Webber Again?

[Mr. J]

<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The only problem for Isiah is that Webber is recovering from the same microfracture surgery that Allan Houston had. With all the troubles Houston has had, it would be a huge risk to bring in another 30-year-old player suffering from the same knee problems.</div>
Newark Star Ledger
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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Thomas may try to trade one of his expiring contracts ? such as Penny Hardaway or Tim Thomas ? for Webber this summer as long as the Knicks don't give up futures.</div>
New York Post
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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">The Knicks need an All-Star-caliber big man, and some believe the Kings are ready to trade Webber. Considering the Knicks' willingness to take on large contracts, and the aggressive moves by the president Isiah Thomas to upgrade the roster, they would be a likely trade partner.</div>
New York Times (Registration Required)
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<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Kings forward Chris Webber has been the object of the Knicks' affections before, and with the Feb. 24 NBA trade deadline quickly approaching, he might be again.</div>
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I'm willing to accept the fact we are doing horribly and might go into the lottery. Chris Webber wants to be a Knick now. What I say to that is NO! Chris Webber had his chance a couple of years ago when he burned us. He could have signed with us as a free agent but he decided to take that ridiculously high contract by Sacramento in that offseason. That same offseason was what got us to our down fall?Houston?s 100 million dollar contract.

Anyway, the very fact that he said give away one of our expiring contracts for Chris Webber I have mixed emotions. My mixed feelings was laughing at the very thought, and sad because we all know Isiah. Everyone knows that Chris Webber is overpaid and he is suffering from the same surgery that Allan Houston had not too long ago. Now, we are willing to give away one of our huge expiring contracts to get temporarily better? We saw how this turned out. Phoenix did to us, now look where they are. Chris Webber will give us some scoring, some nice passing and the whole works but, how long will he be able to do that? I doubt for long. In the next year when Sacramento saves cap room, we just get worse and worse in the cap until we are completely unable to fix the problem for a couple of decades.

Isiah said something that I agreed with yesterday. He said something like we can not confuse ourselves with old talent or something like that. He mean Chris Webber is overpaid for what he can do on the floor, is injury prone and we can?t throw money at him like that. I really hope this is some silly NY rumor. With the deadline in a couple of weeks, I think Isiah Thomas is going to make a silly trade to get us over the hump instead of a decent trade that we will not be regretting getting us over the hump. I wonder what that will do to the development of Michael Sweetney. He will get maybe 5 minutes a game and always be behind Webber. It would just be wasted talent. Webber I guess can also play the 5 but, wouldn?t that be taking him out of his natural position. What will that do with Mohammed also. He had a great night yesterday and has had a great season so far. He looks to really be developing into a really good find by Isiah. Now taking away his minutes wont do him very good either.

I don?t want Webber or any overpaid guy coming here especially if they have had a past filled with injury. The Knicks may be able to do better temporarily however, what good is temporarily for the future? We need someone who can help us now and will be able to help us for years to come. Chris Webber is NOT the savior of the Knicks. Mistakes we make similar to these bite us in the foot. Let?s be smart about making decisions like these.

 

[Beat]

I would take Webber if the kings take Houston and or Tim Thomas

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">
I'm willing to accept the fact we are doing horribly and might go into the lottery. Chris Webber wants to be a Knick now. What I say to that is NO! Chris Webber had his chance a couple of years ago when he burned us. He could have signed with us as a free agent but he decided to take that ridiculously high contract by Sacramento in that offseason. That same offseason was what got us to our down fall?Houston?s 100 million dollar contract.

Anyway, the very fact that he said give away one of our expiring contracts for Chris Webber I have mixed emotions. My mixed feelings was laughing at the very thought, and sad because we all know Isiah. Everyone knows that Chris Webber is overpaid and he is suffering from the same surgery that Allan Houston had not too long ago. Now, we are willing to give away one of our huge expiring contracts to get temporarily better? We saw how this turned out. Phoenix did to us, now look where they are. Chris Webber will give us some scoring, some nice passing and the whole works but, how long will he be able to do that? I doubt for long. In the next year when Sacramento saves cap room, we just get worse and worse in the cap until we are completely unable to fix the problem for a couple of decades.

Isiah said something that I agreed with yesterday. He said something like we can not confuse ourselves with old talent or something like that. He mean Chris Webber is overpaid for what he can do on the floor, is injury prone and we can?t throw money at him like that. I really hope this is some silly NY rumor. With the deadline in a couple of weeks, I think Isiah Thomas is going to make a silly trade to get us over the hump instead of a decent trade that we will not be regretting getting us over the hump. I wonder what that will do to the development of Michael Sweetney. He will get maybe 5 minutes a game and always be behind Webber. It would just be wasted talent. Webber I guess can also play the 5 but, wouldn?t that be taking him out of his natural position. What will that do with Mohammed also. He had a great night yesterday and has had a great season so far. He looks to really be developing into a really good find by Isiah. Now taking away his minutes wont do him very good either.

I don?t want Webber or any overpaid guy coming here especially if they have had a past filled with injury. The Knicks may be able to do better temporarily however, what good is temporarily for the future? We need someone who can help us now and will be able to help us for years to come. Chris Webber is NOT the savior of the Knicks. Mistakes we make similar to these bite us in the foot. Let?s be smart about making decisions like these.</div>

Well to be fair we have to look at the pros of this possible trade. Webber is no longer a top five powerforward in the league but he's still a great player to have and Webber can also be a mentor to Sweetney. It will also allow us to trade Kurt Thomas away for Wally World. No more potential in fighting and give us more firepower to help us outscore teams.

However his contract is larger than Houston's and one year longer. That's the biggest problem with this trade. He might have had an injury a season ago but it looks like he's over it and he's putting up good numbers. He is not injury prone. There's a difference between having a serious injury and trying to get over it and getting hurt every two weeks because of different injuries(Marcus Camby). You said it yourself in the other thread we need more offense. This trade will get us that. I thought you wanted to trade our expiring contracts for a good big man. This is what happens when you trade expiring contracts to get players. The contracts of the players you're getting tend to be long and large.

I really dont know what to think of this trade scenario. It would be nice to have Webber but his contract is, well, something that I dont want to have. But think on this, if we do this trade and get Wally for Kurt imagine the team we would have.

PG-Starbury
SG-H20(Webber is proof he can come back or maybe I'm just too hopeful)
SF-Wally World
PF-Webber
C-Nazr

Laughable on defense, but we're already laughable on defense, but will have little to no problem scoring points. But I still dont know. I'll have to analyze the trade some more before I say if its a good idea or a bad idea.

 

[Mr. J]

To tell you the truth Tribute, right now I think we should just rebuild. It will look really good on paper but, so did this team. I think we should maybe wait for our contracts to expire and make a move or something. Maybe by 2008 we can start talking about championship but, I think we should be patient.

 

[Platehpus]

Terrible idea, dumb rumor, it's not going to happen. Isiah makes some stupid moves, but he knows that trading for a washed up injury prone player is retarded because it's an unwritten NBA rule that you can't have more than one on your team.

 

[GiantMidget]

Platehpus pretty much nailed it.Although as far as washed up is concerned Webber did just get player of the month.As far as injury prone is concerned Tribute to H20 explained it well.<div class="quote_poster">Quote:</div><div class="quote_post">Chris Webber wants to be a Knick now. What I say to that is NO!</div>According to who?Certainly not Webber

.What makes you think playing in New York is so much more attractive than playing in Sacramenro right now?Why would Sac trade a player of the month caliber big man for a one dimensional bench player or an average starter,or both?
Id go on but I suppose its ok to dream.

 

[Mr. J]

Ha Ha Ha Ha Ha

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GiantMidget:</div><div class="quote_post">Platehpus pretty much nailed it.Although as far as washed up is concerned Webber did just get player of the month.As far as injury prone is concerned Tribute to H20 explained it well.According to who?Certainly not Webber

.What makes you think playing in New York is so much more attractive than playing in Sacramenro right now?Why would Sac trade a player of the month caliber big man for a one dimensional bench player or an average starter,or both?
Id go on but I suppose its ok to dream.</div>

I have not laughed so hard in a while!

He has hinted many times he would like to come to NY. Sacramento paying an overpaid player who has suffered many injuries, for 30 million dollars in cap room to sign a great player?!?!? That sounds like a steal for Sacramento! Was that a joke?

 

[Tribute to H2O]

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting GiantMidget:</div><div class="quote_post">Platehpus pretty much nailed it.Although as far as washed up is concerned Webber did just get player of the month.As far as injury prone is concerned Tribute to H20 explained it well.According to who?Certainly not Webber

.What makes you think playing in New York is so much more attractive than playing in Sacramenro right now?Why would Sac trade a player of the month caliber big man for a one dimensional bench player or an average starter,or both?
Id go on but I suppose its ok to dream.</div>

No offense but Webber would almost certainly want to play in New York. It's true that the Kings are definetely a better team and are championship contenders but the Kings are still in Sacramento and the Knicks are in New York. Not saying that Sacramento is a bad place to play but no matter how bad the Knicks are people will want to play here. New York and Los Angles are two places that players will always want to play. Los Angles because of the Lakers and New York because it's New York.

If the Kings want to continue to be a good team then they have to trade Webber and fast if they want something good in return. Webber is not the same player he was a couple of seasons ago. He is no longer a top five powerforward. He mostly takes jumpshots like Brad Miller rather than posting up and attacking the basket like he used to and his contract is pretty hefty and long. Now is the time to trade him since his value is high to prepare for the future. You also have to consider the strained relationship between Webber and Peja. Peja is the future of that club not Webber. If the Kings want Peja to stay, Webber has to go. The Kings wont take Houston with that huge question mark on his health and they have Mobley already who's game is similiar. But they would be willing to trade Webber for some cap room so they can sign a player that would be more helpful to Peja, Mobley, and Bibby in the future.

<div class="quote_poster">Quoting mrj18:</div><div class="quote_post">To tell you the truth Tribute, right now I think we should just rebuild. It will look really good on paper but, so did this team. I think we should maybe wait for our contracts to expire and make a move or something. Maybe by 2008 we can start talking about championship but, I think we should be patient.</div>

I'm not a big fan of rebuilding. It's one thing to prepare for the future. That I agree with and that's what the draft is for. As for stripping everything down and starting over...no. The Knicks will be bad for years to come and there are no guarantees that it will make the Knicks championship contenders. It's better if we try to win now and use the draft to get our team of the future ready. If we stop trading our picks and use them well we'll be able to compete now and start building a championship team at the same time. If getting Webber doesnt mess things up for our team of the future(Sweetney, Ariza, Crawford) we should consider trading one of our expiring contracts. At the very least think about it.