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PapaG said:
I think no one knows what to think about a leader until they actually have to step up and lead. That said, I heard both Dennis Dixon and Jonathon Stewart on the radio yesterday, and they said when Kelly talked when they were at UO, EVERYBODY listened to him and respected him. So maybe he does have "it". He seems to be a hell of a recruiter, and that's half of the battle in the NCAA. I'm am very interested in seeing what Bryce Brown decides on Monday.
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Hell that could be what we need. Rich Brooks got the traction for the program. Bellotti made it matter... but cant seem to get over that last hurdle. Maybe Kelly will get us into that next step as a program. I forgot about Brown though. That could be a scary RB lineup with Blount and Brown this year.. then Brown and LaMichael James for 2 more years!!
 
mgb said:
Did everyone miss this or does no one know?
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There are only 3 divisions in each conference, and the winners of each are the top 3 seeds based on record. A caveat, however, is that homecourt advantage is determined by record and not by seed, meaning a 3rd seed with a bad record could not have HCA against a 6th seed with a better record.

Or at least that is how I understand it.
 
mgb said:
So winning our division is no guarantee of HCA?
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I dont believe so no. but again I could be wrong.. I just seem to remember something like that.
 
PapaG said:
There are only 3 divisions in each conference, and the winners of each are the top 3 seeds based on record. A caveat, however, is that homecourt advantage is determined by record and not by seed, meaning a 3rd seed with a bad record could not have HCA against a 6th seed with a better record.

Or at least that is how I understand it.
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exactly, thank you for explaining it better than I could mumble through it lol.
 
BrianWheeler said:
I think the seeding changed a couple years back when a crappy division winner (denver maybe) got 3rd place and a good team like Dallas or someone got a 4 seed even with a better record.. it screwed up the NBA's chance of having the nba's supposed top 2 teams in the conference meet in the Conference finals. If I remember right.
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It was Dallas and San Antonio, and it was dumb of the NBA to change the rule since the NFL does just fine with the old rule and winning a division should mean something. Actually, I think that a second place team in a division with a better record than a division winner is actually seeded higher than the division winner.
 
BrianWheeler said:
exactly, thank you for explaining it better than I could mumble through it lol.
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It wasn't true though. The three division winners PLUS THE NON-DIVISION WINNER WITH THE BEST RECORD are seeded by record.

Meaning that the winner of the NW could end up the 4th seed while New Orleans gets the 3rd seed based on record.

Confusing as hell.
 
He explained the basis premise right but the facts are wrong in some spots. A division winner is guaranteed a top four seed only and not a top three seed; so, if Houston finished with a record better than the Northwest Division winner but behind San Antonio they would get the third seed, and the Northwest Division winner would get the fourth seed. If a division winner in fourth place has a worse record than the fifth seed then the fifth seed gets home-court advantage. Please see Utah/Houston series from recent years.
 
BrianWheeler said:
I dont believe so no. but again I could be wrong.. I just seem to remember something like that.
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Winning division just means you are guaranteed top 4 spot, Utah didn't have Homecourt the last 2 years despite winning the Northwest
 
J_Ray said:
Winning division just means you are guaranteed top 4 spot, Utah didn't have Homecourt the last 2 years despite winning the Northwest
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Who needs home-court when facing a Houston team that has a 7'6 center and several tall forwards who can't secure a defensive rebound in three times in Houston in game 7? Psh.
 
PapaG said:
It wasn't true though. The three division winners PLUS THE NON-DIVISION WINNER WITH THE BEST RECORD are seeded by record.

Meaning that the winner of the NW could end up the 4th seed while New Orleans gets the 3rd seed based on record.

Confusing as hell.
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Thats the one you are right.. it was when and I think it was Dallas and San Antonio.. cause they met in the 2nd round while they had the top 2 records I think.. as opposed to them meeting in the WCF.
 
The Sebastian Express said:
He explained the basis premise right but the facts are wrong in some spots. A division winner is guaranteed a top four seed only and not a top three seed; so, if Houston finished with a record better than the Northwest Division winner but behind San Antonio they would get the third seed, and the Northwest Division winner would get the fourth seed. If a division winner in fourth place has a worse record than the fifth seed then the fifth seed gets home-court advantage. Please see Utah/Houston series from recent years.
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Yeah, I already cleared that up.
 
PapaG said:
There are only 3 divisions in each conference, and the winners of each are the top 3 seeds based on record. A caveat, however, is that homecourt advantage is determined by record and not by seed, meaning a 3rd seed with a bad record could not have HCA against a 6th seed with a better record.

Or at least that is how I understand it.
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This is not true. A division winner is guaranteed a top 4 seed and yes, msg, we would have the 4 seed if the season ended today.

You don't get HCA for a top 4 seed though. You must have a top 4 record.
 
KingSpeed said:
This is not true. A division winner is guaranteed a top 4 seed and yes, msg, we would have the 4 seed if the season ended today.

You don't get HCA for a top 4 seed though. You must have a top 4 record.
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Right. I already posted my correction.
 
The biggest reason I think they changed the system was because of what happened with Memphis and the Clippers. The Nuggets had locked up the 6th seed but weren't a very good team overall. Memphis and the Clippers were battling for the 5th seed. The winner of the 5th seed had to play Dallas and not have HCA while the 6th seed got to play Denver and with HCA. Consequently, the Grizzlies and Clippers both tried to lose a game between each other late in the season. The Clippers succeeded in losing and got the favorable matchup. As a result, the Clippers reached the second round while Memphis got swept in the first.
 
Yknow- Dallas plays 8 of their last 12 at home and Utah plays a brutal schedule down the stretch. I would not be surprised if Utah finished with the 8th seed and got swept by the Lakers. Would be funny if Utah beat L.A. though.
 
KingSpeed said:
Yknow- Dallas plays 8 of their last 12 at home and Utah plays a brutal schedule down the stretch. I would not be surprised if Utah finished with the 8th seed and got swept by the Lakers. Would be funny if Utah beat L.A. though.
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Utah doesn't have a brutal schedule man, what you reading into? They still have WAS, @ OKC, HOU, @PHO, PHO, NY, MIN, GS, & LAC on their schedule. Utah is about to finish their East Coast trip, so not quite sure why you'd stick a fork in them quite yet.
 
J_Ray said:
Utah doesn't have a brutal schedule man, what you reading into? They still have WAS, @ OKC, HOU, @PHO, PHO, NY, MIN, GS, & LAC on their schedule. Utah is about to finish their East Coast trip, so not quite sure why you'd stick a fork in them quite yet.
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Utah also has @ Portland, @ Denver, @New Orleans, @ Dallas, @San Antonio, and @LA Lakers.. thats 6 games against winning teams on the road.. where they cant win. and I could throw @ Phoenix in there too as they are a winning team.
 
J_Ray said:
Utah doesn't have a brutal schedule man, what you reading into? They still have WAS, @ OKC, HOU, @PHO, PHO, NY, MIN, GS, & LAC on their schedule. Utah is about to finish their East Coast trip, so not quite sure why you'd stick a fork in them quite yet.
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9 of their next 16 are on the road and they are terrible on the road (0-8 vs top 9 WC teams). Their road games include games against Orlando, Phoenix, Portland, Denver, New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio, and the Lakers. That is as brutal as it gets. No one has a tougher road schedule the rest of the way than Utah. No one. And like I said, Dallas gets 8 of their last 12 at home. Utah could easily fall to the 8th seed.
 
BrianWheeler said:
Utah also has @ Portland, @ Denver, @New Orleans, @ Dallas, @San Antonio, and @LA Lakers.. thats 6 games against winning teams on the road.. where they cant win. and I could throw @ Phoenix in there too as they are a winning team.
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Exactly.
 
KingSpeed said:
9 of their next 16 are on the road and they are terrible on the road. Their road games include games against Orlando, Phoenix, Portland, Denver, New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio, and the Lakers. That is as brutal as it gets. No one has a tougher road schedule the rest of the way than Utah. No one. And like I said, Dallas gets 8 of their last 12 at home. Utah could easily fall to the 8th seed.
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Didnt even notice the @Orlando. Good call KingSpeed.
 
Thank you. They should lose the Orlando game later today and that's a three game losing streak right there.
 
KingSpeed said:
Thank you. They should lose the Orlando game later today and that's a three game losing streak right there.
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Yep, I just must have overlooked it cause I was looking ahead on their schedule not at todays. Plus if we can take care of business against the Hawks thats a game we gain today if they lose.
 
BrianWheeler said:
Yep, I just must have overlooked it cause I was looking ahead on their schedule not at todays. Plus if we can take care of business against the Hawks thats a game we gain today if they lose.
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I don't know what to make of the Hawks game. 10am Pacific Time. Hot Atlanta team. Could be tough. But we won there last year and we're better this year so we'll see what happens. I'd be happy with 3-2 on the trip. We do that and we'll be in great shape down the stretch. I'm hoping for 4-1. We did it earlier this season. 5-0 would be unbelievable.
 
KingSpeed said:
9 of their next 16 are on the road and they are terrible on the road (0-8 vs top 9 WC teams). Their road games include games against Orlando, Phoenix, Portland, Denver, New Orleans, Dallas, San Antonio, and the Lakers. That is as brutal as it gets. No one has a tougher road schedule the rest of the way than Utah. No one. And like I said, Dallas gets 8 of their last 12 at home. Utah could easily fall to the 8th seed.
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Terrible is when you get blown out constantly on the road, Utah has been in these games w/o Boozer but haven't had the scoring down the stretch to win it. With some home games coming up and some more weaker competition before the big road games, this gives a little more time for Boozer to get back in the flow before the big showdowns. You are acting as if Utah are Sacramento right now, they are 0-8 vs top 9 WC teams w/o having all their main players. Utah will go into Phoenix hand it to them like they always do, especially w/o Amare around, then hit Portland & Denver giving them smackdowns, and finish up suring up their HC seed by beating New Orleans & Dallas. The other 3 games are the only ones Utah realistically should worry about.
 
Utah got blown out in Oklahoma City. Blown out! Lost by 21!! We lost there too but we didn't get blown out. Utah will not win in Portland. Won't happen. Enjoy the loss in Orlando tomorrow. By the way, we won there and we didn't have Oden.
 
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