Westbrook

[THE HCP]

Incredibly athletic. 110% every play. But not a very smart player by any means.

So basically, exactly the same as THE HCP on s2!

 

[THE HCP]

I know they’re stupid, but are they really THAT stupid?

You're crazy! They would trade any player on that team for a guy like Russ.....good or bad.

 

[e_blazer]

You're crazy! They would trade any player on that team for a guy like Russ.....good or bad.

Let's examine the components of your post individually:


1. You're crazy!

True. Don't piss me off.

2. They would trade any player on that team for a guy like Russ.....good or bad.

Judging by past Knicks behavior, this also is likely to be true. I'd say that the "crazy" tag applies to that franchise as well.

Westbrook is an amazing athlete who, because of his crap shooting and his over-attention to his stats vs. team success, is a shitty player to build a team around. In my humble opinion, of course.

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

Peaked as a Hall of Famer

So basically the same as THE HCP on SC2..........

 

[UncleCliffy'sDaddy]

So basically the same as THE HCP on SC2..........

#BAM

 

[blazerkor]

There’s a Bleacher Report article roasting Russ:

This part of that article, "He has to be the main guy. He can't shoot. He needs the ball. He's not an off-ball player. Hard to play with two max guys who need the ball." With the obvious exception of "he can't shoot" it describes our conundrum. In order to be his most effective CJ has to be the main guy. He needs the ball and is not an off-ball player. Lastly we are also having a hard time playing and getting enough pieces to win with two very close to max guys who need the ball. I do think that first sentence of having to be the main guy is talking about Russ needing to be the main guy from a basketball standpoint to be most effective and from a psychological standpoint to be effective. I don't think CJ has the psychological element but the basketball part is undeniable.

 

[Natebishop3]

There’s a Bleacher Report article roasting Russ:

The funny thing to me is that they tried it with CP3 and it didn't work, so they thought Russ would work? That's just moronic. Harden needs the ball. The reason why Harden/Russ worked in OKC is that Harden was coming off the bench.

 

[RR7]

I love that in 3 years of Harden's prime, Morey traded Patrick Beverley, Montrez Harrell, Lou Williams, and a 2018 pick for Paul, and then turns around and moves a 2021 pick swap, 2024 pick, 2025 swap, 2026 pick for westbrook. Got rid of Capela.
Imagine Beverley, Harden, SF, Harrell, Capela. Defense surrounding Harden? Nah, let's play nobody over 6'6"

 

[Natebishop3]

I love that in 3 years of Harden's prime, Morey traded Patrick Beverley, Montrez Harrell, Lou Williams, and a 2018 pick for Paul, and then turns around and moves a 2021 pick swap, 2024 pick, 2025 swap, 2026 pick for westbrook. Got rid of Capela.
Imagine Beverley, Harden, SF, Harrell, Capela. Defense surrounding Harden? Nah, let's play nobody over 6'6"

We talk about Neil wasting Dame's prime, but Morey has pissed away Harden's prime in much worse fashion.

 

[RR7]

We talk about Neil wasting Dame's prime, but Morey has pissed away Harden's prime in much worse fashion.

I'm sure there's plenty that would praise him for "going for it", but he just never seemed super strategic about any of it. It's always reminded me of a fantasy football owner who will look to name nothing but big names, never worrying about if they are past their prime, or often injury riddled, and never looks to add under the radar guys. THen at the end of the year, they point to their amazing names on their roster and call it dumb luck they weren't any better than 5-7.

 

[Natebishop3]

I'm sure there's plenty that would praise him for "going for it", but he just never seemed super strategic about any of it. It's always reminded me of a fantasy football owner who will look to name nothing but big names, never worrying about if they are past their prime, or often injury riddled, and never looks to add under the radar guys. THen at the end of the year, they point to their amazing names on their roster and call it dumb luck they weren't any better than 5-7.

Morey is highly overrated in my opinion. The fact that he got Harden for a song actually WAS dumb luck. I have no idea why OKC sold Harden so low.

 

[Pinwheel1]

Morey is highly overrated in my opinion. The fact that he got Harden for a song actually WAS dumb luck. I have no idea why OKC sold Harden so low.

He also benefits from the fact that NBA players (FAs) like to live in Houston.

 

[THE HCP]

He also benefits from the fact that NBA players (FAs) like to live in Houston.

I think this is overlooked. Players LOVE Houston.

 

[kjironman1]

I love that in 3 years of Harden's prime, Morey traded Patrick Beverley, Montrez Harrell, Lou Williams, and a 2018 pick for Paul, and then turns around and moves a 2021 pick swap, 2024 pick, 2025 swap, 2026 pick for westbrook. Got rid of Capela.
Imagine Beverley, Harden, SF, Harrell, Capela. Defense surrounding Harden? Nah, let's play nobody over 6'6"

But so many people say Morey is some kind of GENIUS?

 

[kjironman1]

I think this is overlooked. Players LOVE Houston.

Why is that? Is it a nice place? I've flown through but never really visited?

 

[Pinwheel1]

Why is that? Is it a nice place? I've flown through but never really visited?

Well, one of the biggest benefits of being rich and famous when you are young......is landing lots of hot women....and Houston has lots.

Been a long time since I was in a strip joint, but as I recall the ones in Houston were off the charts good. I assume that is still the case.

Taxes and weather are also a factor

 

[Charcoal Filtered]

Why is that? Is it a nice place? I've flown through but never really visited?

No state income tax, nice weather, just about everything within driving distance.

Do not see Westbrick working in Houston. Could possibly see him traded for John Wall or to the Knicks in a salary dump.

 

[THE HCP]

Why is that? Is it a nice place? I've flown through but never really visited?

Horrible city! But it’s all about that weather and taxes!

 

[AldoTrapani]

Why is that? Is it a nice place? I've flown through but never really visited?

Imo it’s terrible. Freeway centric like crazy. Traffic is LA level bad. Strips malls everywhere. Just a very car centric city with no walkability. And I’m guy that wouldn’t mind to expand the Rose Quarter bottleneck

 

[Shaboid]

Horrible city! But it’s all about that weather and taxes!

Probably helps for traveling too since they are in the dead center of the country.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Russ is a good player, but he can't shoot, makes bad decisions, and is a horrible contract.

 

[kjironman1]

In the end Basketball is a Team Game. You have to be able to lead or play for the the team on the court. Russ doesn't seem capable of really leading and he seems to have huge problems following or playing for the team. Westbrook is not the first that has had this problem and he certainly will not be the last.

 

[jlprk]

But so many people say Morey is some kind of GENIUS?

He used to praise himself to reporters like a narcissist, so they would write praise. In the last couple of years, he stopped so they did.

 

[riverman]

I know they’re stupid, but are they really THAT stupid?

Dolan and Westbrook are a match...and the Knicks are dying to get a franchise player...plus they've hired and fired more players and coaches than any sports league over a decade..it fits the pattern

 

[e_blazer]

Dolan and Westbrook are a match...and the Knicks are dying to get a franchise player...plus they've hired and fired more players and coaches than any sports league over a decade..it fits the pattern

Well, a $41 million dollar contract for Westbrook would certainly help them die. Not sure how they'd make salaries work, but I'd say the Rockets would be giddy about dumping him.

 

[wizenheimer]

I'm sure there's plenty that would praise him for "going for it", but he just never seemed super strategic about any of it. It's always reminded me of a fantasy football owner who will look to name nothing but big names, never worrying about if they are past their prime, or often injury riddled, and never looks to add under the radar guys. THen at the end of the year, they point to their amazing names on their roster and call it dumb luck they weren't any better than 5-7.

Morey is the modern Bob Whitsitt, but a poor man's version

they both compulsively re-do rosters, but at least Whitsitt would end up with seemingly more talent nearly every year, even though he was no "chemist". Of course, Morey has to deal with cap-restraints Whitsitt didn't

 

[illmatic99]

Morey is the modern Bob Whitsitt, but a poor man's version

they both compulsively re-do rosters, but at least Whitsitt would end up with seemingly more talent nearly every year, even though he was no "chemist". Of course, Morey has to deal with cap-restraints Whitsitt didn't

Also has to deal with cheap ownership down there.

 

[THE HCP]

Is it safe to say that THE HCP is the Russell Westbrook of S2?

-Selfish
-Unlimited Potential
-Star Qualities
-The ability to take over at any minute
-Hated
-Vilified
-Idolized
-Always in the spotlight being judged and critiqued
-Unrealistic Expectations
-Will end up being one of the most hated, yet be in the HOF once he hangs it up

 

[e_blazer]

Is it safe to say that THE HCP is the Russell Westbrook of S2?

-Selfish
-Unlimited Potential
-Star Qualities
-The ability to take over at any minute
-Hated
-Vilified
-Idolized
-Always in the spotlight being judged and critiqued
-Unrealistic Expectations
-Will end up being won of the most hated, yet be in the HOF once he hangs it up

I'd say that THE_HCP is more the autograph model Russell Westbrook jock strap of S2.

 

[RR7]

I was thinking more the Oliver Miller of S2