US captive soldier in Afghanistan exchanged for 5 Guantanamo detainees

[PapaG]

Three sentences, and not one of them is accurate! Impressive.

barfo

barfo slinks away again. It's why he made his reputation on what are now lame one-line jokes. He's the Henny Youngman of S2, and it's cute seeing him try to engage in legitimate debate.

 

[barfo]

barfo slinks away again. It's why he made his reputation on what are now lame one-line jokes. He's the Henny Youngman of S2, and it's cute seeing him try to engage in legitimate debate.

I didn't slink away, I got bored. Denny says stuff that isn't true, I point it out, and he ignores it and pretends we both said something else. It gets boring after awhile.

You, on the other hand, aren't even arguing the topic, you are just making ad hominem attacks. That's even more boring, since you aren't any good at it.

barfo

 

[PapaG]

I didn't slink away, I got bored. Denny says stuff that isn't true, I point it out, and he ignores it and pretends we both said something else. It gets boring after awhile.

You, on the other hand, aren't even arguing the topic, you are just making ad hominem attacks. That's even more boring, since you aren't any good at it.

barfo

Why would I argue a topic with someone whose primary role here was trolling me and my daughters via his avatar for years? You're not a serious person. Your posts are jokes.

People closely connected to the Merkley campaign requested those police records be released. You took the report and kept on the Oregon Dems' "War on Women" routine that is going to blow up in your face this fall.

 

[barfo]

Why would I argue a topic with someone whose primary role here was trolling me and my daughters via his avatar for years? You're not a serious person. Your posts are jokes.

People closely connected to the Merkley campaign requested those police records be released. You took the report and kept on the Oregon Dems' "War on Women" routine that is going to blow up in your face this fall.

If by some random chance I come across this post after the election, I will get to laugh at it again.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

I didn't slink away, I got bored. Denny says stuff that isn't true, I point it out, and he ignores it and pretends we both said something else. It gets boring after awhile.

You, on the other hand, aren't even arguing the topic, you are just making ad hominem attacks. That's even more boring, since you aren't any good at it.

barfo

What I wrote was true. You argued against it until the smoking gun.

I don't suggest anyone vote for her, or Merkley. All I've said is the stalking thing is a non issue smokescreen by the Merkley campaign.

All your "but it could be something else " nonsense is just that - nonsense.

If the president getting a BJ from an intern is a non issue, a bitter breakup that both parties are long over is even less of one.

 

[PapaG]

If by some random chance I come across this post after the election, I will get to laugh at it again.

barfo

Figures. You spent how many years laughing knowing that your avatar was making fun of my daughters? 3, at least, right? You like to laugh at sick kids. We get it.

 

[PapaG]

What I wrote was true. You argued against it until the smoking gun.

I don't suggest anyone vote for her, or Merkley. All I've said is the stalking thing is a non issue smokescreen by the Merkley campaign.

All your "but it could be something else " nonsense is just that - nonsense.

If the president getting a BJ from an intern is a non issue, a bitter breakup that both parties are long over is even less of one.

Not if the President is a Democrat, and the GOP potential Senate nominee is a woman. Wehby's biggest fault is that she isn't a guy. Then, the Dems would be A-OK with that type of behavior.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Not if the President is a Democrat, and the GOP potential Senate nominee is a woman. Wehby's biggest fault is that she isn't a guy. Then, the Dems would be A-OK with that type of behavior.

I see it completely different. The fact Wehby is a female gives her a much better chance of this being OK. If a male was accused of of stalking by two separate people on two different occasions, I'm guessing one female saying she regrets filing a police report wouldn't fly.

Was Clinton's blowjob a non-issue? At the time it seemed that is all people were talking about. Republicans wanted impeachment and democrats saying it was a private matter and not relevant.

If a male boss was to receive a blowjob from a young female intern in the private world, in the place of business, it would be an issue. Thought it was a big issue for Clinton, but maybe I'm wrong. Wasn't there DNA testing of a dress and the whole "I did not have sexual relationship with her" statement that was "plastered" all over the media for months?

 

[barfo]

What I wrote was true.

Ok. Let's take this post:

Nobody else accessed them. You said it was her republican opponent. The record shows it was Merkley who did it.

"Nobody else accessed them"? Neither of us know for sure, but your own link says that the democrat researcher was 'the first' to access the records, which certainly implies that there were others.

"You said it was her republican opponent". No, I said there was no proof that it was not him. And there still isn't proof that it was not him. For example, democrat researcher guy could have provided the ammo to him (or his campaign). Or maybe someone on the R side accessed the records after the first guy.

"The record shows it was Merkley who did it". No, that's just flat out false. While he certainly may have done it, there is currently no record that says so that you or I have seen.

So no, what you wrote was not true. Zero-for-three.

If the president getting a BJ from an intern is a non issue, a bitter breakup that both parties are long over is even less of one.

Who said it was an issue? I just like to make fun of Republicans. You just like to defend them. I don't believe I ever seriously suggested she's unfit for office because she's a creepy stalker. She's unfit for office because she's a creepy Republican.

barfo

 

[The_Lillard_King]

OK that is what I thought, blowjob was a big deal.

Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.[1]

Independent Counsel Ken Starr alleged that Clinton had broken the law during his handling of the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit. Four charges were considered by the full House of Representatives; only two passed, and those on a nearly party-line vote. It was only the second time in history that the House had impeached the President of the United States, and only the third that the full House had considered such proceedings.

 

[Denny Crane]

Ok. Let's take this post:



"Nobody else accessed them"? Neither of us know for sure, but your own link says that the democrat researcher was 'the first' to access the records, which certainly implies that there were others.

"You said it was her republican opponent". No, I said there was no proof that it was not him. And there still isn't proof that it was not him. For example, democrat researcher guy could have provided the ammo to him (or his campaign). Or maybe someone on the R side accessed the records after the first guy.

"The record shows it was Merkley who did it". No, that's just flat out false. While he certainly may have done it, there is currently no record that says so that you or I have seen.

So no, what you wrote was not true. Zero-for-three.



Who said it was an issue? I just like to make fun of Republicans. You just like to defend them. I don't believe I ever seriously suggested she's unfit for office because she's a creepy stalker. She's unfit for office because she's a creepy Republican.

barfo

Barfo,

Merkley's minions accessed the records. They looked to see if there was any likely other source, like the Oregonian.

What on earth makes you think they'd bury other searches?

So, what you are writing is pulled straight from your ass. Or find a smoking gun saying ANYONE at all other than Merkley's guy accessed the record before she was smeared with the info.

My interest in this is the dirty tricks and how the operatives work.

I think we now have $17T+ reasons to vote for anyone else but those in office now. They're dangerous.

 

[Denny Crane]

OK that is what I thought, blowjob was a big deal.

Bill Clinton, the 42nd President of the United States, was impeached by the House of Representatives on two charges, one of perjury and one of obstruction of justice, on December 19, 1998. Two other impeachment articles, a second perjury charge and a charge of abuse of power, failed in the House. He was acquitted of both charges by the Senate on February 12, 1999.[1]

Independent Counsel Ken Starr alleged that Clinton had broken the law during his handling of the Lewinsky scandal and the Paula Jones lawsuit. Four charges were considered by the full House of Representatives; only two passed, and those on a nearly party-line vote. It was only the second time in history that the House had impeached the President of the United States, and only the third that the full House had considered such proceedings.

Now look up who argued it wasn't a big deal.

 

[PapaG]

My own War on Women?

"I totally misspoke!!"

[video=youtube;rZHO1vo762c]

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Now look up who argued it wasn't a big deal.

I'm sure those who like Clinton says no big deal and those who don't like Clinton says big deal.

But clearly it was a big deal in congress.

 

[PapaG]

I see it completely different. The fact Wehby is a female gives her a much better chance of this being OK. If a male was accused of of stalking by two separate people on two different occasions, I'm guessing one female saying she regrets filing a police report wouldn't fly.

Was Clinton's blowjob a non-issue? At the time it seemed that is all people were talking about. Republicans wanted impeachment and democrats saying it was a private matter and not relevant.

If a male boss was to receive a blowjob from a young female intern in the private world, in the place of business, it would be an issue. Thought it was a big issue for Clinton, but maybe I'm wrong. Wasn't there DNA testing of a dress and the whole "I did not have sexual relationship with her" statement that was "plastered" all over the media for months?

Clinton was accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick, and he settled a sexual harassment case with Paula Jones.

What world are we living in where Bill Clinton wasn't given the benefit of the doubt? Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers ... how many women did the Dems smear to cover for the lecherous Bill Clinton? They should have just told the truth.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Clinton was accused of rape by Juanita Broaddrick, and he settled a sexual harassment case with Paula Jones.

What world are we living in where Bill Clinton wasn't given the benefit of the doubt? Linda Tripp, Monica Lewinsky, Gennifer Flowers ... how many women did the Dems smear to cover for the lecherous Bill Clinton? They should have just told the truth.

My only point is that while democrats tried to sweep it under the table, they were unsuccessful. it wa a big deal.

Wehby situation doesn't even compare to the dirt on Clinton. But I doubt Wehby is going to get a special prosecutor assigned and charged with anything.

Wehby has signs of being psycho in relationships, so what . . . as I said before it didn't seem to effect her professional life then, so no big deal. I just take issue with there is nothing there . . . there is something there, jut not relevant in my mind to how she would conduct herself as a senator.

If some stalking victim wants to hold it against her . . . well I would understand that. But I think most will not consider it.

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm sure those who like Clinton says no big deal and those who don't like Clinton says big deal.

But clearly it was a big deal in congress.

Maureen Dowd said it was no big deal. Eleanor Clift, too. Greta Van Susteren (she was with CNN in those days). And so on.

http://www.slate.com/articles/doubl...dowd_caricatured_bill_clinton_s_mistress.html

 

[Denny Crane]

My only point is that while democrats tried to sweep it under the table, they were unsuccessful. it wa a big deal.

Wehby situation doesn't even compare to the dirt on Clinton. But I doubt Wehby is going to get a special prosecutor assigned and charged with anything.

Wehby has signs of being psycho in relationships, so what . . . as I said before it didn't seem to effect her professional life, so no big deal. I just take issue with there is nothing there . . . there is something there, jut not relevant in my mind to how she would conduct herself as a senator.

If some stalking victim wants to hold it against her . . . well I would understand that. But I think most will not consider it.

From what I've seen, she called the one guy a few times over a 5 day period. That is not stalking. The 5 days is kinda short to make it some sort of obsessive behavior.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

From what I've seen, she called the one guy a few times over a 5 day period. That is not stalking. The 5 days is kinda short to make it some sort of obsessive behavior.

I've been in many relationships, not one police report ever filed against me. How about you, any police reports filed against you? Anyone on this board had multiple police reports filed on them? I don't think it's an issue for most because nothing resulted from them, but fact two ment took the time to file police reports against this doctor says something about her personal life to me.

We see this thing so differently . . . fact that you think there is only one explanation to "I regret filing a police report" shows we are analyzing this so differently (I am well aware of recanting victims as this is one step removed from even a recanting victim). But at least in the end it doesn't really have an impact of how we think she will conduct herself as a senator so who cares how we get there.

 

[Denny Crane]

I've been in many relationships, not one police report ever filed against me. How about you, any police reports filed against you? Anyone on this board had multiple police reports filed on them? I don't think it's an issue for most because nothing resulted from them, but fact two ment took the time to file police reports against this doctor says something about her personal life to me.

We see this thing so differently . . . fact that you think there is only one explanation to "I regret filing a police report" shows we are analyzing this so differently (I am well aware of recanting victims as this is one step removed from even a recanting victim). But at least in the end it doesn't really have an impact of how we think she will conduct herself as a senator so who cares how we get there.

Both people in these relationships were uber wealthy. They may call the cops a lot for all we know. Or they made a lot of noise and someone else called the cops. The police report is online, I read it. It's incredibly tame.

Yeah, I do think that given a few weeks to ponder what he did during those 5 days, he came to believe he overreacted. That's what he said.

 

[Denny Crane]

Here's the police report. Have at it.

http://media.oregonlive.com/mapes/other/Wehby-police-report[1]_Redacted.pdf

My bad, I said it was 5 days, it was 5 times over 10 days that she attempted to talk to the guy.

 

[The_Lillard_King]

Both people in these relationships were uber wealthy. They may call the cops a lot for all we know. Or they made a lot of noise and someone else called the cops. The police report is online, I read it. It's incredibly tame.

Yeah, I do think that given a few weeks to ponder what he did during those 5 days, he came to believe he overreacted. That's what he said.

I haven't read everything out there. Did he say he overreacted or he regrets it? Has he come out and said what he said in the reports aren't true?

There you go again, nothing to indicate uber wealthy tend to call the cops on each other more.

DC, do you not think Miller has an interest in seeing Wehby elected?

 

[barfo]

Barfo,

Merkley's minions accessed the records.

Technically, incorrect (as usual). It was a minion of the democrat party of oregon, which while obviously on the same team as Merkley, does not actually work directly for Merkley.

They looked to see if there was any likely other source, like the Oregonian.

They, the Oregonian, looked to see if the Oregonian was a likely source? Does that make sense to you?

What on earth makes you think they'd bury other searches?

For someone who believes in conspiracy theories as much as you, you are awfully eager to believe whatever anyone says on this topic.
For the record, I don't believe they'd bury other searches. But I do believe if they saw a name on the list that they couldn't quickly identify, they'd just move on and get the story published.

Or find a smoking gun saying ANYONE at all other than Merkley's guy accessed the record before she was smeared with the info.

If someone publishes it, and I see it, I will be sure to let you know.

My interest in this is the dirty tricks and how the operatives work.

I don't think publicizing public records really amounts to 'dirty tricks'.

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/05/monica_wehby_accused_of_stalki.html

Miller, who has since been a prominent supporter of Wehby's U.S. Senate campaign, told Politico that he never sought the order and regrets calling the police. Wehby, in a statement to Politico, said there "really wasn't much" to the report of consequence and that she was sorry it was reported.

 

[Denny Crane]

Technically, incorrect (as usual). It was a minion of the democrat party of oregon, which while obviously on the same team as Merkley, does not actually work directly for Merkley.



They, the Oregonian, looked to see if the Oregonian was a likely source? Does that make sense to you?



For someone who believes in conspiracy theories as much as you, you are awfully eager to believe whatever anyone says on this topic.
For the record, I don't believe they'd bury other searches. But I do believe if they saw a name on the list that they couldn't quickly identify, they'd just move on and get the story published.



If someone publishes it, and I see it, I will be sure to let you know.



I don't think publicizing public records really amounts to 'dirty tricks'.

barfo

Ooooohhh.. technically incorrect. The guy is a former Merkley campaign aid.

Plausible deniability. Technically incorrect. Too funny.

It was Politico that first published the story. They didn't do a records search. The Oregonian published this story: http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/05/monica_wehby_accused_of_stalki.html

You'll be sure to make up stuff as if it were plausible. Maybe aliens read Miller's mind and planted the idea in her republican opponent's head via telepathy. That sort of thing is as likely as what you are suggesting happened.

Waiting a month for what they deem an opportune time to smear the opponent is a dirty trick.

Next?

 

[Denny Crane]

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/05/monica_wehby_stalking_report_f.html

An employee of the Democratic Party of Oregon was the first person to request the April 2013 police report of timber baron Andrew Miller accusing Republican Senate candidate Monica Wehby of "stalking" him after a break-up.

Jon Friedman, who listed a Northeast Portland address, requested the report from Portland police on April 17, 2014, documents obtained by The Oregonian through a public records request show. Friedman did not immediately return a message seeking comment Monday.

Friedman works as a research assistant for the Democratic Party of Oregon, said Jamal Raad, party spokesman. Raad declined to comment further.

Raad previously worked as a spokesman for Democratic Sen. Jeff Merkley, who is seeking re-election to a second term.

(but they never talk!)

 

[The_Lillard_King]

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/05/monica_wehby_accused_of_stalki.html

Miller, who has since been a prominent supporter of Wehby's U.S. Senate campaign, told Politico that he never sought the order and regrets calling the police. Wehby, in a statement to Politico, said there "really wasn't much" to the report of consequence and that she was sorry it was reported.

I'm a wealthy timber owner and republican in Oregon. I stand to profit greatly if a Republican senator is elected into office. I filed a poilce report against someone who later is running for office as the republican candidate, I am a prominent supported of that person and the police report could potentially harm her chances of getting elected . . . I would regret filing that report because it may hurt her chances to win. Is that so hard to understand.

I understand your interpretation of "regrets calling the police" . . . and that is one possible explanation. If you don't think there are many reasons people can regret doing things and that the statement is vague, I don't know what to say.

My god the fact he a prominent supporter and sunk money into her campaign . . . of course he regrets documenting Wehby's actions in the past via a police report.

In fact Monica has gone on record as regretting saying those things to Linda Tripp . . . must mean nothing happened between her and Clinton. Why else would she regret it?

 

[Denny Crane]

I'm a wealthy timber owner and republican in Oregon. I stand to profit greatly if a Republican senator is elected into office. I filed a poilce report against someone who later is running for office as the republican candidate, I am a prominent supported of that person and the police report could potentially harm her chances of getting elected . . . I would regret filing that report because it may hurt her chances to win. Is that so hard to understand.

I understand your interpretation of "regrets calling the police" . . . and that is one possible explanation. If you don't think there are many reasons people can regret doing things and that the statement is vague, I don't know what to say.

My god the fact he a prominent supporter and sunk money into her campaign . . . of course he regrets that documenting Wehby's actions in the past via a police report.

In fact iI think Monica has gone on record as regretting saying those things to Linda Tripp . . . must mean nothing happened between her and Clinton. Why else would she regret it?

He could have backed any other republican.

http://www.oregonlive.com/politics/index.ssf/2014/05/andrew_miller_says_he_regrets.html

Andrew Miller on Friday said that he regrets calling 911 a year ago to accuse Republican Senate candidate Monica Wehby, his ex-girlfriend, of stalking him and harassing his employees.

"It's a personal matter," he said Friday. "It probably wasn't one of my better days in life way back when. I didn't really want to spend a lot of time reflecting on it."

He likened the situation to the adage of not acting when angry.

"They always say, 'Don't send an angry email until after you let it sit for 24 hours,'" Miller said. "I think sometimes we are prone to act in the moment, and later when you think about it, I kind of wish we could do a do-over on that one."

Miller said he remains friends with Wehby.

"I talk to her from time to time," he said. "I have no hard feelings or animosity towards her whatsoever. I voted for her. I wish her well, and I hope she succeeds."

 

[barfo]

Technically incorrect. Too funny.

Denny Crane is a right-wing Republican.

Oh, was that technically incorrect? Doesn't matter! One doesn't need to be accurate here. Truthiness is good enough.

Waiting a month for what they deem an opportune time to smear the opponent is a dirty trick.

So there is a rule in Denny-land that you must release any and all information you have as soon as you have it?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

The last couple paragraphs of this article are great.

http://www.oregonlive.com/mapes/index.ssf/2014/05/monica_wehby_accused_of_stalki.html

Len Bergstein, a veteran Portland political and public relations consultant, said the information certainly seemed to be the result of a leak designed to cause political damage to Wehby.

He said he doubted it would have a major impact on the outcome of the primary, but he said it could well damage her in a fall race against Merkley. He said it hurts her campaign's effort to create a "carefully constructed picture" of the pediatric neurosurgeon, who is a newcomer to politics.