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julius said:
I thought it ended up being a sign and trade?
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Even if it did, that's not really in the category of a trade IMHO, it's a technicality IMHO and should not be included in the "blockbuster trade analysis"
 
wizenheimer said:
I think you're missing the actual impact of several 'big-time-trades'. Yeah, a lot fail, eventually, and sometimes soon. But many resulted in championships...

Paul George-->SGA+Jalen Williams-->OKC
AD-->Lakers-->Doncic (unknown if latter succeeds, 1st did for sure, once)
Aaron Gordon-->Nuggets
KG/Pierce-->Nets-->picks to Boston-->Tatum/Brown
Pau Gasol-->Lakers
KG/Allen-->Celtics
Jrue-->Bucks
Jrue-->Celtics
Shaq-->Miami
Kidd-->Mavericks
Moses Malone-->76ers
Clyde-->Houston (although as you pointed out they were already a champion)
Rodman-->Bulls (ditto)
Jabbar-->Lakers (fuggin lakers)

and there have been other big-time trades that at least elevated teams from middle-of-pack or pretender to almost-contender/contender and added excitement for the fans: Barkely-->Suns; Gobert-->Wolves; KAT-Knicks/Randle-->Wolves; Mitchell-->Cavs

all that said, I think it would be a big mistake for Portland to go all-in on a Giannis trade. For one thing I don't believe the suggested price will be close to enough. For another, Giannis will be turning 32 early next season. And contrary to what some believe, even if the price didn't include Avdija I still think Giannis/Deni would be a very awkward mix. The best version of either player is as primary facilitator and there's only one ball. Giannis is no good as a catch-n-shoot/spot-up option, so Deni would be relegated
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Nearly all of those examples are before 1st apron and even 2nd apron restrictions. That's totally changed how NBA teams can build a title winner with 2-3 max players.

Also the talent level is so deep in the NBA now. Title teams need quality role players as their 5th-8th best player while decades ago filling those roles with vet minimum guys was fine.

While I could still see an example of acquiring a 1st or 2nd team All NBA level player working out for the right franchise, that's a very unusual situation for today's NBA teams. Just see all the franchises that Durant/Harden/Paul George joined where it backfired.

Decades ago the team that acquired those 1st/2nd team star nearly always won the trade. Now that's basically the exact opposite.

I'm also not convinced Giannis is going to return the haul some expect. Yes one good young player and multiple FRP. But giving up more and a team that's is below the luxury tax aprons to even be able to do the trade just doesn't have many or any possible trade partners. The team acquiring Giannis needs to be a contender after the deal. SAS or OKC are about the only franchises with enough assets and not sure they would even want a 32 year old aging star when they are doing so well as is.

If Giannis is available I'd be fine giving up a couple picks and one young player. But I'm not mortgaging all our youth and picks like Phoenix did for Durant which would certainly backfire. Happy to just keep building this team slowly and see if Dame can chip in anything next season.
 
Below are the 17 players we currently have on the team. Two of them, I think, we would all like to see converted from 2-way contracts.
So what do we do? A 3-for-1 trade would be helpful but difficult.

Maybe we cut 2 players that we don't think we will be resigning next year? Here is a potential list of those with ending contracts.
As much as I love Thybulle, his injury history makes me select him as one of the candidates. Does Williams also fall into this category? He is so good when he plays that I would love to try to resign him on the cheap.

Duop Reath
Matisse Thybulle
Robert Williams
Ryan Rupert
Blake Wesley

That leaves us with these:

Guards:
Jrue Holiday
Damian Lillard
Scoot Henderson
Shaedon Sharpe
Caleb Love

Forwards:
Jerami Grant
Deni Avdija
Toumani Camara
Kris Murray
Sidy Cissoko

Centers
Donovan Clingan
Hansen Yang
 
Really think we have to have at least one mobile defensive center on roster. Would love to keep RWill but if not then we need to be adding someone who can fill that role. I think YH and Clingan are somewhat repetitive.
 
You get rid of Matisse, Rupert, or Murray. Matisse has some trade value because of his exceptional defense. The others: zilch. I dont know enough about Wesley. At some point the idea of unloading Scoot has to be considered. I would rather see what he can do healthy but if you get a fair return you have to consider it. RW 3 has value but I would hate to see him go. Right now he basically does limited minutes. He cant do 30 a night. Holiday also has value, but I think he is a special player and would weep to see him go. He is just a really really good basketball player.
 
Cugel said:
You get rid of Matisse, Rupert, or Murray. Matisse has some trade value because of his exceptional defense. The others: zilch. I dont know enough about Wesley. At some point the idea of unloading Scoot has to be considered. I would rather see what he can do healthy but if you get a fair return you have to consider it. RW 3 has value but I would hate to see him go. Right now he basically does limited minutes. He cant do 30 a night. Holiday also has value, but I think he is a special player and would weep to see him go. He is just a really really good basketball player.
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Matisse and Blake did nothing wrong, but they're kind of out of a job. Wesley was super disruptive on defense, but it seems like that had more to do with our schemes in general than anything he was personally bringing. Rupert is gaining some traction, but he'd have more value going out than riding the pine behind Grant and Murray. Duop Reath is also on the roster, and I like both him and Timelord, but one of them should go while they have value to other teams.
 
SharpesTriumph said:
Nearly all of those examples are before 1st apron and even 2nd apron restrictions. That's totally changed how NBA teams can build a title winner with 2-3 max players.
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I wasn't dealing with that. I was just pointing out that there are several examples, not just 2 or 3, of teams improving after big-swing trades

and by the way, a big swing trade doesn't just have to be a team going all in on landing a star. It can be teams trading a star for a godfather collection of prospects, short contracts, and draft picks. Big swings on the future, not only the present
 
To be honest, tonight right after the game would be a great night for Joe to make a trade or two. Maybe it/they'd be the only move(s) he would make or maybe it would be to set up another move or more at the deadline.

The reason I say tonight is that if the trades are there then this would allow the team the most time between games to get new players in, do a presser and be ready as a team to play together before the next game on Thursday.
 
blazerkor said:
To be honest, tonight right after the game would be a great night for Joe to make a trade or two. Maybe it/they'd be the only move(s) he would make or maybe it would be to set up another move or more at the deadline.

The reason I say tonight is that if the trades are there then this would allow the team the most time between games to get new players in, do a presser and be ready as a team to play together before the next game on Thursday.
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What's the urgency for - our title run?
 
I never thought I’d say this but we need to make room for Love and for Cidy. If no trades my two cuts would be Duop and Murray. I love Murray on defensive end but feel like Cody gives you as good of defense while also giving you some offense.

Curious can we sign Love and include him in trade? I ask not because I want to get rid of him but in about 8 months we are going to have to many guards and may need to choose between Blake and Love. The way Love is playing he might have some value now and combining home with another player might get you a better return
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I never thought I’d say this but we need to make room for Love and for Cidy. If no trades my two cuts would be Duop and Murray. I love Murray on defensive end but feel like Cody gives you as good of defense while also giving you some offense.

Curious can we sign Love and include him in trade? I ask not because I want to get rid of him but in about 8 months we are going to have to many guards and may need to choose between Blake and Love. The way Love is playing he might have some value now and combining home with another player might get you a better return
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Wouldn't they still need to pay Murray 5 million next year if they cut him?
If so, I don't think it will happen. I think the "cutting" option will only include those with ending contracts. I think I would go with Tisse and one of the following: Rupert, Wesley, or Duop. Not sure how much Thybulle will command next year to resign, but his injuries are an issue for me.
 
There are a lot of intracicies involved in the roster this year, but also the roster next year. The team the Blazers are putting on the floor now is going to change a lot with Dame in the lineup, and then even more if Scoot's still around.

Love makes a lot of sense now. Next year, where does he fit?

I bet there's another dynamic at play. I wouldn't be at all shocked if Love has become something of Dame's protege. The way his game has emerged in the last month looks a lot like Dame. Same size. Came into the NBA around the same age. Both scoring PGs. It makes too much sense.

And if Dame wants Love to stay here, Love will stay here, even if it might not makes sense roster-wise next season.

I like Wesley, too, but, if Scoot returns, he makes Wesley superfluous in his ability to defend and push the ball and he has a lot more potential as a halfcourt offensive player.

Duop would be an easy choice to free a roster spot if he didn't offer one thing in abundance that the roster otherwise lacks: A reliable 3-point catch shooter.

Matisse isn't just a good defender, he's a great defender, and even more valuable to the Blazers the way I think they want to run things than he'd be to most other teams. Like some said, though, he'd be easy to trade. We might get good value, but I suspect it wouldn't match the value he gives to our style of play. Actually, the biggest value would be in opening up a roster spot.

I think you keep Timelord unless you can fleece a team. Again, he fits the program. Yang won't be ready for at least two years. If you think next year you might be in a position to go top six in the West, you need someone like him.

We're finally seeing what Rupert can do, and he's good on defense and solid dribbling. And he's just 21. But you have a bit of redundancy with him, Kris and Sidy. Unless they think Rayan is on the verge of becoming something in the next couple of years, he's the clear odd man out. The other thing is where do the Blazers decision-makers slot Murray v Cissoko? Sidy's basically Murray's equal now at three years younger, but he's also three inches shorter.

Barring a trade the Blazers can't refuse, I'd stand pat and just let Caleb and Sidy try to grow their games for the Remix once they run out of games, presuming Scoot, Thybulle, Kris, Wesley, will be back. I don't know the rules, though, for when the Blazers have to make the decision whether or not to upgrade them from two-way. But there are a lot of decisions that need to be made before next year -- I'm really interested in seeing if Dame will be content letting this team revolve around Deni, which, honestly, I think would be in his best interest, but part of the thing that goes with being a star is usually a star's ego, so I have no idea if that transition with be smooth or not.
 
1 Eye Jack said:
I never thought I’d say this but we need to make room for Love and for Cidy. If no trades my two cuts would be Duop and Murray. I love Murray on defensive end but feel like Cody gives you as good of defense while also giving you some offense.

Curious can we sign Love and include him in trade? I ask not because I want to get rid of him but in about 8 months we are going to have to many guards and may need to choose between Blake and Love. The way Love is playing he might have some value now and combining home with another player might get you a better return
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it's tricky

Blazers are 1.5M below the tax line. Meaning they could waive Reath and upgrade Love to a standard, pro-rated minimum deal and end up around 800-900K below the tax line

as Pinwheel said, Portland exercised the 2026-27 option for Kris Murray last October so they are locked into his 5.3M salary next season. I'll agree with pinwheel that I'd assign Thybulle as the first candidate for waiving. He's probably not going to play before the trade deadline and even if he does, it won't enhance his trade value....which I'm assuming is less than zero; and I don't think he's worth re-signing. I know Reath is the easy reach but with Timelord's injury history, and Yang being less than useless, Portland could end up really thin at C and Reath would help
 
PCmor7 said:
There are a lot of intracicies involved in the roster this year, but also the roster next year. The team the Blazers are putting on the floor now is going to change a lot with Dame in the lineup, and then even more if Scoot's still around.

Love makes a lot of sense now. Next year, where does he fit?

I bet there's another dynamic at play. I wouldn't be at all shocked if Love has become something of Dame's protege. The way his game has emerged in the last month looks a lot like Dame. Same size. Came into the NBA around the same age. Both scoring PGs. It makes too much sense.

And if Dame wants Love to stay here, Love will stay here, even if it might not makes sense roster-wise next season.

I like Wesley, too, but, if Scoot returns, he makes Wesley superfluous in his ability to defend and push the ball and he has a lot more potential as a halfcourt offensive player.

Duop would be an easy choice to free a roster spot if he didn't offer one thing in abundance that the roster otherwise lacks: A reliable 3-point catch shooter.

Matisse isn't just a good defender, he's a great defender, and even more valuable to the Blazers the way I think they want to run things than he'd be to most other teams. Like some said, though, he'd be easy to trade. We might get good value, but I suspect it wouldn't match the value he gives to our style of play. Actually, the biggest value would be in opening up a roster spot.

I think you keep Timelord unless you can fleece a team. Again, he fits the program. Yang won't be ready for at least two years. If you think next year you might be in a position to go top six in the West, you need someone like him.

We're finally seeing what Rupert can do, and he's good on defense and solid dribbling. And he's just 21. But you have a bit of redundancy with him, Kris and Sidy. Unless they think Rayan is on the verge of becoming something in the next couple of years, he's the clear odd man out. The other thing is where do the Blazers decision-makers slot Murray v Cissoko? Sidy's basically Murray's equal now at three years younger, but he's also three inches shorter.

Barring a trade the Blazers can't refuse, I'd stand pat and just let Caleb and Sidy try to grow their games for the Remix once they run out of games, presuming Scoot, Thybulle, Kris, Wesley, will be back. I don't know the rules, though, for when the Blazers have to make the decision whether or not to upgrade them from two-way. But there are a lot of decisions that need to be made before next year -- I'm really interested in seeing if Dame will be content letting this team revolve around Deni, which, honestly, I think would be in his best interest, but part of the thing that goes with being a star is usually a star's ego, so I have no idea if that transition with be smooth or not.
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The only thing about Love and Cissoko. Right now the Blazers are the only team that can sign them to real contract. Once the season is over, every team has the same chance at them. (at least that is how i understand it). OK, I just read some more. Blazers can make a qualifying offer to them after the season; this will make them restricted free agents and Blazers can match any offer make by another club.
 
I would hate to cut Rupert. Not because I think we need him, but because I just like him.
However, he is probably the one I would cut if forced to make room.

If I understand it correctly, we could cut him, and if no one else picked him up off waivers, we could resign him to a two-way contract...at least until we find out if we have a spot next year for him. I assume we would need to cut one of the current 2-way guys to make room.

IMO, he still needs to work on his 3-ball. He seems to have regressed a bit on that. It does not look like there is much rotation on it.

Wesley is a perfect fit for this team, but yeah, he would be buried on the bench until Jrue and Dame need rest or are injured. That works for me.
Duop is a good 3rd string center who can play some PF because of his range. I would want to keep him until we know what happens to Williams.
Some Tisse and Rupert would be my two.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I would hate to cut Rupert. Not because I think we need him, but because I just like him.
However, he is probably the one I would cut if forced to make room.

If I understand it correctly, we could cut him, and if no one else picked him up off waivers, we could resign him to a two-way contract...at least until we find out if we have a spot next year for him. I assume we would need to cut one of the current 2-way guys to make room.

IMO, he still needs to work on his 3-ball. He seems to have regressed a bit on that. It does not look like there is much rotation on it.

Wesley is a perfect fit for this team, but yeah, he would be buried on the bench until Jrue and Dame need rest or are injured. That works for me.
Duop is a good 3rd string center who can play some PF because of his range. I would want to keep him until we know what happens to Williams.
Some Tisse and Rupert would be my two.
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I like them all if they work hard. Want them all to succeed. Don’t miss Payton, Ayton, etc
 
UKRAINEFAN said:
The only thing about Love and Cissoko. Right now the Blazers are the only team that can sign them to real contract. Once the season is over, every team has the same chance at them. (at least that is how i understand it). OK, I just read some more. Blazers can make a qualifying offer to them after the season; this will make them restricted free agents and Blazers can match any offer make by another club.
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Pretty sure since we wouldn't have his bird rights, We could only match up to whatever exceptions we have available. If someone really falls in love and has a higher exception or cap space that is more than our exceptions, we may not be able to sign him.
 
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