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Don't have an update today so just want to cover a couple things. To get people to vote in their phony referendums, registrars are taking the ballot right to people's apartments, accompanied by two armed soldiers. That's really gonna result in a fair vote, isn't it?
I think that alm ost everyone has to see now that russian tactics are at least as bad as Nazis were. We have all the bodies in Izium showing signs of execution torture and several male corpses obviously castrated. Showing a photo of a released POW and will include an account of one civilian telling the extent of severity of torture.

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https://kyivindependent.com/nationa...UlYsRu2qxfBEjFiJgnh4bg-fCuuaNPFpWU-KV5-7YOREE
 
Actually I don't think russian mobilization is having many problems. Protests are very small and vandalism very little. Many videos of buses and planes loading up with "recruits". Ukraine's president encouraging them to resist, sabotage and surrender to Ukraine forces.
Day 213. Russian partial mobilization efforts are suffering from serious and systemic problems in their first days. Protests, attacks against recruiting centers, and vandalism reported across Russia in the first 48 hours after the announcement of partial mobilization. Ukrainian forces continued to advance north and northwest of Lyman. Ukrainian forces continued their interdiction campaign in Kherson Oblast and maintained operational silence regarding this front. Russian forces continued to launch unsuccessful assaults near Bakhmut and northwest of Donetsk City. Iranian drones reported over the Dnipro and Odesa. In the occupied territories, pseudo-referendums are held at gunpoint. The exhumation of 447 bodies from the mass grave in Izium, Kharkiv Oblast, is completed.
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
It's a major escalation because it means Russia will consider these regions as part of Russia in their nuclear doctrine. Putin is setting the stage to use nukes.
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Using nukes would be suicide. He's bluffing and trying to make it seem like the west is threatening to use nukes. But if nukes weren't a consideration Russia would have no chance at all.
 
Each move by Putin is in reqction to something that Ukraine does. The high powered and accurate weapons that Ukraine has have been devastating to his armies, so he has to come up with the sham referendum and threatening nuclear attack if they are attacked. However Ukraine has already for months attacked inside russia with their own artillery and one daring helicopter raid.
Ukraine has come up with a very comprehensive program to help Ru soldiers defect so now Puten reacts with severer punitive measures. However will they care about that if they can stay in Ukraine forever or if they believe Putin will be gone relatively soon?
Day 214. Russia’s nuclear doctrine will apply to “new” territories, said the Russian foreign affairs minister. Enemy kamikaze drones attack Odesa center. Ukrainian forces strike the Russian Guard base in Kherson. Putin signs law stipulating ten years behind bars for desertion and surrender. Zelenskyy has stated that Ukraine guarantees captured Russian soldiers civilized treatment, confidentiality with regard to the circumstances of their surrender, and the opportunity not to return to Russia. Russians launch a massive missile attack on Zaporizhzhia. Russian passports and mobilization notices are issued during the pseudo-referendum in the Luhansk region.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
This will be the most difficult decision that Biden admin will ever have to make. Will he let Ru know, either publicly or privately, what will be the exact consequences of any kind of nuclear attack?

Appears that Biden has already made this decision:
The US authorities told Moscow "at a very high level" that the consequences of Russia's use of nuclear weapons would have catastrophic consequences, and Washington would give a decisive response. This was stated by Jake Sullivan, US President Joe Biden's national security assistant.













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This was stated by Jake Sullivan, US President Joe Biden's national security assistant.
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Some clarity on what USA and allies are saying. Thought it might be worth posting cuz this is really getting down to the nitty-gritty.

“We have communicated directly, privately at very high levels to the Kremlin that any use of nuclear weapons will be met with catastrophic consequences for Russia, that the United States and our allies will respond decisively, and we have been clear and specific about what that will entail,”

US president Joe Biden has said that if Putin uses nuclear weapons, Washington’s response would be “consequential . . . depending on the extent of what they do will determine what response would occur”. Three of the five officials said that Nato member states have also communicated that message privately to Moscow, highlighting the scale of the response that any use of nuclear weapons would trigger. They suggested this threat of retaliation would continue to be the best deterrent.

https://www.ft.com/content/e7212f93-6635-40eb-a356-c8e1bb14cea3?shareType=nongift
 
GriLtCheeZ said:
It's a major escalation because it means Russia will consider these regions as part of Russia in their nuclear doctrine. Putin is setting the stage to use nukes.
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Putin wouldn't dare use nukes. He's nothing but a blustering fool and knows what should and would happen when we retaliated.
 
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Lanny said:
Putin wouldn't dare use nukes. He's nothing but a blustering fool and knows what would happen should and would happen when we retaliated.
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That’s what would happen. The US would enter the war. I’m thinking pretty much the entire world would condemn it and Russia would never recover.
 
Lanny said:
It's hard to see the distant future. It takes all my mighty brain power to see that much.
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It's the natural progression of things. When a nation fails it splinters into smaller parts. Like the Soviet Union. And China soon.
 
Despite protests, the mobilization seems to have met it's goals in all regions of russia. 300,000 new recruits, many being sent to the front without training. The second mobilization will be tougher. By then I think Ukraine will have killed another 50-80, 000 and people will have more time to organize.

Day 215. More than 40 settlements were affected by enemy fire, including Zaporizhzhia, Mykolaiv, and Odesa. Iranian drones attack the Dnipro and Odesa. Sham referendums are held in the occupied territories. Mobilized Russian men arrive at military bases. Protests against forced mobilization continue in Russia. In Dagestan, the protests are gaining momentum. 2.500 Ukrainians are in Russian captivity, including civilians and many women. The 8th package of EU sanctions might not include the restriction of oil prices.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Despite protests, the mobilization seems to have met it's goals in all regions of russia. 300,000 new recruits, many being sent to the front without training. The second mobilization will be tougher. By then I think Ukraine will have killed another 50-80, 000 and people will have more time to organize.

Day 215. More than 40 settlements were affected by enemy fire, including Zaporizhzhia, Mykolaiv, and Odesa. Iranian drones attack the Dnipro and Odesa. Sham referendums are held in the occupied territories. Mobilized Russian men arrive at military bases. Protests against forced mobilization continue in Russia. In Dagestan, the protests are gaining momentum. 2.500 Ukrainians are in Russian captivity, including civilians and many women. The 8th package of EU sanctions might not include the restriction of oil prices.
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So they sent in the national guard? In the United States the national guard is kind of a weekend warrior group that has some that are specialists in certain areas but hardly the stellar fighting force you want to deploy heavily. Very few in the national guard have the stomach for combat.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
So they sent in the national guard? In the United States the national guard is kind of a weekend warrior group that has some that are specialists in certain areas but hardly the stellar fighting force you want to deploy heavily. Very few in the national guard have the stomach for combat.
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Pretty similar but USA national guard has regular trainings. From what I have read most of these guys have not had any training for years. And they are not taking complete units but just throwing different individuals together.
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
Pretty similar but USA national guard has regular trainings. From what I have read most of these guys have not had any training for years. And they are not taking complete units but just throwing different individuals together.
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The US National Guard units do indeed train once a year. They are supposed to stay up to speed at least a bit. Some are good I’m sure.
 
Fairly-Hard said:
The US National Guard units do indeed train once a year. They are supposed to stay up to speed at least a bit. Some are good I’m sure.
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It may be because I have 3 immediate family members in the National Guard in full time positions, or because I've have many family members in; combat readiness, combat zones, or activated during my life life, but I feel a little disappointed in your responses here. We can talk about this in pm if you'd like.

You are right, every guardsmen or guardswomen's contract (generally) is 1 weekend a month and 2 weeks annual training a year. They serve more than that.

Edit to update my gendering of anyone. Was not intentional. I've also had gaurdswomen in my family.
 
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When will Steven Seagal command the Russian Army damnit! Putin loves him and everybody knows he can't run!
 
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