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magnifier661 said:
I'm actually thinking this is mental. Once he stops overthinking and getting down so quickly after a bad play, he will be a big contributor. We need a few big blow out games to give him even more burn.
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I don't know man... CJ doesn't strike me as especially athletic. I think he's hitting a ceiling. It will be up to him to adapt and adjust his game.
 
Natebishop3 said:
I don't know man... CJ doesn't strike me as especially athletic. I think he's hitting a ceiling. It will be up to him to adapt and adjust his game.
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Nah look at those two possessions when he turned the ball over in a row. His decision to push it up and drive into defense was a bad decision. If he played under control, that wouldn't have happened.

He needs to relax... Maybe Dame and Stotts needs to have a heart to heart with him
 
magnifier661 said:
Nah look at those two possessions when he turned the ball over in a row. His decision to push it up and drive into defense was a bad decision. If he played under control, that wouldn't have happened.

He needs to relax... Maybe Dame and Stotts needs to have a heart to heart with him
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Confidence is something that has to come from within. It's not something you can coach or teach. He's either going to overcome it, or he's going to be one of those guys that simply can't produce on the court.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Confidence is something that has to come from within. It's not something you can coach or teach. He's either going to overcome it, or he's going to be one of those guys that simply can't produce on the court.
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I definitely agree with everything you just posted but it helps when the best guard and the coach can encourage you.

Sometimes the mental thing has more to do with letting you teammates down. If our leaders can encourage him more, it could jump start this "spirit from within" motivation
 
KeepOnRollin said:
This

/end thread (but it won't)
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It isn't one game though. He didn't really produce last season, which was fine because he was a rookie and he missed the first couple months, but he still looks extremely raw for someone who was supposed to be able to produce right away. You don't draft a college senior to develop them. You draft a college senior because you think they're going to be able to help immediately.
 
I would throw out CJ's game last night. He was fine in the first half as his unit played well. Granted he was bad in the second half.

Although slipping on the new court was embarrassing, I doubt it will happen very often. Dribbling in traffic is a learning experience and he has to learn not to. Wes can't do it either. (We used to cringe when Roy did it)

He just needs time to adjust to what he can and can't do at this level. I am confident that a quick mid range pull up jumper off of a screen will work well for him. And he will be just fine with the 3 ball. He does not need to take over the game, just play a solid all around game.
 
I loved our bench last night -- overall. I kept track in the first half and our bench players made up lost ground -- I think we went from 8 back to 4 back -- while they were in. It seemed the Blazers bench players also outscored/outplayed OKC in the second half.

I'm not ready to throw CJ under the bus. He's inexperienced/a work in progress. He shows flashes. Give him some time before abandonning him.

Dorrel Wright OTOH is garbage. He was a disappointment last season, and he was flat out terrible last night. From the moment he went into the game in the first half he was a disaster especially on defense. The one block he had was only because he got beat badly in the first place and was lucky to recover and get a finger on the ball. He's a vet. He doesn't get the leeway I'm giving near rookie CJ. OH, yeah, Unless I'm mistaken, coach yanked him from the game and didn't play him in the second half. I'm warming up the bus now.

There's nothing I can say about Kaman that everyone didn't see. Sixth man of the year candidate who saved our bacon last night.
 
BBert said:
Dorrel Wright OTOH is garbage. He was a disappointment last season, and he was flat out terrible last night. From the moment he went into the game in the first half he was a disaster especially on defense. The one block he had was only because he got beat badly in the first place and was lucky to recover and get a finger on the ball. He's a vet. He doesn't get the leeway I'm giving near rookie CJ. OH, yeah, Unless I'm mistaken, coach yanked him from the game and didn't play him in the second half. I'm warming up the bus now.
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Just awful. At this point Robinson would be a better back-up SF than Wright. Our rebounding sucked last night, and that's one area where you'll get fairly consistent effort out of Robinson. Also, his offense is a fair bit better than Wright's. That's not saying much, but Robinson can make some nifty passes for easy lay-ups and I'd rather watch him shoot 15-footers than Wright do anything with the ball. And what the heck, I'll go all the way - Robinson is a better defender than Wright, too. Sure, he'll lose his man, but Wright lost his man on every possession!
 
blue9 said:
Just awful. At this point Robinson would be a better back-up SF than Wright. Our rebounding sucked last night, and that's one area where you'll get fairly consistent effort out of Robinson. Also, his offense is a fair bit better than Wright's. That's not saying much, but Robinson can make some nifty passes for easy lay-ups and I'd rather watch him shoot 15-footers than Wright do anything with the ball. And what the heck, I'll go all the way - Robinson is a better defender than Wright, too. Sure, he'll lose his man, but Wright lost his man on every possession!
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That would be interesting to see as long as playing the SF, TRob does not play away from the basket on offense. Maybe a Kaman, Leonard, and TRob front line could work.

Will is also an option instead of Wright.
 
Natebishop3 said:
The problem I've seen with CJ is that he isn't very quick. He's quick by college standards, and he's quick by NBDL or summer league standards, but he isn't that quick by NBA standards. He has trouble getting by his man, and his ball handling isn't that great either. He's an okay shooter, but most of his skills seem to be reliant on getting into the paint. He hasn't really been able to do that consistently in the regular season.
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This is pretty much my opinion on CJ as well. I am not saying he is garbage, but he also is not going to be an NBA starting guard. He may turn out to be an ok role player, but he is near his ceiling already due to his lack of physical skills and average shooting ability.

I have never really liked the pick to begin with, I thought it was wishful thinking they had found another Lillard. We need to find a legit backup SG either in the draft or free agency, CJ will be a non-factor.
 
Could you imagine a "triangle"-style offense for a few minutes a game where LMA, Kaman and RoLo are the pillars passing it around inside, and then having Dame and either Nic or Wes spotting up to bomb away from 3?
 
CJ's played in 39 games--not even 500 minutes in the league--and in low-leverage situations every minute of that. He may be horrible, he may be Vinnie Johnson in 3 years, but I don't think anyone can say he's definitively anything right now.

Agree on Dorell. A one-dimensional shooter who's missing wide-open shots isn't as useful as you might think.

Blake's shot, otoh, looked extremely short every time he shot it. Wonder if he's still feeling whatever sickness he had at the end of preseason.
 
Crabbe might be actually be our best option to back Nic up at the 3.
 
BrianFromWA said:
CJ's played in 39 games--not even 500 minutes in the league--and in low-leverage situations every minute of that. He may be horrible, he may be Vinnie Johnson in 3 years, but I don't think anyone can say he's definitively anything right now.

Agree on Dorell. A one-dimensional shooter who's missing wide-open shots isn't as useful as you might think.

Blake's shot, otoh, looked extremely short every time he shot it. Wonder if he's still feeling whatever sickness he had at the end of preseason.
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I actually think it's a conditioning issue; which maybe connected to this. I was thinking Stott's should welcome him shooting a closer shot until his conditioning is better. Maybe 15-20 ft.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Crabbe might be actually be our best option to back Nic up at the 3.
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I'd be fine with that, too. Wright was so horrible last season that after only 1 minute this season I don't ever want to see him on the floor again. Depth at the back-up SF goes like this:

Robinson, Barton, Claver, Crabbe, Leonard, Freeland, Kaman, Wright, CJ

With the first four being more or less 1a-1d.
 
It's hard to believe, but our bench is WORSE this year. Hopefully, Leonard can kick in 10 ppg. Otherwise, yikes!
 
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Crabbe might be actually be our best option to back Nic up at the 3.

magnifier661 said:
I'm actually down to try that... Crabbe is a good shooter, plus he seems to be extremely active on the defensive end.
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I would be up for that as well. Wright hasn't showed me anything in 1+ season to warrant much time. Crabbe has a serious stroke and seems more active as well if much less experienced.
 
PtldPlatypus said:
Crabbe might be actually be our best option to back Nic up at the 3.
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If thats true we're fucked. Keep his eye on Mike Dunleavy. If Doug McDermott can continue playing well Dunleavy might become available later this season.
 
Wizard Mentor said:
CJ is fine, you guys need to chill out.
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I'm more in line with Wizard here. I don't think CJ has done enough to make us come up with the conclusion that he sucks. He is trying to fit in and do the right things when he is in there. Not trying to force it and to do too much just to prove he can play. I thought he did a nice job keeping the man he was guarding in front of him. He didn't help the team tonight...but he didn't hurt them either.

I think he can play. Right now the whole team is flat. They don't look good at all more specifically our point guard. But they are going to get it together. Give them all time.
 
My orig. #1 MLE target (before teams went apeshit and priced up guys) Isaiah Thomas is beasting so far in PHX.

Instant scoring.
 
KingSpeed said:
It's hard to believe, but our bench is WORSE this year. Hopefully, Leonard can kick in 10 ppg. Otherwise, yikes!
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A quick fix would be to substitute McCollum for Barton. Barton will get you quick garbage points.
 
We need a guard (or Forward) since Mo isn't around, who can give us around 10 ppg and that player isn't on this roster so we need to make a trade, perhaps moving TRob to the Bulls for Dunleavy. Who else would be good here?
 
Our overall bench points have gone up without Mo. Last night our bench outscored the Kings bench.
 
kjironman1 said:
Our overall bench points have gone up without Mo. Last night our bench outscored the Kings bench.
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Our starters sorta sucked last night, bench was okay, gotta get a helluva lot more out of Lillard and Batum, Lillard may have scored 20 but he was 4 of 13 and his only field goals made were 3's, so no mid range or penetration baskets from our PG - that's suckage IMO, LMA 3 rebs?
 
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Bench scored 20 on opening. So we are 3.5 points worse than last year.
 
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