Politics Ukraine / Russia (2 Viewers)

[Hoopguru]

If Russians invade besides the tragic loss of life again American arms will be the hands of our ememies.
Nato should be supplying all the Arms/cash/ supplie to another European country.

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[THE HCP]

Can somebody give me a Reader’s Digest about what’s going on here? I don’t stay up to speed on this shit.

 

[THE HCP]

I did use to shoot those AT4s in the Army and were a fucking blast though, I DO know that!

 

[Road Ratt]

Exactly. It’s amazing how Americans can watch CNN and not realize they are watching state-run media. They are literally sponsored by military weapons manufacturers while constantly pushing a pro intervention narrative. But yeah, look at those guys over there with their scary brainwashing propaganda.

It is exactly the same on both sides. Democrats denounce Fox as fake news while watching CNN, and republicans denounce CNN as fake news while watching Fox. Yet neither side will denounce their own news sources as fake news. The same goes for their party/candidate. Both sides can tell you who the corrupt members are in the other party, yet won't police their own party, at all. The bias is thick, on both sides. Yet neither side cares to see it.

 

[jonnyboy]

Can somebody give me a Reader’s Digest about what’s going on here? I don’t stay up to speed on this shit.

We’re sending troops to protect corporate interests in a a part of the world we should have no business in.

 

[donkiez]

Can somebody give me a Reader’s Digest about what’s going on here? I don’t stay up to speed on this shit.

Ukraine is fucked. Everyone is worried it will escalate into a broader regional war but most likely the EU and the USA will stay of of it and let Russia have the Ukraine but will just arm Ukraine to the teeth so that Russia takes heavy losses. Without arming Ukraine, Russia has a major air and tank advantage. Ukraine has been begging for the west for weapons for a long time to counter Russian superiority, and now they are getting them. Troops are being built up in Belarus and Russia side from the Russians. In Poland from the US and EU. Germany is suspiciously quiet about all this because they are completely reliant on Russian natural gas and will have a major energy crisis is Russia cuts them off, but will most likely join in if shit hits the fan. Geopolitics are not really about what right and wrong, it's about what benefits your side and country without costing too much. Truth is Ukraine should probably never of been split from Russia but Stalin wanted some extra states for international influence reasons, but now the Ukraine is their own place with a strong proud people and heritage so it's pretty sad to watch. Also I believe a lot of Russian gas and oil pipelines go through the Ukraine so Russia views this as protecting their economic interests, especially since the Russian economy is in the toilet and completely reliant on their oil and gas exports.

 

[Phatguysrule]

If Russians invade besides the tragic loss of life again American arms will be the hands of our ememies.
Nato should be supplying all the Arms/cash/ supplie to another European country.

Americans supplying the troops, arms, cash is how we keep soft power with our allies.

That influence almost certainly profits us more than we spend.

 

[Hoopguru]

Americans supplying the troops, arms, cash is how we keep soft power with our allies.

That influence almost certainly profits us more than we spend.

Our allies are pretty soft themselves. Germany is so reliant on Russia for ng so they will stand in the back ground.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Our allies are pretty soft themselves. Germany is so reliant on Russia for ng so they will stand in the back ground.

This problem could be solved in a fairly straight forward way. We could ship it to them temporarily, then they just need to build out nuclear.

It's not easy but it's certainly a solvable problem.

 

[Lanny]

Our allies are pretty soft themselves. Germany is so reliant on Russia for ng so they will stand in the back ground.

Germany is prepared to get their natural gas elsewhere should Russia invade Ukraine and the pipeline gets shutoff in response.

 

[Hoopguru]

Germany is prepared to get their natural gas elsewhere should Russia invade Ukraine and the pipeline gets shutoff in response.

Russia needs all the income they can get, so hopefully they will back off.

 

[Road Ratt]

Russia Ukraine Tensions Build Amidst U.S. Troop Deployment, Stirring Up Tensions.

 

[Hoopguru]

If Russia feels that strongly about Ukraine joining NATO they discourage them too for the sake of lives and keeping them from invasion.
Call their bluff, tell them move their troops away from Border and leave us alone and we will not join NATO. Then we need to get the troops we deployed back home. Let NATO step up over and beyond for once.

 

[DUB]

US claims evidence of Moscow plan for 'false flag' Ukrainian attack

The Pentagon said Thursday it had evidence of a plan by Moscow to film a fake Ukrainian attack on Russians to justify a real assault on its pro-West neighbor.

Kirby said part of the plan would be to make the Ukrainian military equipment used in it appear to be supplied by the West, he said, further justifying Russian reprisals against Ukraine.

 

[Lanny]

If Russia feels that strongly about Ukraine joining NATO they discourage them too for the sake of lives and keeping them from invasion.
Call their bluff, tell them move their troops away from Border and leave us alone and we will not join NATO. Then we need to get the troops we deployed back home. Let NATO step up over and beyond for once.

Send in NATO troops in significant numbers into Ukraine. You'd have to be an idiot to attack 100,000 well armed NATO troops. Imagine the fire power of German Leopard, British Challenger and American M1-A2 tanks not to mention F35A Lightening IIs and F22 Raptors and all of our other more modern weaponry.

 

[Hoopguru]

Send in NATO troops in significant numbers into Ukraine. You'd have to be an idiot to attack 100,000 well armed NATO troops. Imagine the fire power of German Leopard, British Challenger and American M1-A2 tanks not to mention F35A Lightening IIs and F22 Raptors and all of our other more modern weaponry.

Yeah, Nato should lead any charge. But if there is a war in Eastern Europe it's bad news for the world.

 

[ABM]

Yeah, Nato should lead any charge. But if there is a war in Eastern Europe it's bad news for the world.

I need to pull out our Risk game.

 

[ABM]

Enter: China

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...akes-for-biden-by-backing-moscow-against-west

China ups stakes for Biden by backing Moscow against West

PARIS (AFP) - China's support for Russia in the standoff over Ukraine upends the strategic calculus for US President Joe Biden, who must now contend with a second front in a geopolitical fight whose ramifications could be felt worldwide.

By criticising on Friday (Feb 4) Washington's alleged destabilising policies in both Eastern Europe and the Asia-Pacific region, Beijing and Moscow indicated that sanctions alone would not deter their bids to play larger roles on the global stage.

Appearing publicly as the Beijing Olympics opened, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping showed an "enhanced commitment to make the world safe for authoritarianism, in particular in former socialist countries," said Steve Tsang, a political scientist at the SOAS University of London.....

 

[donkiez]

Enter: China

https://www.straitstimes.com/asia/e...akes-for-biden-by-backing-moscow-against-west

China ups stakes for Biden by backing Moscow against West

PARIS (AFP) - China's support for Russia in the standoff over Ukraine upends the strategic calculus for US President Joe Biden, who must now contend with a second front in a geopolitical fight whose ramifications could be felt worldwide.

By criticising on Friday (Feb 4) Washington's alleged destabilising policies in both Eastern Europe and the Asia-Pacific region, Beijing and Moscow indicated that sanctions alone would not deter their bids to play larger roles on the global stage.

Appearing publicly as the Beijing Olympics opened, Russian President Vladimir Putin and his Chinese counterpart Xi Jinping showed an "enhanced commitment to make the world safe for authoritarianism, in particular in former socialist countries," said Steve Tsang, a political scientist at the SOAS University of London.....

Ive been kind of worried China might use this as a excuse to make a play for Taiwan. I think everyone is waiting for the end of the Olympics then shit could really hit the fan.

 

[ABM]

Ive been kind of worried China might use this as a excuse to make a play for Taiwan. I think everyone is waiting for the end of the Olympics then shit could really hit the fan.

I know. Me, too. I thought I heard them say during the Olympics last evening that China is backing Russia on the Ukraine thing, while Russia is backing China on the Taiwan thing, and that they're both (effectively) against NATO and the US.

 

[donkiez]

I know. Me, too. I thought I heard them say during the Olympics last evening that China is backing Russia on the Ukraine thing, while Russia is backing China on the Taiwan thing, and that they're both (effectively) against NATO and the US.

you heard right.

 

[Road Ratt]

'The Reality Is – They're Winning': GOP Congresswoman Says China Dominates In STEM Graduates.

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

Wondering why the market just took a massive dump

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[EL PRESIDENTE]

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[BigGameDamian]

I wonder what Steven Seagal is up to?

 

[Phatguysrule]

I wonder what Steven Seagal is up to?

Probably giving Putin a hand job...

 

[stampedehero]

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