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Knicks rumors: Zach Lowe tries to make sense of Giannis Antetokounmpo three team trade rumor

Zach Lowe recently brought up an insane trade rumor he heard that involved the Bucks, Knicks, and Trail Blazers.
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A three-team trade between New York, Milwaukee, and Portland. Because Portland owns pieces of three consecutive Bucks picks from the trades that they’ve made together, including the Dame trade. ‘28, ‘29, ‘30 swaps and pieces of picks etc…. I’m like, so how does that work? Like what is the rumor,” Lowe said. “And I’ve heard a couple different versions of it. One of them had the Knicks getting both Giannis and Jrue Holiday, which would make sense because if the Knicks are trading multiple for one, they’re hurting their depth. And I’ve played with concepts where they get Giannis and Kuzma in a two-team trade with the Bucks.”
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In that scenario, it seems like the Bucks will be getting back their picks from the Trail Blazers, which would be a win for them as they gain their own asset control.

“The Bucks get some money, lets say Jerami Grant, I cant remember what it was,” Lowe said. “And the rights to some or all of their picks back from the Blazers. Which is the golden chip for the Bucks in any Giannis trade. Can we regain our control of our draft assets? I was like what’s Portland getting, and in one version, they’re getting KAT, and another they’re getting KAT and Bridges. And I’m like what? Why? Like why are they surrendering these super valuable trade assets to add KAT $60 million contract to a .500 team?
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I think the problem is that this team doesn't have huge holes in the starting lineup. Our bench needs work.

Pointguard - maybe

We have three really good wings in Shae/Deni/Tou. So we only would want an absolute upgrade and Bridges isn't an absolute upgrade. We don't need a center, so KAT makes no sense for us. Bridges is 29.

If you look at the NYK trade, the best player is Giannis and he's going to NY. The best assets are the Bucks picks and they're going to Milwaukee. So we're getting screwed.

So the only way this trade makes sense is if Bridges is going to another team that could use him right now. A team with young guys and assets. Someone like Oklahoma City or the Spurs.

The NBA sure seems watered down these days. Lots of old guys who aren't that good anymore. We are better off stashing the picks and just taking BPA.
 
If the Bucks want their picks, send Giannis to US not NY. Grant/Camara or Grant/Camara/Scoot plus picks for Giannis. I’d even do Grant/Shaedon for Giannis.
 
KingSpeed said:
If the Bucks want their picks, send Giannis to US not NY. Grant/Camara or Grant/Camara/Scoot plus picks for Giannis. I’d even do Grant/Shaedon for Giannis.
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I'd rather keep Camara and Scoot, even if we don't give them any picks.

Giannis hasn't been healthy for what 4 years? Plus he is paid a supermax and his game relies on athleticism. Not a good track record of these players aging well.

Think Blake Griffin in Detroit.

Now if he was the final piece to contend immediately I might consider it. But we're not close enough and he's declining too quickly.
 
KingSpeed said:
If the Bucks want their picks, send Giannis to US not NY. Grant/Camara or Grant/Camara/Scoot plus picks for Giannis. I’d even do Grant/Shaedon for Giannis.
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Also do Dame and Giannis even want to play together? I get the vibe they would prefer some time apart.
 
Sounds like Warriors want expiring contracts for Kuminga. Would the Pistons want to bring back Grant - if so this type of deal gets us out of the final year of Grant's contract. Salaries are pretty close to working.

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Rastapopoulos said:
Picks are just gambles. Bridges is not only a great TEAM player (who showed he could be a scorer if needed in Brooklyn) he's an ironman. I mean, I love Matisse, but Bridges has NOT EVER MISSED A GAME (I think). He would fit the Blazers "culture" perfectly (and mean that we can dump Rupert to sign one of our 2-ways).

I don't think it will happen (most trades don't, and I can't see the Bucks wanting KAT) but I wouldn't be mad.
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Bridges would be a really good fit. I think the days of giving up 3-4 1st rounders for a mid level star are over. If he only cost us one of those picks and one of our young guys I think you do the deal. He does everything well and just another great defender who can shoot the 3 and space the floor
 
The Knicks gave up 5 1sts, a 2nd and a pick swap for Bridges.

I highly doubt they would trade him for one pick and a young player.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think the problem is that this team doesn't have huge holes in the starting lineup. Our bench needs work.

Pointguard - maybe

We have three really good wings in Shae/Deni/Tou. So we only would want an absolute upgrade and Bridges isn't an absolute upgrade. We don't need a center, so KAT makes no sense for us. Bridges is 29.

If you look at the NYK trade, the best player is Giannis and he's going to NY. The best assets are the Bucks picks and they're going to Milwaukee. So we're getting screwed.

So the only way this trade makes sense is if Bridges is going to another team that could use him right now. A team with young guys and assets. Someone like Oklahoma City or the Spurs.

The NBA sure seems watered down these days. Lots of old guys who aren't that good anymore. We are better off stashing the picks and just taking BPA.
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i disagree with your assessment that bridges is not an absolute upgrade over tou. at 29 he is only 4 years older than tou and will likely remain in his prime for years before any decline. he has proven himself as a 20ppg scorer over the course of 2 different seasons, played in 57playoff games including the ecf, wcf and nba finals. tou is better in guarding bigger players imho, but bridges is the better rounded and skilled player. that said if you are trading jrue and his experience and skill set not sure i pull the trigger. for KAT? heck no. straight up not worth the draft assets in 3 way giannis deal.
 
What if we move the Bucks' swaps in the deal, but replace with later Knicks swaps, when all their guys are old?
 
lawai'a said:
i disagree with your assessment that bridges is not an absolute upgrade over tou. at 29 he is only 4 years older than tou and will likely remain in his prime for years before any decline. he has proven himself as a 20ppg scorer over the course of 2 different seasons, played in 57playoff games including the ecf, wcf and nba finals. tou is better in guarding bigger players imho, but bridges is the better rounded and skilled player. that said if you are trading jrue and his experience and skill set not sure i pull the trigger. for KAT? heck no. straight up not worth the draft assets in 3 way giannis deal.
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Bridges was 20+ ppg scorer on a Nets team that had literally no other talent. He's currently averaging 15.6 ppg on the Knicks.

Camara is younger and bigger. Would Bridges be an upgrade? Sure, but a modest one. Not an absolute upgrade as I said. Camara is capable of swinging between three positions. He can play power forward and defend power forwards if he needs to. Bridges is slightly shorter and skinnier.

It's not worth the picks that we would have to send out.
 
andalusian said:
The assumption is that is part of a deal that nets the giannis
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Yeah, what do the Bucks get out of it though?

I don't think we can run away with Bridges for just say Grant and a 1st. It would more likely be Grant and three or four 1sts.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Bridges was 20+ ppg scorer on a Nets team that had literally no other talent. He's currently averaging 15.6 ppg
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This is how I feel about MPJ.

He’s putting up the same stats as he did in Denver. He’s just putting up more shots because that’s what he has to do.
 
The only trade that makes even a little bit of sense is if NY includes Bridges AND OG. Blazers could flip one or both if they wanted to and probably get a decent haul.

Or they could keep them and be one of the greatest defensive teams of all time :lol:

I think the trade has to be done in two parts because of the CBA

Towns and Diawara to MIL for Giannis
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And then
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We get out from Grant and Holidays contracts. We don't take on KAT. We get two elite wing defenders. Not sure how you include the picks because of needing to break it into two deals. NYK owes Brooklyn their 2027/2029/2031 picks. They also owe a 2028 swap to Brooklyn. So the most they could trade is 2026 this summer and then swaps in 2030 and 2032.

Milwaukee gets all their picks back and maybe the Knicks swaps.
 
JfizzleBlazer said:
Yeah, what do the Bucks get out of it though?

I don't think we can run away with Bridges for just say Grant and a 1st. It would more likely be Grant and three or four 1sts.
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My guess is that NYC will have to do more - I would imagine any Giannis trade going out will need something like KAT's salary going in.

Something like KAT + picks + filler for the Bucks (and NY will have to provide some of these incentives, they have swaps in 2026, 2030, 2032 that they can trade)
Giannis + MT + RW3 to NYK
Bridges to Portland

Of course it can be expanded to include other stuff from these teams. But that is a way to go about it.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I think the problem is that this team doesn't have huge holes in the starting lineup. Our bench needs work.
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I think our bench only needs work because of health. Once Scoot comes back, it's a bench of Scoot, Love, Sidy, Grant and Williams, that's pretty good in my opinion. The only thing I'd do at the tradeline is a small consolidation trade to free up a spot for Love/Sidy, or just release Rupert or Duop to free up a roster spot.
 
I go back and forth on Bridges. Would be a great addition, those picks could be great. Or what if Milwaukee moves Giannis for win nowish pieces, and their late lotto picks, and ours are 20s. It's still a move up but not the jump up to top 3 we would hope for. Seems like a few swaps recently that people got excited about, like Phoenix, or Houston's at some point, don't look nearly as good pretty quickly after.

The Lowe portion, with Towns and Bridges, I don't know what to think, and don't know what that lineup even looks like.

Deni/Sharpe/Bridges/Towns/Clingan
with Scoot and Camara primary bench pieces. Seems like a score 140 and give up 130 lineup. Would be a lot of firepower on one end of the court.
 
andalusian said:
My guess is that NYC will have to do more - I would imagine any Giannis trade going out will need something like KAT's salary going in.

Something like KAT + picks + filler for the Bucks (and NY will have to provide some of these incentives, they have swaps in 2026, 2030, 2032 that they can trade)
Giannis + MT + RW3 to NYK
Bridges to Portland

Of course it can be expanded to include other stuff from these teams. But that is a way to go about it.
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I don't know that the Knicks would deal Kat, Bridges and picks for Giannis. Maybe, but they obviously value Bridges highly in order to trade 5 1sts for him.
 
JfizzleBlazer said:
Yeah, what do the Bucks get out of it though?

I don't think we can run away with Bridges for just say Grant and a 1st. It would more likely be Grant and three or four 1sts.
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Bucks get the three picks we own of theirs (and 2029 would be best of theirs/Ours/Boston) plus yes some young player(s). Sure they could take Grant but really they should just get whoever in the league has one of the worst contracts because they wouldn't be trying to win the next few years anyways.

One hickup could be the Bucks 2027 pick - its likely owned by the Hawks unless its top4 than the Pelicans get it. But really gives the Bucks no incentive to do a deal now or even in the summer.
 
JfizzleBlazer said:
I don't know that the Knicks would deal Kat, Bridges and picks for Giannis. Maybe, but they obviously value Bridges highly in order to trade 5 1sts for him.
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Oh I think they would jump at that. They did value Bridges highly but that was a few years ago and he was on a Deni like cheap contract back then.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Bucks get the three picks we own of theirs (and 2029 would be best of theirs/Ours/Boston) plus yes some young player(s). Sure they could take Grant but really they should just get whoever in the league has one of the worst contracts because they wouldn't be trying to win the next few years anyways.

One hickup could be the Bucks 2027 pick - its likely owned by the Hawks unless its top4 than the Pelicans get it. But really gives the Bucks no incentive to do a deal now or even in the summer.
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I wouldn't give up that much for Bridges.

I also was responding to the one pick and a young player comment.

I don't think I would give up Scoot and a 1st with salary filler (probably Grant) for Bridges either.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Bridges was 20+ ppg scorer on a Nets team that had literally no other talent. He's currently averaging 15.6 ppg on the Knicks.
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not bad considering the shots brunson and KAT demand and on 58%efg and a PER above 16. tou is at 55% on less shots and PER south of 11
 
JfizzleBlazer said:
I don't know that the Knicks would deal Kat, Bridges and picks for Giannis. Maybe, but they obviously value Bridges highly in order to trade 5 1sts for him.
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They don't have much in the way of picks. But they'd also be getting Jrue. So from them, KAT, Bridges, whatever swaps they might have for Giannis and Jrue seems like a great gamble to take. A real 2 year window around Brunson and Giannis, crazy good defense with Jrue, Giannis, Hart,, OG and Robinson to surround Brunson.
 
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