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def some shenanigans going on here.....
 
This is one of the most fucked up things I've ever seen. When the POWs were released from Vietnam, those of us who protested the war were glad the war was over & they were home, but did not like the flag-waving hoopla, believing, accurately, that it was designed to undercut antiwar sentiment. But NO ONE in the peace movement said leave them where they are. Now all these super duper booper war lovers (bomb Iran! Invade Syria! Invade Libya!) who never served are saying that Sgt. Bergdahl should have been left to rot. Four months ago Sen. McCain said on CNN he'd be willing to negotiate to trade Taliban for Bergdahl, how he says the opposite. Three weeks ago Pajamas Media, ultra conservative web site, was demanding readers contact Pres. Obama and tell him to do whatever it took to get Bergdahl back, now they have deleted that page. Two days ago Cong. Terry of Idaho called Bergdahl an American hero and another Republican candidate said thoughts and prayers with him & his family. Now the hero and the prayers are deleted. Because they must all march in lockstep.

The military has always had the policy of not leaving members behind.

So tell me, you Olympian moralists, who decides if an American POW is "worthy" of release? Obviously not the Commander in Chief, at least if he/she is not your party. Or the Pentagon, or the military leadership. Who? Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? Bill O'Reilly? PapaG?

How far do you carry this? Should ER doctors evaluate if a bleeding patient is moral enough for treatment? Should emergency crews leave behind people in natural disasters who were not moral enough? Should rescue leave hikers and skiers who did not follow rules to die? Should highway patrol not respond to accidents if the driver was at fault?

Jesus fucking Christ on a fucking cross! Court martial the guy if after investigation he's found to have committed infractions. Send him to the fucking brig. How the FUCK do you fucking uber Americans decide to leave an American solider to rot in a Taliban prison? Just who is spitting at returning soldiers?

This is a fucking Swift Boat PR campaign organized by an aide to John Bolton, abetted by traitors on Fox "news".
 
crandc said:
This is one of the most fucked up things I've ever seen. When the POWs were released from Vietnam, those of us who protested the war were glad the war was over & they were home, but did not like the flag-waving hoopla, believing, accurately, that it was designed to undercut antiwar sentiment. But NO ONE in the peace movement said leave them where they are. Now all these super duper booper war lovers (bomb Iran! Invade Syria! Invade Libya!) who never served are saying that Sgt. Bergdahl should have been left to rot. Four months ago Sen. McCain said on CNN he'd be willing to negotiate to trade Taliban for Bergdahl, how he says the opposite. Three weeks ago Pajamas Media, ultra conservative web site, was demanding readers contact Pres. Obama and tell him to do whatever it took to get Bergdahl back, now they have deleted that page. Two days ago Cong. Terry of Idaho called Bergdahl an American hero and another Republican candidate said thoughts and prayers with him & his family. Now the hero and the prayers are deleted. Because they must all march in lockstep.

The military has always had the policy of not leaving members behind.

So tell me, you Olympian moralists, who decides if an American POW is "worthy" of release? Obviously not the Commander in Chief, at least if he/she is not your party. Or the Pentagon, or the military leadership. Who? Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? Bill O'Reilly? PapaG?

How far do you carry this? Should ER doctors evaluate if a bleeding patient is moral enough for treatment? Should emergency crews leave behind people in natural disasters who were not moral enough? Should rescue leave hikers and skiers who did not follow rules to die? Should highway patrol not respond to accidents if the driver was at fault?

Jesus fucking Christ on a fucking cross! Court martial the guy if after investigation he's found to have committed infractions. Send him to the fucking brig. How the FUCK do you fucking uber Americans decide to leave an American solider to rot in a Taliban prison? Just who is spitting at returning soldiers?

This is a fucking Swift Boat PR campaign organized by an aide to John Bolton, abetted by traitors on Fox "news".
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I have no issue with trying to get this piece of shit out of a Taliban prison. I have a problem with us trading 5 high ranking Taliban officers for him.

Negotiating with terrorists is the single worst thing to do.

For you not to see that is a you problem
 
crandc said:
This is one of the most fucked up things I've ever seen. When the POWs were released from Vietnam, those of us who protested the war were glad the war was over & they were home, but did not like the flag-waving hoopla, believing, accurately, that it was designed to undercut antiwar sentiment. But NO ONE in the peace movement said leave them where they are. Now all these super duper booper war lovers (bomb Iran! Invade Syria! Invade Libya!) who never served are saying that Sgt. Bergdahl should have been left to rot. Four months ago Sen. McCain said on CNN he'd be willing to negotiate to trade Taliban for Bergdahl, how he says the opposite. Three weeks ago Pajamas Media, ultra conservative web site, was demanding readers contact Pres. Obama and tell him to do whatever it took to get Bergdahl back, now they have deleted that page. Two days ago Cong. Terry of Idaho called Bergdahl an American hero and another Republican candidate said thoughts and prayers with him & his family. Now the hero and the prayers are deleted. Because they must all march in lockstep.

The military has always had the policy of not leaving members behind.

So tell me, you Olympian moralists, who decides if an American POW is "worthy" of release? Obviously not the Commander in Chief, at least if he/she is not your party. Or the Pentagon, or the military leadership. Who? Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? Bill O'Reilly? PapaG?

How far do you carry this? Should ER doctors evaluate if a bleeding patient is moral enough for treatment? Should emergency crews leave behind people in natural disasters who were not moral enough? Should rescue leave hikers and skiers who did not follow rules to die? Should highway patrol not respond to accidents if the driver was at fault?

Jesus fucking Christ on a fucking cross! Court martial the guy if after investigation he's found to have committed infractions. Send him to the fucking brig. How the FUCK do you fucking uber Americans decide to leave an American solider to rot in a Taliban prison? Just who is spitting at returning soldiers?

This is a fucking Swift Boat PR campaign organized by an aide to John Bolton, abetted by traitors on Fox "news".
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Damn wow.

For the record. I personally think he should have been brought back. I also think we should have implanted the Taliban release members with tracking devices so that we could have launched a directed strike on them when they thought they were "safe". :)

The shenanigans above I speak of are just of the political type. Stupid shit for stupid reasons.
 
crandc said:
This is a fucking Swift Boat PR campaign organized by an aide to John Bolton, abetted by traitors on Fox "news".
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So the soldiers who served with him and are saying he deserted are all liars?

What a piece of shit post. You should be ashamed of yourself. First you mockingly call these soldiers "superpatriots" for daring to courageously speak up, even after some of their brothers were killed looking for this deserter, and now you basically are calling them political operatives. The US as far back as 2010 considered Bergdahl to be a deserter, and stopped looking for him. You wouldn't know this, though, because you receive your news from the White House spin machine.

Disgusting.
 
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Mediocre Man said:
I have no issue with trying to get this piece of shit out of a Taliban prison. I have a problem with us trading 5 high ranking Taliban officers for him.

Negotiating with terrorists is the single worst thing to do.

For you not to see that is a you problem
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The most outrageous thing crandc is posting is where she is accusing the brave soldiers who served with this piece of shit, and who lost brothers searching for this piece of shit, of lying. Opinions like that are typical of the far, far left, though, so I can't say I'm surprised. Maybe if a few of the soldiers speaking out now come out as gay, she'll support them and stop calling them liars.
 
crandc said:
This is one of the most fucked up things I've ever seen. When the POWs were released from Vietnam, those of us who protested the war were glad the war was over & they were home, but did not like the flag-waving hoopla, believing, accurately, that it was designed to undercut antiwar sentiment. But NO ONE in the peace movement said leave them where they are. Now all these super duper booper war lovers (bomb Iran! Invade Syria! Invade Libya!) who never served are saying that Sgt. Bergdahl should have been left to rot. Four months ago Sen. McCain said on CNN he'd be willing to negotiate to trade Taliban for Bergdahl, how he says the opposite. Three weeks ago Pajamas Media, ultra conservative web site, was demanding readers contact Pres. Obama and tell him to do whatever it took to get Bergdahl back, now they have deleted that page. Two days ago Cong. Terry of Idaho called Bergdahl an American hero and another Republican candidate said thoughts and prayers with him & his family. Now the hero and the prayers are deleted. Because they must all march in lockstep.

The military has always had the policy of not leaving members behind.

So tell me, you Olympian moralists, who decides if an American POW is "worthy" of release? Obviously not the Commander in Chief, at least if he/she is not your party. Or the Pentagon, or the military leadership. Who? Sarah Palin? Donald Trump? Bill O'Reilly? PapaG?

How far do you carry this? Should ER doctors evaluate if a bleeding patient is moral enough for treatment? Should emergency crews leave behind people in natural disasters who were not moral enough? Should rescue leave hikers and skiers who did not follow rules to die? Should highway patrol not respond to accidents if the driver was at fault?

Jesus fucking Christ on a fucking cross! Court martial the guy if after investigation he's found to have committed infractions. Send him to the fucking brig. How the FUCK do you fucking uber Americans decide to leave an American solider to rot in a Taliban prison? Just who is spitting at returning soldiers?

This is a fucking Swift Boat PR campaign organized by an aide to John Bolton, abetted by traitors on Fox "news".
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I just read this again, and I'm literally dumber for doing so. Was there a single simplistic talking point that was missed in this anger-driven joke of a post?
 
crandc, were you one of those who were spitting on non-deserting troops when they returned from Vietnam, or was that just the rest of your hippie-dippy friends?

Or are you only figuratively spitting on the soldiers who are right now speaking of their first-hand accounts regarding this piece of shit deserter? Funny how you get all upset about Bergdahl being called a deserter by those who served with him, while on the flip side accusing those speaking out of being liars abetted by "traitors."

Obama fucked up, again. Lashing out at troops telling the truth isn't going to change it, and it will only make it worse.
 
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crandc, you do realize that the idea of a "court martial" is to find out if "infractions" were "committed." It's a trial, not a punishment.

If the court martial proves guilt, then the punishment is meted out. The "court martial" isn't the punishment.

What a dopey post.
 
Bergdahl had deserted once before, according to classified military files leaked to Military Times. Did the FauxNews traitors make this up, too, crandc?

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...tan-classified-report-reveals-wasnt-time.html

Bergdahl had deserted before & officers KNEW he was a risk: Classified report reveals Army’s fears..

A U.S. Army investigation found that Bowe Bergdahl had walked away from his post at least once before his capture - and that other soldiers in his unit knew he was a flight risk.

The 2010 report, called an AR15-6, is still classified, but it appears to confirm allegations that the former prisoner of war violated military regulations - and that the Pentagon knew it all along.

The revelation, attributed to anonymous sources by the Military Times, comes as the nation's top general, Chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff Martin Dempsey, acknowledged the growing cloud of suspicion hanging over Bergdahl.

The Military Times report says that investigators who looked into the June 2009 capture of Bergdahl found that several soldiers from his unit said he had talked openly about wanting to leave the forward operating base where he was stationed.


Read more: http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...-report-reveals-wasnt-time.html#ixzz33gyanuK8
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A U.S. Army investigation found that Bowe Bergdahl had walked away from his post at least once before his capture - and that other soldiers in his unit knew he was a flight risk.
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The affair has nothing to do with the deserter, he is just a convenient distraction for a President that is flaunting the Constitution in the face of the American people or at least those that care. This is about dumping the the prisoner in Gitmo regardless of the law, separations of powers, and history. We have never released War Criminals before or sent enemy combatants back to to the battle field before the war has been concluded.

I expect to see more released without consent of Congress before long and only time will tell what the cost will be. We have a president that has no reqard for the Constitution, the Congress or the American system of government. He appears to be the first President to successfully assume dictatorial power while still in office. He is doing it not at all unlike Adolf Hitler, by decree and unilateral power of his pen.

Forget about Bergdahl, he is simply a convenient tool for the Fuhrer. Even more convenient since you have not heard of his uncaring mismanagement of the VA in several days now
 
MarAzul said:
The affair has nothing to do with the deserter, he is just a convenient distraction for a President that is flaunting the Constitution in the face of the American people or at least those that care. This is about dumping the the prisoner in Gitmo regardless of the law, separations of powers, and history. We have never released War Criminals before or sent enemy combatants back to to the battle field before the war has been concluded.

I expect to see more released without consent of Congress before long and only time will tell what the cost will be. We have a president that has no reqard for the Constitution, the Congress or the American system of government. He appears to be the first President to successfully assume dictatorial power while still in office. He is doing it not at all unlike Adolf Hitler, by decree and unilateral power of his pen.

Forget about Bergdahl, he is simply a convenient tool for the Fuhrer. Even more convenient since you have not heard of his uncaring mismanagement of the VA in several days now
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You are comparing Obama to Hitler? Really?
 
MarAzul said:
Which dictator do you find comparable?
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Hitler is the definition of evil with his regime killing over 10 million people. There is so much evil that is associated with Hitler it is sad, and quite frankly ignorant, that you think Hitler is a good comparison to Obama.
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Hitler is the definition of evil with his regime killing over 10 million people. There is so much evil that is associated with Hitler it is sad, and quite frankly ignorant, that you think Hitler is a good comparison to Obama.
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Oh my! Did I offend you? Well ok then Hitler was and evil dictator and what? Do we now have a benevolent dictator? Golly that's cool! Well which benevolent dictator do you find comparable?
 
MarAzul said:
Oh my! Did I offend you? Well ok then Hitler was and evil dictator and what? Do we now have a benevolent dictator? Golly that's cool! Well which benevolent dictator do you find comparable?
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It kind of was offensive MA. I don't care about Obama, but your comparison just cheapens how evil Hitler really was. I mean, do you not see that? Do you not see that comparing someone to Hitler is basically calling someone about the worst thing you can call someone . . . an evil mass murder . .. to the tune of over 10 million in mass murdering. it's like say Obama is like Jeffrey Dahmer because they both ignore the laws (although being compared to Dahmer is 100Xs better than being compared to Hitler)
 
Mediocre Man said:
I for one am completely shocked an innocent North American couple has gone missing in Afghanistan. I mean it's not like we negotiate with terrorists. What do they expect to gain? Er ya

http://news.msn.com/world/ap-exclusive-western-couple-held-in-afghanistan
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I think you are on to something here. In 2012, the Taliban knew Obama was going to try to bring home a marine and would be willing to trade prisoners. So they started kidnapping Americans in 2012 knowing if they wait it out, they will likely get what they want from the US because Obama is the president.

You know the long standing American policy . . . leave no tourist behind. :MARIS61:
 
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So what policy should dictate American action:

Leave no marine behind v. do not negotiate with terrorists

Actually a tough question in my mind . . .
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
It kind of was offensive MA. I don't care about Obama, but your comparison just cheapens how evil Hitler really was. I mean, do you not see that? Do you not see that comparing someone to Hitler is basically calling someone about the worst thing you can call someone . . . an evil mass murder . .. to the tune of over 10 million in mass murdering. it's like say Obama is like Jeffrey Dahmer because they both ignore the laws (although being compared to Dahmer is 100Xs better than being compared to Hitler)
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Look dip stick, I don't give a shit about Hitler, we dealt with him very appropriately. Now we have our own walking that walk and we need to deal with him too, not deflect the issue with mindless outrage
 
Treaty_of_Batum said:
Hitler is the definition of evil with his regime killing over 10 million people.
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A more definition of evil would be each and every human being who obeyed his orders and were the actual murderers in nearly all of those deaths.

Hitler was simply a man demanding that others do his dirty work. The evil ones did, the good ones didn't.
 
MarAzul said:
Look dip stick, I don't give a shit about Hitler, we dealt with him very appropriately. Now we have our own walking that walk and we need to deal with him too, not deflect the issue with mindless outrage
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If you don't want to deflect the issues, stop making stupid posts trying to compare Obama to Hitler, fucking dip stick.
 
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The objective, then, was far greater than merely sing six million unemployed back to work. It was to achieve a total transformation.

This was in accord with a basic principle of Obama's: no power without the freely given approval of the people. He used to say:
"If you can win mastery over the people only by imposing the power of the state, you'd better figure on a nine o'clock curfew."

"I am not a dictator," Obama had often affirmed, "and I never will be. Democracy will be rigorously enforced by my administration."


Authority does not mean tyranny. A tyrant is someone who puts himself in power without the will of the people or against the will of the people.
A democrat is placed in power by the people. But democracy is not limited to a single formula. It may be partisan or parliamentary.
Or it may be authoritarian. The important thing is that the people have wished it, chosen it, established it in its given form.

**I took the liberty of substituting Obama for a very famous Dictator in the above copy of history record.**



Obama's Executive action plan. *********************************

"American workers, including a higher minimum wage and extension of longterm unemployment insurance.

But he also sketched out more than a dozen ways in which he intends to use executive powers to try to boost the economy,
a recognition by the president that he is running out of time to achieve his goals in the face of hardening Republican opposition.

“What I offer tonight is a set of concrete, practical proposals to speed up growth, strengthen the middle class,
and build new ladders of opportunity into the middle class. Some require Congressional action, and I’m eager to work with all of you.
But America does not stand still — and neither will I,” Obama planned to say, according to excerpts released ahead of the speech by the White House.

“So wherever and whenever I can take steps without legislation to expand opportunity for more American families, that’s what I’m going to do.”"

This power has been demonstrated to enclude,

Immigration law enforcement.
Minumum Wage law.
Obama Care,
Colaboration with the enemy
Environmental law/Rules
Probably more.

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Hitlers Executive action plan. *************************************


"Laws may be promulgated by the Reich government apart from the procedures provided for by the Constitution ...

Laws promulgated by the Reich government may deviate from the Constitution provided they do not
change the position of the Reichstag or of the Reichsrat. The powers of the Reich President are not changed.

Laws promulgated by the Reich government will be prepared by the Chancellor and published in the "Official Journal."
Unless otherwise specified, they become effective on the day following publication ...

Treaties concluded by the Reich with foreign states that concern matters of national
legislation do not require ratification by the legislative bodies.
The Reich government is empowered to issue the regulations necessary for their execution. "

At the time this decree was issued, the Nazi's had not killed a single Jew, yet.


The last power statement by the Chancellor seems just like Obama negotiating with the current enemy combatants , unilateral reaching
deal to return their people while still at war is damn close. By law this should have required Congress but they had rejected it
several times in the past The rest also picked up by Obamas gang, picking a chosing which laws to enforce or even altering them by unilateral executive decree.
 
Eastoff said:
http://m.huffpost.com/us/entry/5439644
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I must be missing where the GOP advocated releasing 5 senior Taliban members for Bergdahl. McCain seems to be saying Bergdahl should be back, which he should, to face charges, but that the cost was too high. I also mst have missed where Ayotte said get him back, even if it means releasing Gitmo prisoners.

HuffPo isn't big on nuance, though, along with most partisan political sites, left or right, and the White House and their media are furiously trying to deflect blame for a boneheaded decision that went against the advice of both the intel community and the Pentagon.
 
I bet we've turned at least one of those Taliban fuckers.
 
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