver and just resort to mass indiscriminate barrages," he added.

The Su-34 was first manufactured in the Soviet Union in the early 1990s but is still one of Russia's leading fighter jets.

Ukraine has shared abundant evidence of what it says are Russia's attempts to patch over issues with old military equipment and bypass equipment shortages.

Last month, Ukrainian troops paraded what they said was a Russian drone that had been covered in duct tape and fitted with a generic plastic bottle top for a fuel cap. In March, Ukrainian troops found what appeared to be Russian army bandages dating to 1978 discarded on a battlefield.

In his Monday speech, Wallace said Russian vehicles "are frequently found with 1980s paper maps of Ukraine in them" and that soldiers were using "pine logs as makeshift protection on logistical trucks" and attaching "overhead 'cope cages' to their tanks."

Russia held its annual Victory Day military parade in Moscow on Monday but canceled the air force flyby over what it said was bad weather.

https://www.businessinsider.com/rus...-2022-5?utm_source=feedly&utm_medium=webfeeds
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I can see the pilots now listening to the gps...

In a 100 feet turn left

Rerouting

Make a u -turn

Rerouting

Turn right

Rerouting

Turn left rerouting
 
In a war crimes trial, a Russian soldier pleads guilty to killing a Ukrainian civilian

When was the last war crimes trial? I remember reading of some absolute atrocities committed during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but don't recall a war crimes trial. Maybe I am just forgetting, or the stuff I've read about the Nuremburg trials over the years have overshadowed. Idk, but it is a bit reassuring to see these maniacs questioned and sentenced.
 
  1. Don't forget Serbia and Rwanda
Shaboid said:
In a war crimes trial, a Russian soldier pleads guilty to killing a Ukrainian civilian

When was the last war crimes trial? I remember reading of some absolute atrocities committed during the Iraq and Afghanistan wars, but don't recall a war crimes trial. Maybe I am just forgetting, or the stuff I've read about the Nuremburg trials over the years have overshadowed. Idk, but it is a bit reassuring to see these maniacs questioned and sentenced.
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Rwanda and Serbia resulted in conviction at International Court.
 
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