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Minstrel said:
Based on what? I think quite a few Republicans who dislike Trump but would never vote for most Democrats would be quite attracted to Bloomberg as a candidate. He's more right-wing than left-wing, he's a war hawk, he's what conservatives consider to be a "law and order" politician and he doesn't have the kind of weird outbursts that cause some Republicans/conservatives not to like Trump.

I don't think it's at all clear whether he'd take more votes from Trump or the eventual Democratic nominee. Most likely, he'd take some from both and the overall impact wouldn't be hugely significant.
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I think maybe something like 3% of republicans may vote Bloomberg but those 3% are never-trumpers anyway. I think it’d be more likely they don’t vote at all though.

I think if Sanders is the Dem nominee though, and Bloomers runs independently, a good portion of the Biden/Klobuchar/Pete dem backers could very well vote against Bernie.
 
Eee gads.

“If your conversation during a presidential election is about some guy wearing a dress and whether he, she, or it can go to the locker room with their daughter, that’s not a winning formula for most people. They care about healthcare, they care about education, they care about safety, and all of those kinds of things.” ~Michael Bloomberg

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news...erg-black-latino-men-comments-new-controversy
 
Damn, that's terrible...and I had no idea that you were a black/latino transgender.
 
ABM said:
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Sorry, meant Las Vegas Debate.

My two questions:

1) Which candidate will be taking the most jabs at Bloomberg (who made the cut)?

2) What delicious food will @crandc be preparing for the event?!
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Good questions but dammit, now my mind is on what crandc will serve for the event. You bastard, I'm starving.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Then in here, I keep hearing the train of thought well, there really aren't many independents they all end up voting one way most of the time, well of course they do, because they've been told over and over that hey you "have to" or you might as well not vote, then if they don't vote it's, "well your voice really doesn't matter because you didn't vote".
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As one who has said things along those lines - that definitely wasn't what I meant.

What I meant is there are people registered Independent who like Republican policies, admire Republican politicians, consistently vote Republican, dislike Democrats, disagree with Democratic policies, etc.

Those people have the same beliefs and behavior as partisan Republicans, they just prefer to call themselves Independents.
But in every way that actually matters, they are Republicans.

[Or reverse the parties, there are plenty of those too]

Those are very different than the 'I hate both parties and I wish they'd die' Independents, or the 'I kinda like both parties a little, and dislike them a little too' Independents.

barfo
 
Minstrel said:
In many cases, I agree. As the tweet someone else posted said, Democrats who vote for Bloomberg are all but saying that they'd have been okay with Trump if he had run as a Democrat. I don't think Bloomberg will actually win the Democratic nomination (as Trump obviously did in the 2016 Republican primaries) but if he somehow did, I think many Democrats would vote for him because "he's not Trump" or "I hate Republicans." Except, he is very Trumpian. Just a more genteel (but certainly not gentile!) version.
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Yes, he does have some qualities (or lack thereof) that Trump has, but there are some big and useful differences: he's not an idiot, he has actually managed a large organization, he probably (I'm guessing) hires qualified people rather than crooks...

barfo
 
Minstrel said:
Many of those things aren't incompatible with many Republicans, as their embrace of Trump shows. Being for gun control is, I'll grant you.
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Neither Trump nor any Republican I know is for any of those things. I can't say the same for many Dems I know.
 
barfo said:
As one who has said things along those lines - that definitely wasn't what I meant.

What I meant is there are people registered Independent who like Republican policies, admire Republican politicians, consistently vote Republican, dislike Democrats, disagree with Democratic policies, etc.

Those people have the same beliefs and behavior as partisan Republicans, they just prefer to call themselves Independents.
But in every way that actually matters, they are Republicans.

[Or reverse the parties, there are plenty of those too]

Those are very different than the 'I hate both parties and I wish they'd die' Independents, or the 'I kinda like both parties a little, and dislike them a little too' Independents.

barfo
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I understand, I just think that part of the reason you see so many people who call themselves “independents”, but always basically vote for one party is that they feel like well I have to vote for one of these two or Im not even invited to the table to talk about whats bothering them in the political landscape. Now there are certainly people who are reps or dems that just like the term independent.
 
Even if the two parties were the only method by which we ever get a president, having instant run-off available for congressional elections would allow for much better representation. As it stands, members of the two parties are so beholden to them that we can instantly know exactly how each house will vote on any issue, because the party leaders dictate positions to their members. EVERYONE knew precisely how the impeachment process would play out before it began, simply because we knew what each party wanted. If third party votes weren't considered "wasted", then those candidates would actually stand a chance, at least on the smaller, local scales. And an increase of minor-party legislators would increase variability in legislative results, which would be a good thing.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
I understand, I just think that part of the reason you see so many people who call themselves “independents”, but always basically vote for one party is that they feel like well I have to vote for one of these two or Im not even invited to the table to talk about whats bothering them in the political landscape. Now there are certainly people who are reps or dems that just like the term independent.
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Personally, I think many Independents think their independent status will someday become truly relevant...whatever that means. I mean, categorically, what are Independents' bottom-line values?
 
ABM said:
Personally, I think many Independents think their independent status will someday become truly relevant...whatever that means. I mean, categorically, what are Independents' bottom-line values?
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Not being associated with the GOP and DNC in regards to politics.
 
TorturedBlazerFan said:
Not being associated with the GOP and DNC in regards to politics.
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I don't see that as being core-values. What are you saying, Independents might effectively pick and choose values from each party as to construct their own set?
 
ABM said:
I mean, categorically, what are Independents' bottom-line values?
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Among actual independents, each one is different. That's a big reason why a third party can't consolidate all the people who don't love either major party--they don't all share the same values or political beliefs. They just have a slate of beliefs that don't align well enough with either the Democrats or Republicans--but they aren't the same slate of beliefs that another independent has.
 
Let's face it, it's not as if the Democrats are all the same, or even the Republicans (if only because Mitt Romney still exists).
 
Minstrel said:
Among actual independents, each one is different. That's a big reason why a third party can't consolidate all the people who don't love either major party--they don't all share the same values or political beliefs. They just have a slate of beliefs that don't align well enough with either the Democrats or Republicans--but they aren't the same slate of beliefs that another independent has.
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So, what's the point of even being called an Independent? In the final analysis, kind of seems senseless to me.
 
ABM said:
So, what's the point of even being called an Independent? In the final analysis, kind of seems senseless to me.
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It doesn't mean anything, in terms of beliefs. It's just what people call voters who aren't already decided on a party.
 
ABM said:
So, what's the point of even being called an Independent? In the final analysis, kind of seems senseless to me.
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I suppose the same could be said for people who declare themselves as "Democrats"or "Republicans".
 
I'll just become an Independent. I'll be bash-free! :)
 
ABM said:
I'll just become an Independent. I'll be bash-free! :)
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The opposite of bashful? I thought you already were that...

barfo
 
This is fun
 
Bloomberg is getting stopped and frisked with a rubber glove
 
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