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BigGameDamian said:
I’m curious, when it comes to a trade suggestion, are you taking into account that Dame (Age 35) will be returning? It looks and you hear that his progress is coming along very nicely. Dame has said that this is the kind of team he’s been waiting for and he talks like he really believes that he can lead the team to championship level.
Do you think we have that championship level team with Dame coming back as is? If not then maybe a gamble on a Markkanen, AD or Sabonis type of player wouldn’t be so bad. I’m not suggesting, I’m just asking.
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If you could get Markanen, AD or Sabonis without giving up picks sure I'd give them Jrue and Thybulle or whatever. Problem is those teams want picks or something. Doesn't make sense from the Blazers end unless we're contending with Dame. One of those guys with Dame isn't anywhere close to contending.

We need a move or time to develop young guys that puts us in a spot to where we can make that final contending deal. We're just not there right now.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
If you could get Markanen, AD or Sabonis without giving up picks sure I'd give them Jrue and Thybulle or whatever. Problem is those teams want picks or something. Doesn't make sense from the Blazers end unless we're contending with Dame. One of those guys with Dame isn't anywhere close to contending.

We need a move or time to develop young guys that puts us in a spot to where we can make that final contending deal. We're just not there right now.
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But isn’t the plan to be contending with Dame? I’m just saying if we’re going to try and win a championship while he’s on the team don’t we need to be looking at building a little faster? Maybe taking that big gamble?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Who says no?
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I think the Pels have probably had enough of having a headcase as their best player. The only way the Wolves say yes is if their coaching staff thinks that a change of scenery would change Zion's health and attitude, which I doubt the think.

So the Wolves and the Pels would probably both be tempted but the Wolves would be smart to be risk averse and if the Pels are rebuilding then they don't want Ja's bullshit around their young players.
 
I challenge S2 — come up with a realistic scenario that lands all three:

*Herb Jones
*Corey Kispert
*Keon Ellis

Vaults Portland into a real threat ^

Go!
 
BigGameDamian said:
I’m curious, when it comes to a trade suggestion, are you taking into account that Dame (Age 35) will be returning? It looks and you hear that his progress is coming along very nicely. Dame has said that this is the kind of team he’s been waiting for and he talks like he really believes that he can lead the team to championship level.
Do you think we have that championship level team with Dame coming back as is? If not then maybe a gamble on a Markkanen, AD or Sabonis type of player wouldn’t be so bad. I’m not suggesting, I’m just asking.
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The only one of those three that I think would make a difference and fits with our team would be Davis. And I wouldn't do that unless it looked like he might be healthy. Of course if he proved to be healthy, the price would be too high.
 
Somebody commented in the game thread that our Bucks picks will be super-valuable at this rate. I think they could get us into a Giannis-to-Miami trade like this:
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(This assumes that Giannis has asked for a trade.)
Who says no?
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Somebody commented in the game thread that our Bucks picks will be super-valuable at this rate. I think they could get us into a Giannis-to-Miami trade like this:
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Who says no?
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What do the Heat look like after that deal?
Davion Mitchell
Norman Powell
Jerami Grant
Giannis
Jovic?

I know when you can land someone like Giannis, you go for it, but that team sucks after. Would they have cap space to go after anyone this off-season?
And can we just go for Giannis for ourselves? Scoot and Sharpe as a new young backcourt for Milwaukee, and their picks
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Somebody commented in the game thread that our Bucks picks will be super-valuable at this rate. I think they could get us into a Giannis-to-Miami trade like this:
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(This assumes that Giannis has asked for a trade.)
Who says no?
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No.

Unless you are speculating the cap space the Blazers get from this deal or maybe trading Bam or Clingan somewhere else, what does that do for the Blazers? It doesn't make us appreciably better in the short term, certainly not where we're going to be winning a first-round playoff series. We're giving up not one but potentially two lottery picks, a very good scorer/defender who can start or come off the bench and a great defensive big off the bench for a player that would be splitting time with Clingan for two years and then, if everything goes well, would be part of a logjam with Clingan and Yang in three years.

I'd argue that the way Grant's playing right now, we could position ourselves better by dealing him and Timelord at the deadline or before the next draft and not surrender two possible lottery picks in doing so.

But, again, if you are proposing this because it's the precursor to a deal that brings in a star-level player that somehow doesn't gut our roster to the point that it's not worth doing, then and only then is it worth consideration. Bam Abedayo's a great player, but he's not that great a player.
 
RR7 said:
And can we just go for Giannis for ourselves? Scoot and Sharpe as a new young backcourt for Milwaukee, and their picks
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No - Giannis and Dame didn't work before and now they're older. Not good enough to beat OKC or Denver (and probably not Houston or San Antone) and old and broken down soon after. (So why would Miami do it? Because they're always doing shit like that and then wildly overachieving. Plus they can fill out the roster with players they pull out of their ass.) The reason I suggest Bam is that he's the perfect small-ball center for our scrambling defense. Clingan is still useful because the way we play necessitates limiting minutes. Plus we can flip Yang to New Jersey for... MPJ? (Although he is a douchebag.)
 
Rastapopoulos said:
No - Giannis and Dame didn't work before and now they're older. Not good enough to beat OKC or Denver (and probably not Houston or San Antone) and old and broken down soon after. (So why would Miami do it? Because they're always doing shit like that and then wildly overachieving. Plus they can fill out the roster with players they pull out of their ass.) The reason I suggest Bam is that he's the perfect small-ball center for our scrambling defense. Clingan is still useful because the way we play necessitates limiting minutes. Plus we can flip Yang to New Jersey for... MPJ? (Although he is a douchebag.)
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what is Yang going to do in New Jersey? Join the Sopranos?
 
Zion in a change of scenery could save his career.

Im rolling with the Deni and Zion duo with Clingan patrolling the paint.

Do it Joe!
 
Cugel said:
Nobody, and I mean nobody, wants Yang.
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New Jersey REALLY wanted Yang in the draft, and I'm willing to bet they still do.

In fact, if he can get the Blazers' SL team better ratings than the NBA finals, then teams will want him even if he's not really an NBA player.
 
Yeah, I think there probably are more teams out there now that would like to have Yang than liked him heading into the draft. After seeing what he can do and what he might be having played against actual NBA players, I'd be willing to bet a bunch of GMs would roll the dice there even if it meant giving up a decent asset or two to get him.

When I listen to Blazer games being broadcast by other teams or ESPN and they talk about being impressed by Yang's skills and upside, it's pretty indicative that non-Blazer people think the Blazers got a potential big steal there.
 
PCmor7 said:
Yeah, I think there probably are more teams out there now that would like to have Yang than liked him heading into the draft. After seeing what he can do and what he might be having played against actual NBA players, I'd be willing to bet a bunch of GMs would roll the dice there even if it meant giving up a decent asset or two to get him.

When I listen to Blazer games being broadcast by other teams or ESPN and they talk about being impressed by Yang's skills and upside, it's pretty indicative that non-Blazer people think the Blazers got a potential big steal there.
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Funny, after watching him play I'm considerably more pessimistic. He's worse than clueless on D, and he also is very immobile when people run at him. Plus he doesn't have great touch on offense and we don't really have a style that suits him. He has to do a lot to make me forgive the team for trading Cedric Coward for him. Even if we, for some reason, wanted a center in the draft, Kalkenbrenner looks to be much better value.

But I continue to believe this was a business decision as much if not more than a talent decision.
 
Rastapopoulos said:
Funny, after watching him play I'm considerably more pessimistic. He's worse than clueless on D, and he also is very immobile when people run at him. Plus he doesn't have great touch on offense and we don't really have a style that suits him. He has to do a lot to make me forgive the team for trading Cedric Coward for him. Even if we, for some reason, wanted a center in the draft, Kalkenbrenner looks to be much better value.

But I continue to believe this was a business decision as much if not more than a talent decision.
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Obviously, I disagree with you on multiple points, some of which is just speculation on both our parts so going into the weeds about it doesn't serve the purpose of this thread. I think one thing that's pretty obviously wrong with your speculation, though, is the part about the Blazers wanting a center. The Blazers just drafted a center who had a good rookie campaign, plus this still had Ayton, Timelord and Reath. If they were looking to help the roster right now, they'd have drafted a wing or forward. From a roster perspective, this clearly was done because the Blazers thought Yang had a chance, no matter how small, but a legitimate chance nonetheless, to be a special talent.

None of which, BTW, goes against the post I made to which you responded. You aren't just arguing with me. You're arguing with a number of veteran NBA announcers who aren't affiliated with the Blazers who've made positive comments about Yang after almost everyone in the media and fandom (including me) bashed the pick the night of the draft. I liked Coward, too, but that has absolutely nothing to do with whether or not people see value in Yang.
 
BigGameDamian said:
But isn’t the plan to be contending with Dame? I’m just saying if we’re going to try and win a championship while he’s on the team don’t we need to be looking at building a little faster? Maybe taking that big gamble?
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Can Dame be that player again? Even at his peak he had major defensive limitations. I'm thinking Dame might be more like a post Achilies Kobe on the Lakers where his name and history is far bigger than his actual on court effectiveness.

If Dame proves otherwise next season maybe we make a trade prior to the 2027 February trade deadline. It would be near malpractice to give up a bunch of picks before that only for Dame to come back and be a Bradley Beal on Phoenix type of player.
 
Which is why we’d have to pony up those picks

But his injury does suck - fractured tip of his right thumb, his shooting hand :smiley-pat:
 
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