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Boob-No-More said:
You quoted me, but I actually didn't say what you quoted. Those were your words, not mine.

The problem with paying Chandler $13+ million a year for the next two and a half years is that's $13+ million you won't have to spend on someone who contributes more on the court. Chandler has already seen a very significant drop in his production, and that's only going to get worse as he ages.

If we were in win now mode, and felt Chandler was the missing piece, or even a missing piece, the money would be irrelevant. But, we're not, he's not and, therefore, it's not.

BNM
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This is only an issue depending upon what we send out.

Chandler @ $13M is still better than Meyers @ $10M. If you can swap Meyers for Chandler, you still come out ahead.
 
Boob-No-More said:
Fine, so add vets on min contracts, not over paid, over the hill has beens like Chandler who are under contract for the next two and a half seasons at $13+ million a year.

That's what the vet minimum is for.

BTW, you can win in the playoffs without vets. That 1977 championship team was the youngest team in the league that year. The oldest starter on that team was Dave Twardzik, the 26-year old PG. The same age as our current starting PG.

That team's starters:
Walton - 24
Lucas - 24
Gross - 23
Hollins - 23
Twardzik - 26

This team's starters:

Plumlee - 26
Aminu - 26
Harkless - 23
McCollum - 25
Lillard - 26

That team had two players over the age of 26. So does this team.

I know it's been 40 years, but since you mentioned Red Auerbach, who hasn't coached in 51 years, I figured it was fair game.

I do agree we need one or two vets on the bench and in the locker room, but to me it's more about experience than age. Someone who has been to the finals, or better won a ring, gets more cred than some old guy who hasn't won anything. Obviously, Chandler has won a ring in DAL, but I'm opposed to giving up anything of significant value, or taking on a long term contract, to get a guy who is more of a calming influence and off court leader than an on court contributor.

BNM
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I thought Chandler was getting closer to $23 mill his final season. Maybe it was a combined or something. At $13 mill a year he could absolutely be a benefit to this team considering we have my man @ $10 mill a year sitting on the end of the bench. He cant be worse than Meyers and I would gladly pay that $3 mill for that veteran championship experience. Especially since he and Stott's had that experience together.
Harkless and a pick is a bit tougher to swallow because we are then still stuck with Leonard, but Its a possible benefit to us especially if it is Cleveland's pick and not ours.
If we got them to sign off on Leonard/Ezeli/Cle 1st for Chandler, that's a win for us in my book.
 
tester551 said:
This is only an issue depending upon what we send out.

Chandler @ $13M is still better than Meyers @ $10M. If you can swap Meyers for Chandler, you still come out ahead.
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Why would PHO want Meyers Leonard?????

They already have THREE other 7-footers that are younger, better and cheaper than Meyers.

A trade has to make sense for both teams for it to actually happen. Fantasy trades where we dump our crap players with bad contracts on somebody else are just that - a fantasy.

BNM
 
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Orion Bailey said:
I thought Chandler was getting closer to $23 mill his final season. Maybe it was a combined or something. At $13 mill a year he could absolutely be a benefit to this team considering we have my man @ $10 mill a year sitting on the end of the bench. He cant be worse than Meyers and I would gladly pay that $3 mill for that veteran championship experience. Especially since he and Stott's had that experience together.
Harkless and a pick is a bit tougher to swallow because we are then still stuck with Leonard, but Its a possible benefit to us especially if it is Cleveland's pick and not ours.
If we got them to sign off on Leonard/Ezeli/Cle 1st for Chandler, that's a win for us in my book.
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Tyson Chandler is not enough of a needle mover at this point in his career to be worth giving up a 1st round pick - not even if he's making the vet min. At $13+ million with 2.5 years left, no way do I give up a first round pick for a 34-year old who doesn't even address our biggest weakness.

There will be better options for that pick, either now, at the deadline or on draft day. Giving up a 1st round pick for a stop gap player like Chandler, who doesn't even fill that gap, is a short-sighted panic move.

If Tyson Chandler is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. PHO signed him hoping to convince LaMarcus Aldridge to sign there. Well he didn't and he doesn't play here anymore either. Tyson Chandler makes no sense for this team at this time - less so moving forward.

BNM
 
I think NO values veteran leadership very highly. However, I (and he) want veteran leadership in the form of players who are respected/hard workers/very good/at least rotation players:
Al Horford
Paul Milsap
Mark Gasol

Not in the form of a very old (unless they're very cheap/come with a 1st rounder)
Tyson Chandler
Vince Carter

Not in the form of the jackass
Rajon Rondo
Monta Ellis
Chris Andersen
 
Boob-No-More said:
Tyson Chandler is not enough of a needle mover at this point in his career to be worth giving up a 1st round pick - not even if he's making the vet min. At $13+ million with 2.5 years left, no way do I give up a first round pick for a 34-year old who doesn't even address our biggest weakness.

There will be better options for that pick, either now, at the deadline or on draft day. Giving up a 1st round pick for a stop gap player like Chandler, who doesn't even fill that gap, is a short-sighted panic move.

If Tyson Chandler is the answer, you're asking the wrong question. PHO signed him hoping to convince LaMarcus Aldridge to sign there. Well he didn't and he doesn't play here anymore either. Tyson Chandler makes no sense for this team at this time - less so moving forward.

BNM
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Wait. First, I never said he was the answer. I am saying we will get more out of him than we will Leonard. Giving them the Cle is for taking Leonard off our hands. I never said its a needle mover, or pushes us into contention. Im just saying I think it is a good trade because it is a better use of the money for Chandler than to be spent on Meyers. How else are we going to get rid of Leonard?

You do this type of trade and then you package the other pick with Crabbe for Noel and that is a decent lineup for the next two years. When Chandler is gone we have his money.
 
Orion Bailey said:
Wait. First, I never said he was the answer. I am saying we will get more out of him than we will Leonard. Giving them the Cle is for taking Leonard off our hands. I never said its a needle mover, or pushes us into contention. Im just saying I think it is a good trade because it is a better use of the money for Chandler than to be spent on Meyers. How else are we going to get rid of Leonard?

You do this type of trade and then you package the other pick with Crabbe for Noel and that is a decent lineup for the next two years. When Chandler is gone we have his money.
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You start by moving him to a team that actually wants and needs a young big man. Meyers to PHO makes ZERO sense. You don't try to force him onto a team that already has three other younger, better, cheaper bigs. Even if you just move him to a team for a top 55 protected 2nd round pick, that's WAY better than PAYING someone, who doesn't want, or need him, a 1st round pick to take him off our hands.

That might mean we wait until the summer to move him, but with salaries going up again and lots of $100+ million contracts being handed out, someone will see a 24-year old 7-footer at $30 million spread out over 3 years as a relative bargain. At least he'll be relatively cheap enough we shouldn't have to give away a 1st round pick just to get someone to take him.

BNM
 
I agree this team desperately needs more vets. We're too much into staying young and developing talent.
 
Meanwhile we're to afraid of veterans leaving when there contact is up.
 
Vets are certainly part of almost any successful team. But with the Blazers were they are against the Luxury tax, they have to get vets on very inexpensive contracts. Someone like Millsap would be great but we can't trade Crabbe (injury) and why would ATL want Turner for Millsap?

The problem is, inexpensive vets wouldn't be that good as Portland isn't a contending team. So you'd have a Kaman type vet sitting on the bench not playing giving out advice.
 
e_blazer said:
Just curious, why did you think that this nearly impossible idea of making moves to acquire Millsap was worthy of posting about, and why in this old thread?
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C'mon man... Who knows... :biglaugh:
 
e_blazer said:
Just curious, why did you think that this nearly impossible idea of making moves to acquire Millsap was worthy of posting about, and why in this old thread?
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Should I have created a new thread for this. Maybe I should find the tweet by CJ that he wants Millsap.
 
I'm just glad we have franchise players trying to push Blazers management to get some good all star vets. Not just keeping a young team and building out of the draft every year getting hopefull on potential.
 
I, too, am glad we have players suggesting the team get All-Star veterans. It would otherwise never occur to anyone (let alone the fat cats in the front office!) that All-Stars are good players to have. Now that it's been suggested, the only question is how many All-Star veterans we should sign or trade for.
 
BigGameDamian said:
Should I have created a new thread for this. Maybe I should find the tweet by CJ that he wants Millsap.
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Here's CJ's tweet:



A an emoticon of a pair of bulging eyes is your basis for saying that CJ has given deep consideration to the prospects of Millsap joining the Blazers?
 
Ricky Rubio would be my pipedream.

He'd he the 3rd guard/sixth man at PG/SG getting starter minutes - think of him as a rich mans Livingston.

Getting him to agree to this role is one thing - so is putting the pieces together to land him is another.

Another vet, although still young, I'd target is TJ Warren. PHX is poised to land Jackson/Tatum making Warren available.
 
e_blazer said:
Here's CJ's tweet:



A an emoticon of a pair of bulging eyes is your basis for saying that CJ has given deep consideration to the prospects of Millsap joining the Blazers?
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Pippen 2.0? Make my eyes bulge. How long has Millsap been in the league compared to Scottie when he joined?
 
Fez Von Savage said:
Ricky Rubio would be my pipedream.

He'd he the 3rd guard/sixth man at PG/SG getting starter minutes - think of him as a rich mans Livingston.

Getting him to agree to this role is one thing - so is putting the pieces together to land him is another.

Another vet, although still young, I'd target is TJ Warren. PHX is poised to land Jackson/Tatum making Warren available.
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Rubio and Turner on the court together would be very ugly to watch. If Rubio's your pipedream then you're dreaming too realistic.
 
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Fez Von Savage said:
Ricky Rubio would be my pipedream.

He'd he the 3rd guard/sixth man at PG/SG getting starter minutes - think of him as a rich mans Livingston.

Getting him to agree to this role is one thing - so is putting the pieces together to land him is another.

Another vet, although still young, I'd target is TJ Warren. PHX is poised to land Jackson/Tatum making Warren available.
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Rubio will be available if Minnesota draft Ntilikina or Dennis Smith, which is very probable. They won't be able to give minutes to all of Smith/Ntilikina, Dunn and Rubio. Actually, they are also one team that would maybe take Crabbe or even Leonard as they desperately need players who can shoot (though Meyers cannot even do that anymore these days, unless you leave him completely open with the closest player being located in a different state).
 
I've started this one. Nothing is happening in this area - we still need some vet players to avoid 20:0 chaos in every game. Olshey seems to prefer nice, tall, white boys sitting on the bench instead.

I'm pretty sure those guys wouldn't be harmed if they got some mental help ON the court.
And if we have "assets" and we are waiting for winter trade, why we play six players rotation?
 
But, but...
1) The Golden Future!
2) Let it bake!
3) Everyone has to be Lillard's age!
4) The Oregonian likes scared young gentlemen they can control!
5) Anyone who has learned many other coaches' systems will resist our coach's weird system! Remember how Andre Miller, and then the experienced group after him, stopped listening to McMillan?
 
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