OT Was Robert E. Lee really all that evil?

[BlazerWookee]

Winner writes the history.

And frees the slaves.

 

[riverman]

Fi

For now, anyway...

Camera's have sealed the images of the civil war forever....it's well written and documented...thousands of pictorials show these historical figures...that's not going to change.

 

[lawai'a]

please, in the wake of all the recent hatred and violence over slave ownership, I call upon everyone to boycott the usage of the image of former slave owners on American paper currency. stop immediately the use of $1, $20, $50 and $100 bills. pack all that you have on you now and ship them to me , and I will see that they are disposed of properly. thank you for understanding. I thought this was cute and am sharing my laugh.

 

[riverman]

$1, $20, $50 and $100 bills

Who are these Bills you speak of?

 

[MarAzul]

please, in the wake of all the recent hatred and violence over slave ownership, I call upon everyone to boycott the usage of the image of former slave owners on American paper currency. stop immediately the use of $1, $20, $50 and $100 bills. pack all that you have on you now and ship them to me , and I will see that they are disposed of properly. thank you for understanding. I thought this was cute and am sharing my laugh.

The first genuine explanation for any of this out of control feeling I have heard.

 

[lawai'a]

buffalo bills of course!

 

[lawai'a]

or buffalo nickles if you have them

 

[riverman]

or buffalo nickles if you have them

I have one of those

 

[lawai'a]

marz probably still carries them in his pocketsez

 

[barfo]

Not a traitor, he swore an oath to Virginia long before he joined thw US Army.

And he didn't swear an oath to the US when he joined the army? Or he just didn't mean it?

barfo

 

[Denny Crane]

And he didn't swear an oath to the US when he joined the army? Or he just didn't mean it?

barfo

If he renounced his citizenship and moved to France, is the oath still binding?

Way more complex an issue than you think.

 

[lawai'a]

If he renounced his citizenship and moved to France, is the oath still binding?

Way more complex an issue than you think.

what was the oath so we can dissect the semantics?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You suggested this is some sort of standard thing, to remove them in the middle of the night. Yet in his own words, he admits the decision was based upon fear of the violent left showing up and wreaking havoc on his campus.

Would you classify locking your door as "cowardice" or "a decision based upon fear"?

 

[barfo]

If he renounced his citizenship and moved to France, is the oath still binding?

Way more complex an issue than you think.

Situation would have been the same (had France been at war with the US).

It's not that complicated. He's not a hero. He waged a losing war against the US. I like generals who don't make war on the US.

barfo

 

[BlazerWookee]

And he didn't swear an oath to the US when he joined the army? Or he just didn't mean it?

barfo

His oath to the Union was made as a citizen of Virginia. Before secession, people were citizens of their state first, the Union second.

 

[barfo]

His oath to the Union was made as a citizen of Virginia. Before secession, people were citizens of their state first, the Union second.

Hmm. I'd be interested to read about the legal reasoning there, but in any case it doesn't much matter. The end result is the same, he waged war on the USA, no different than any other general in an enemy army.

barfo

 

[lawai'a]

Hmm. I'd be interested to read about the legal reasoning there, but in any case it doesn't much matter. The end result is the same, he waged war on the USA, no different than any other general in an enemy army.

barfo

in a letter to a friend he wrote about the concept of waging war on friends and family in Virginia reasoning his resignation, up until then he had been offered the position of commander of the union armies. Lincoln need not have accepted his resignation and could have had him imprisoned legally,
but the rest is history

 

[KingSpeed]

So is the City of Portland going to take down the statue of St. Joan of Arc on the traffic circle on NE 39th and Chavez (thankfully they got rid of that rascist slur of a name "39th St") because it's offensive to non Catholics???? It seems to be similar logic to me..........

It's not. Black people are born black with no choice in the matter.

 

[MarAzul]

marz probably still carries them in his pocketsez

I dump that stuff out about once a month.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

More "false equivalence":
Ukraine has removed all 1,320 statues of Lenin

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Would you classify locking your door as "cowardice" or "a decision based upon fear"?

Same question applies to owning a gun.

 

[riverman]

I say we immediately remove all statues of Steven Seagal

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

you called him a coward...which in itself is cowardly given he's not here to defend himself

Hitler was a coward. And a Nazi. I think he was into nasty sexual acts that I don't even wanna know about. Pretty sure he liked to stomp cute little bunnies to death.

What, he's not here to defend himself?

Nevermind.

 

[riverman]

If he renounced his citizenship and moved to France, is the oath still binding?

Way more complex an issue than you think.

It's ok Denny, you can still go to your Civil War battle re-enactment camps every year and wear the rebel grey....mad cow and all!

 

[Denny Crane]

what was the oath so we can dissect the semantics?

Does it matter?

He was no longer a citizen of the United States. His state, which he was loyal to (everyone was loyal to their state, not the US), was in the Confederate States.

 

[Denny Crane]

Would you classify locking your door as "cowardice" or "a decision based upon fear"?

If I never locked it before?

 

[lawai'a]

Does it matter?

He was no longer a citizen of the United States. His state, which he was loyal to (everyone was loyal to their state, not the US), was in the Confederate States.

absolutely not, absurd

 

[Denny Crane]

absolutely not, absurd

Because you say so?

OK, you win.

Think about anyone who joined our military in the past 50 years and renounces their citizenship and moves to France, like I asked. What difference, at that point, does their oath matter?

Do tell.

 

[lawai'a]

I agreed with you it doesn't matter.
I don't know how to green font or the post about semantics would have been

 

[lawai'a]

http://www.huffingtonpost.com/entry...ased-from-history_us_599b3747e4b06a788a2af43e
before you dismiss it cause of source, it is an interesting piece about a period of Virginia's history I had been unaware of, and adds another layer to the statue removal discussion.