Way too early trade suggestions (3 Viewers)

[Cugel]

The idea Giannis would take a 25 win team to 55+ wins is absurd.

 

[RR7]

I like the idea, but Houston probably doesn't need us if they want Giannis

Yeah, it was less thinking that Houston needs us, and more wondering, would the Bucks prefer their picks back to a random young player from Houston? Would they value 2 swaps and their picks over Eason or Jabari?

 

[1 Eye Jack]

Who has more upside Kel El Ware or Clingan?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Who has more upside Kel El Ware or Clingan?

Ware is Whiteside 2.0. Clingan is somewhere between Mark Eaton and Bill Laimbeer

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Cugel]

Shit what a complement: one player separating POR from being a catastrophe vs. just being bad.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Yeah, we're on the way!

 

[Samuel]

Shit what a complement: one player separating POR from being a catastrophe vs. just being bad.

portland should have won the lottery and taken wemby instead, just like vecenie told them to!

 

[Rastapopoulos]

THIS THREAD IS FOR TRADE SUGGESTIONS and commentary thereon

 

[wizenheimer]

portland should have won the lottery and taken wemby instead, just like vecenie told them to!

not a healthy top-3 in the 2023 draft; so far...

Wemby has missed 58 games, and counting
Brandon Miller has missed 79 games
Scoot has missed 61 games, and counting

also, 8th pick Jarace Walker has missed 56 games; 9th pick Taylor Hendricks has missed 132 games; 11th pick Jett Howard has missed 95 games; 12th pick Dereck Lively has missed 91 games; 15th pick Kobe Bufkin has missed 161 games; 17th pick Jalen Hood-Schifino has missed 151 games; 21st pick Noah Clowney has missed 97 games; and 22nd pick Dariq Whitehead has missed 166 games. Now, I don't know how many DNP-CD's are in those numbers, but there may not be a big difference between not healthy enough to play and not good enough to play

Looks like a MASH draft

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

The next Deni - a player in a shit situation and needs a change of scenery - ……is……

ZION

An all-NBA talent with a ton of risk but one
you take on the cheap

 

[Cugel]

But taking a salary like Zion's will impact what offer could be made to keep Deni. There is a decent chance he will follow the money. He will want to get paid so POR has to plan for that.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

The next Deni - a player in a shit situation and needs a change of scenery - ……is……

ZION

An all-NBA talent with a ton of risk but one
you take on the cheap

But we don't have the contracts. New Orleans can just terminate his contract this Summer, right? So they won't want contracts past then (like Jerami)
Zion to the Clippers would be intriguing.

 

[Samuel]

Looks like a MASH draft

media REALLY don't seem to want to talk about wemby as an injury-prone player yet. it's all framed up as 'proactive maintenance' by the spurs.

'whatever you say, guys'

 

[Samuel]

sounds like klay wants to jump ship.

the numbers work here, but would need a third team to take reath and/or tisse since mavs will be in cost-cutting mode.

or, tisse can simply stick around the team he signed with originally!

 

[blazerkor]

Assuming that Tisse is healthy by the trade deadline. The Hawks do it to put another 3 and D wing with Tre, they would also get Tisse's bird rights. The Pistons do this as a consolidation trade to get championship experience on the current one seed in the East. When Tobias Harris is healthy there are games where Stewart and Holland get DNPs.



According to everything I've read we can waive players that don't fit onto our roster because of roster limitations so in this trade we would waive Vincent and Kleiber. I think if this is the best trade we could get from the Lakers that we should take it but I think it's likely we could extract a swap or a future FRP with let's say top 10 protection. This trade would be made after the above trade, keeping us out of the luxury tax.



We do this for to get a better player who better fits our system and they do it because Clingan is still a great prospect and for the draft capital.



Finally we do this to get some value for Rob while he's healthy and because Dalen Terry played the 1 in college and is versatile. Obviously the big draw of this one is freeing up our picks. They do it because they're in playoff contention (not even a game outside of the play-in and 4.5 games out of the 6th seed) and this makes them better. We would waive Phillips.



This is obviously a lot of wheeling and dealing so it is very very unlikely to happen but if it did we would have a rotation that makes a lot more sense for the schemes we're currently playing. I do think the Jerami trade would have to be coupled with one of the other trades to keep us out of the tax but I would do any of the other three trades by itself.

TLDR The rotation would end up being: Scoot, Shaedon, Deni, Toumani, Sarr, Stewart, Holland, Vanderbilt, Terry and Blake once he's healthy. A ten man rotation with every player being switchable and extremely athletic.

 

[Foxx]

Assuming that Tisse is healthy by the trade deadline. The Hawks do it to put another 3 and D wing with Tre, they would also get Tisse's bird rights. The Pistons do this as a consolidation trade to get championship experience on the current one seed in the East. When Tobias Harris is healthy there are games where Stewart and Holland get DNPs.

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According to everything I've read we can waive players that don't fit onto our roster because of roster limitations so in this trade we would waive Vincent and Kleiber. I think if this is the best trade we could get from the Lakers that we should take it but I think it's likely we could extract a swap or a future FRP with let's say top 10 protection. This trade would be made after the above trade, keeping us out of the luxury tax.

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We do this for to get a better player who better fits our system and they do it because Clingan is still a great prospect and for the draft capital.

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Finally we do this to get some value for Rob while he's healthy and because Dalen Terry played the 1 in college and is versatile. Obviously the big draw of this one is freeing up our picks. They do it because they're in playoff contention (not even a game outside of the play-in and 4.5 games out of the 6th seed) and this makes them better. We would waive Phillips.

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This is obviously a lot of wheeling and dealing so it is very very unlikely to happen but if it did we would have a rotation that makes a lot more sense for the schemes we're currently playing. I do think the Jerami trade would have to be coupled with one of the other trades to keep us out of the tax but I would do any of the other three trades by itself.

TLDR The rotation would end up being: Scoot, Shaedon, Deni, Toumani, Sarr, Stewart, Holland, Vanderbilt, Terry and Blake once he's healthy. A ten man rotation with every player being switchable and extremely athletic.

The Sarr/dc trade is horrible.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

DC over Sarr

No way I’d do that deal

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

ORL 1RP to Orlando

Jase Richardson to Portland

 

[blazerkor]

The Sarr/dc trade is horrible.

DC over Sarr

No way I’d do that deal

I feel like you guys haven't been watching very many Wizards games and I don't blame you but Sarr is legit, especially in the age of Wemby and Chet.

If we could get him without some or any of the picks that would be great but I think he's better than Clingan now and has more upside. I also think Clingan is extremely ill fitted for what our team is trying to do and Sarr is a much better fit. Obviously our valuations of players can be different.

 

[ant]

I feel like you guys haven't been watching very many Wizards games and I don't blame you but Sarr is legit, especially in the age of Wemby and Chet.

If we could get him without some or any of the picks that would be great but I think he's better than Clingan now and has more upside. I also think Clingan is extremely ill fitted for what our team is trying to do and Sarr is a much better fit. Obviously our valuations of players can be different.

Yeah, Sarr would be so much better for our fast, switchy team. I like DC picks and rebounds, but he’s so slow and limited on offense.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

ORL 1RP to Orlando

Jase Richardson to Portland

Nobody's going to give up on a promising 2025 draft pick yet. So no Jase Richardson, no Murray-Boyles, and absolutely no Cedric Coward. Those ships sailed.


Unless.... we're involved in a Giannis-to-Orlando trade and the Bucks would rather have one of their picks instead of Jase.

 

[1 Eye Jack]

I’d be shocked if we aren’t some how involved in Gianis trade. They need at least some of those picks back more than they need a good young player and we aren’t giving those picks back without getting back great value. I don’t know how a team rebuilds when they don’t have so many of their own picks.

They can’t trade Gianis for that teams 1st rounders because with Gianis the teams pick will be late 1st round, so either we get involved or team like OKC can offer some others teams picks that they own

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I SUGGESTED THIS TWO SEASONS AGO

 

[Cugel]

Dead last. Ouch. And none of the injured blazers slated to come back soon are good 3pt shooters either.

 

[blazerkor]

Dead last. Ouch. And none of the injured blazers slated to come back soon are good 3pt shooters either.

Jrue for sure would be shooting better than the team is. Tisse and Scoot have both shown better shooting than the team is averaging right now. So there are injured players who will bring the team 3 point shooting average up on their own.

Then you get into the fact that Jrue is the best player on our team at setting up offense including open threes. Scoot is either the second best or third behind Deni at setting up teammates with open threes.

So I don't expect us to go from last to a top 10 three point shooting team but even with no trades we would climb out of the bottom spot if healthy... I'm not sure how many spots we'd climb but we would be markedly better.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to see trades that make this roster better at executing the current schemes on both ends and part of that would be making threes at a higher percentage.

 

[wizenheimer]

Jrue for sure would be shooting better than the team is. Tisse and Scoot have both shown better shooting than the team is averaging right now. So there are injured players who will bring the team 3 point shooting average up on their own.

Then you get into the fact that Jrue is the best player on our team at setting up offense including open threes. Scoot is either the second best or third behind Deni at setting up teammates with open threes.

So I don't expect us to go from last to a top 10 three point shooting team but even with no trades we would climb out of the bottom spot if healthy... I'm not sure how many spots we'd climb but we would be markedly better.

Don't get me wrong I'd like to see trades that make this roster better at executing the current schemes on both ends and part of that would be making threes at a higher percentage.

Scoot's career mark is 34%; and his career 2ptFG% is 46.9% when the team's mark is 53.6%, so Scoot may be a real leaky vessel to put sh0oting efficiency hope in

Thybulle's career mark is 34.5%. He has shot better while in Portland but he's also in street clothes way too much to depend on, especially considering he's a 20 minute/game backup

I don't think Scoot + Thybulle is going to alter this situation enough to matter. Jrue is a different matter. He's also not a miracle worker

Blazers were 26th in 3 ptFG% last season; they were again 30th in 2023-24. So, this isn't a new issue. On the other hand they were 14th in 2022-23 when they had Dame and he was having his best season. So, all it would take is a top-50; but Dame's impact was underrated by many here

 

[BigGameDamian]

 

[Cugel]

I think you have to listen to offers for Deni. You could probably get strong draft assets for him. I am not convinced he will stay in POR when the time comes for two reasons: 1) He could get offered a ton of money on teams with more cap space. POR may not be able to match the best offer. 2) He may want to actually win. How could he turn down a huge deal from a great team that had cap space? POR has no signs, and I mean zero, of getting out of this shit show they are mired in. Essentially he left WAS for a similar shit show in a different time zone.

I like the guy, even with all the turnovers, but if you could prise a top 4 pick for him do you say no? Let’s just say for the sake of argument, OKC offers LAC’s 2026 pick which could be huge in this draft. Do you jump on it? I just don’t see him staying in POR if he gets a chance to leave and he surely will get more than one great offer.