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Crimson the Cat

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I think a lot of basketball fans, including many Blazers' fans, have lost perspective when it comes to Portland's offseason results thus far. We're a 54 win team in the West. This ties us for second-best record in the conference. We stood toe to toe with the Lakers, Celtics, Magic, and Cavs last season. The greatest improvement, even if we landed our number one target, Hedo, was going to be the advancements made by our existing players. Some of you are mistaken if you feel other teams are laughing at us for not landing Hedo; or, missing out on Ariza and Bass. They're fucking thankful, but they're not laughing. These other teams had to make loud changes if they want to continue their success. They didn't have a choice. There isn't a doubt in my mind that Oden, Aldridge, Batum, Roy, Fernandez, and Bayless become even better basketball players next season. That's six players covering all five positions where we will be improved at.

Sure adding Hedo would have been wonderful. It didn't happen. There's no shame in that. We missed out on Carter, Jefferson, and Ariza because of this. That's just the risk involved by targeting a player and taking the necessary steps to try and get him. If we had gone after Vince Carter, many fans would be screaming that we didn't pursue Jefferson instead, since the cost was lower and he was years younger. If we had gone after Jefferson, fans would be irate that we didn't pursue Ariza. Look, the goal is to add another quality player while losing as little assets, resources, and flexibility (current and future) as possible. Hedo was going to allow us to only lose our cap space. Millsap is allowing us to only lose our cap space. I would expect the next move (Lee or Williams) to be the same. It appears to me that Pritchard understand the value and control in building a team through the draft and free agency. This leaves Portland in the driver's seat. Now, eventually, Portland will have to relinquish control to deal with other teams, but there's no reason to rush into anything, especially with solid free agents without a team.

Even if Utah matches and Millsap is snatched back, there's still quite a few free agents available that would improve our team. David Lee, Marvin Williams, Andre Miller, and Ramon Sessions are all realistic options for us. Odds are a deal structured with a "toxic" second season could deter New York in matching for Lee. Or, a deadly signing bonus could scare off Atlanta from matching for Williams. Using up all of our cap space to skyrocket the 3rd and 4th season in a deal for Sessions might be just the trick. And, there's always Miller, who would improve the team in the short term. I could see any of these teams succumbing to Portland's pressure and working a sign-and-trade deal as well, which would allow us to sign a player at a more reasonable rate and/or moving a then expendable asset. Again, Portland keeps control.

Portland isn't the big loser this offseason. They're the big winners of past offseasons, and in turn, don't need to swing for the fences. They can continue to make smart, calculated decisions for the foreseeable future. That doesn't mean that they're not improving the team. No one wants to acknowledge the additions of Victor Claver, Dante Cunningham, Jeff Pendergraph, and Patty Mills. Sure, Claver and Mills won't likely contribute next season, but like Rudy Fernandez, they'll be welcome additions in seasons to come. Cunningham and Pendergraph both bring the grit and defense we were so sorely missing from our bench big men last season. No one wants to recognize the effects of releasing poor fits, such as Sergio Rodriguez, Channing Frye, and eventually Travis Outlaw. While all three are and will be quality players in the league for some time, they're not suitable for us any longer. Their absence opens the door for other more suitable options, such as Bayless or Fernandez). Even the non-moves in keeping both Koponen and Freeland were rewards as far I'm concerned.

So, shit, have a little restraint before you spout off about how our team is doing zilch. Show a little appreciation and even a little respect for the job they've done. And, maybe open your eyes to realize that they are indeed refining the team, just not at your pace, but at their pace. And really, isn't that how it should be?

K. I feel better now.
 
I agree but I'm still upset that we didn't do anything with Raef's contract.

It was a gold mine.
 
^ = + 1 (Crimson's post)
 
I totally agree, but prepare to be called someone who is happy to lose in the first round, yadda yadda yadda...

Excellent post!
 
I'm content with this offseason 100% in terms of not getting Hedo (thank you Jeebus), and in terms of missing out on Millsap (odd to tie up the cap space, though)

Other than dicking over Brandon Roy on years, the offseason seems OK at this point. I'm not sure the team is even negotiating with LMA at this point, either, but hey, everything seems OK! So, other than you not even mentioning these elephants in the room...GREAT POST!
 
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Other than dicking over Brandon Roy on years, the offseason seems OK at this point.

I'm gonna be very curious to see/hear what Roy's public statement is all about.
 
I'm gonna be very curious to see/hear what Roy's public statement is all about.

I really hope it's nothing, but the OP in this thread didn't even mention this situation in his post. I found that odd.
 
I really hope it's nothing, but the OP in this thread didn't even mention this situation in his post. I found that odd.

To many, it's a non-issue (at this point).
 
To many, it's a non-issue (at this point).

Really? LMA apparently hasn't received an offer, and Roy is at an impasse. To say it is a "non-issue" seems to be a bit ostrich-like, no?
 
Really? LMA apparently hasn't received an offer, and Roy is at an impasse. To say it is a "non-issue" seems to be a bit ostrich-like, no?

Well, for me, I'd like to at least reserve judgement until Roy has had the opportunity to make his public declaration.
 
Well, for me, I'd like to at least reserve judgement until Roy has had the opportunity to make his public declaration.

He's already made a public declaration...twice. Do you think the 3rd time is going to be a positive?
 
a 54 win team LAST YEAR. While the rich get richer we stay the same. Do you wanna win a title or do you wanna have a good regular season? I guess your the kind of guy that will be happy being the Dallas Mavericks for the next 5 years.
 
He's already made a public declaration...twice. Do you think the 3rd time is going to be a positive?

Personally, I don't consider talk radio shows to be conclusive. Besides, it that weren't the case, why would he even bother with an independent version coming up this week?
 
I didn't mention because I realize it's a non-issue. They're called negotiations for a reason. Portland doesn't and won't have bitter feelings towards Brandon Roy after a new contract can be agreed upon and neither will Roy towards Portland. It's business. Pritchard's job is to sign Roy to as beneficial a contract extension as possible and Roy's/his agent's goal is to gain the most financial security as possible. We likely made our offer: 4-year max. They've made theirs: 4-year max with a player option. Those offers aren't that far apart. Deron Williams and Chris Paul both signed the same contract extensions last year (again no one in Portland wants to fucking acknowledge this). Neither offer is a slap in the face to the other. This is a non-issue and will be cleared up at some point without hurting the team. We only heard about it because Roy's agent decided to go public to apply pressure. Personally, I hope Portland doesn't cave in. Giving him a 5th year is completely fine, but allowing Roy to assume control of his future isn't in Portland's best interest, and any Blazer fan that actually thought about this for a moment, would agree.

Again, Portland's doing the right thing here. If Brandon doesn't want to do it OUR way, let him become a restricted free agent and we'll match. Remember, the pressure is on Brandon to receive an early extension. We gain nothing by doing this unless it's handled OUR way.
 
While surely Blazers fans post with their emotions, I am sorry but I feel you are wrong. There have been too many mistakes made this year to just let it pass. Between RLEC and not having Brandon locked up to be the team leadership present to bring in free agents, it comes across to me as somebody who is overly confident running the show, because they weren't prepared properly this year for the events that transpired. Anybody who is bringing in free agents to join a team knows that you have team leaders meet them and try to recruit them. That didn't happen here. If I remember right, it was KP and Tom Penn at the airport, both of them looked like they had both been at a strip club for 3 days, and KP was still tucking in his shirt. Give me a fucking break and demonstrate some professionality. If you don't see what's wrong with that, then you probably haven't done business before. :devilwink:
 
Personally, I don't consider talk radio shows to be conclusive. Besides, it that weren't the case, why would he even bother with an independent version coming up this week?

Other than "I've signed a contract", precisely what do you expect to be positive about his press release/statement?
 
While surely Blazers fans post with their emotions, I am sorry but I feel you are wrong. There have been too many mistakes made this year to just let it pass. Between RLEC and not having Brandon locked up to be the team leadership present to bring in free agents, it comes across to me as somebody who is overly confident running the show, because they weren't prepared properly this year for the events that transpired. Anybody who is bringing in free agents to join a team knows that you have team leaders meet them and try to recruit them. That didn't happen here. If I remember right, it was KP and Tom Penn at the airport, both of them looked like they had both been at a strip club for 3 days, and KP was still tucking in his shirt. Give me a fucking break and demonstrate some professionality. If you don't see what's wrong with that, then you probably haven't done business before. :devilwink:

Don't forget Jay Jensen literally ducking under the "Welcome Hedo" sign he was holding to cover his face. That was pathetic. Bungled...
 
Great post, Crimson. This summer reminds me of a false air raid. Everybody is running around in a panic right now, but as soon as the siren stops screeching and the skies return to blue again (which they always do), all the panic and consternation will be forgotten.

This team is still in great shape, and will only be better next year with all of our young players making improvements. Can't wait for the season to start!!
 
Other than "I've signed a contract", precisely what do you expect to be positive about his press release/statement?

I simply said I'm reserving judgement.
 
I simply said I'm reserving judgement.

Well, you gave ++1 to Crimson's post. I understand being postive, and I typically am, but the Roy, and to a lesser extent, LMA oversights seem to make the original post a bit pie-in-the-sky to me.
 
Well, you gave ++1 to Crimson's post. I understand being postive, and I typically am, but the Roy, and to a lesser extent, LMA oversights seem to make the original post a bit pie-in-the-sky to me.

Fair enough.
 
No. We haven't stayed the same, nor is the offseason complete yet. I suppose you won't concede this though as it doesn't allow you to bitch.

Oh my bad your right! We didn't stay the same! MY BAD...... we added more rookies!!!!!!!!! BRAVO
 
Between RLEC...

How soon people forget. By not moving Raef, this team went on a fucking sweet run to end the season. Hell at that point we were all wondering whether Portland would make the Playoffs. We did, and IMO, we took on and competed well against the second best team in the West (IMO). The cost, from what the rumors revealed, was sky high to get a return on Raef. NJ/Vince and Charlotte/Wallace all required we give up one of our talented young players and/or take back an unwanted player. Why would we do this? To win one Playoff series? Two? I'm not convinced that you let go of truly special assets, such as Rudy or Nic, unless you're sure it brings you a championship. Adding Vince Carter, in the end, for me, just doesn't guarantee a championship, not with the then uncertainties at that time with Oden, Nic, Rudy, and Jerryd's rate of progression and lack of toughness/defensive ability in the front and back court. In my opinion, taking the wait-and-see approach made more sense and still does. And by waiting, it's pretty apparent to me that we found out that our young guys are going to be studs and that we shouldn't give them up unless we're getting back an All Star level player entering or in their prime.


... and not having Brandon locked up to be the team leadership present to bring in free agents...

Having Brandon locked up would be sweet, but not under his terms. He may be a stud, but he's not running the franchise. Besides we didn't lose Hedo because Brandon wasn't extended the first tick-tock of July and it hasn't apparently hurt our chances at signing Millsap.

...it comes across to me as somebody who is overly confident running the show, because they weren't prepared properly this year for the events that transpired.

Yeah. Because Portland is known for being unprepared. If you believe Pritchard went into this offseason with their sole and only plan being Operation: Turk, then I don't know what to say. They seem like an overly thorough bunch that lost their primary target. The only other player I think they would've targeted that they missed out on was Ariza thus far. The rest I'm not convinced they wanted anything to do with, given that they'd have to move valuable assets. And, it's the right choice, considering we'll likely walk away with someone through free agency that will help the team for years to come without giving up anyone before we're ready to give them up.

Anybody who is bringing in free agents to join a team knows that you have team leaders meet them and try to recruit them.

Did Kobe recruit Artest? Did Ming do the same for Ariza? Did Bosh wait patiently for Turk? Granted it could be helpful, I suppose, but players, and their agents, know who is on our team and under contract. This argument against Portland seems silly to me.

If I remember right, it was KP and Tom Penn at the airport, both of them looked like they had both been at a strip club for 3 days, and KP was still tucking in his shirt. Give me a fucking break and demonstrate some professionality. If you don't see what's wrong with that, then you probably haven't done business before. :devilwink:

1. You're not even sure of your statement, yet you're using it to support your argument that our management is unprofessional.

2. That you're attributing KP's untucked shirt, is this even true!?!, to our piss-poor offseason is hilarious to me.

3. I've been self-employed since I was 16. I've "done business".
 
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Oh my bad your right! We didn't stay the same! MY BAD...... we added more rookies!!!!!!!!! BRAVO

I always found this line of thinking to be amusing. We actually have fewer rookies this year (2) than last year (4). Please remember that none of last year's rookies are rookies this year.
 
It's actually relevant, isn't it?

It might be relevant, if there's actually a danger of not extending Roy and Aldridge. Some of us feel that there is such a danger, some of us don't. Whether you consider it "relevant" will rest upon that.

I think it's just standard negotiations, so I consider it essentially a non-story. Now, if Roy's announcement is, "I am suspending any further talks and will re-visit this against next off-season," then I'll consider it a (bad) story.
 
Relevant as proof of a flawed offseason? No.

Worth commenting on in a lenghty post about the offseason? Of course it is. The offseason is incomplete without knowing the results of the extensions for Roy/LMA. Actually, the postseason is a bust without knowing their status at this point IMO. Posting about the offeseason without considering this seems like a reach to me, unless it actually was an oversight. And if it was an oversight, I don't see how your post is a complete assessment of how people should feel about the offseason. :dunno:

I don't disagree with much of what you posted, but the glaring hole in your argument makes it seem incomplete.
 

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