What a difference - Bear Nurkic making a BIG impression

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PtldPlatypus said:
OK, so this was interesting to me. I looked at Nurkic's advanced stats in the 5 games he's been here. PER above 21.3 with usage rate 21.2, assist % over 20 (double his career average), TS% above .620. I thought, "that has to be a pretty unique combination of stats", so I ran a query for seasons with similar parameters. Got a lot of results from Magic, Stockton, Nash, some cat named Brad Davis who played for the Mavs in the 80's...mostly point guards. So I eliminated guards, and the only result is Nurkic's former teammate, Jokic.

We need to steal their foreign scouting department.
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They completely nailed that 2014 draft, didn't they? To get not one, but two, great big men outside of the lottery is pretty damned impressive.

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
Been saying this all year. They even got another good one in Hernangomez last draft (with our pick)
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His older (just 22) brother is even more impressive. He was drafted in the second round by PHI in 2015 and, in a typical PHI move, immediately traded to the Knicks for 2nd round picks in 2020 and 2021. Just be patient 76er fans. Trust the process. I swear to you, by the year 2030 we believe we will have an outside chance at having a winning record. Just bear with us for another 10 or 15 years, we'll get there. We promise. Not really, but kind of...

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
Been saying this all year. They even got another good one in Hernangomez last draft (with our pick)
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They got Malik Beasley with our pick, but I agree, the hernangomez brothers are legit. I think a lot of teams tend to fall in love with athleticism, and have trouble buying into an average athlete translating to the NBA on pure fundamentals. That's how we see all these euros fall in the draft.
 
BonesJones said:
Honestly, yes. I didn't get to watch Sabonis like you old ass geizers lol.

I remember the days of Ha Seung Jin and Brian Skinner though. And since then, he my favorite big man.
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We've had some pretty amazing bigs over the years.

Sheed
Brian Grant
Sabonis
Jermaine O'Neal
ZBO
Hewhoshallnotbenamed (fuck that guy)
Buck
Duckworth

Before my time was Walton and Lucas.

For me, my favorite was probably Brian Grant. I loved that guy. Definitely not the most talented, but the hardest damn working big man I have ever seen.
 
Natebishop3 said:
We've had some pretty amazing bigs over the years.

Sheed
Brian Grant
Sabonis
Jermaine O'Neal
ZBO
Hewhoshallnotbenamed (fuck that guy)
Buck
Duckworth

Before my time was Walton and Lucas.

For me, my favorite was probably Brian Grant. I loved that guy. Definitely not the most talented, but the hardest damn working big man I have ever seen.
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Definitely.

I guess I should have said "my favorite Blazer big man that I've ever seen play."
 
Shout out przybilla, he would be the perfect backup right now. What's he up to anyway? I bet he'd be a good coach.
 
Scalma said:
They got Malik Beasley with our pick, but I agree, the hernangomez brothers are legit. I think a lot of teams tend to fall in love with athleticism, and have trouble buying into an average athlete translating to the NBA on pure fundamentals. That's how we see all these euros fall in the draft.
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The opposite was true for four or five years after Dirk broke out. GM's were reaching for the next Dirk or Pau and drafted guys like Darko, Tskitishvili and Bargnani WAY too high. After those guys flamed out, the pendulum swung in the opposite direction. Eventually, it will reach it's equilibrium point where Euros are evaluated correctly and drafted accordingly.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
They completely nailed that 2014 draft, didn't they? To get not one, but two, great big men outside of the lottery is pretty damned impressive.

BNM
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This current Denver team is a good model to emulate for a rebuild. They tanked but they still won 30 games every year. Here is the highest number they have drafted in the last 5 years. 7, 7, 11, 22. 20. Now they had multiple picks in those years and many misses. But rather than relying on the highest pick possible to find a winner, they appear to be relying on the most picks possible.
If you think about it, it makes sense. The draft is a crap shoot, why not increase your "luck" with more chances rather than the major tank approach and hope you get a top 3 pick and having that player pan out?

Of course this means taking a lot of international players. The Nuggets chosen 9 since 2012.
 
BonesJones said:
Honestly, yes. I didn't get to watch Sabonis like you old ass geizers lol.

I remember the days of Ha Seung Jin and Brian Skinner though. And since then, he my favorite big man.
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And we didn't have youtube to watch epic players and games from the beginning of time like you young whippersnappers.....hang on while I break out the world's tiniest violin
 
Pinwheel1 said:
This current Denver team is a good model to emulate for a rebuild. They tanked but they still won 30 games every year. Here is the highest number they have drafted in the last 5 years. 7, 7, 11, 22. 20. Now they had multiple picks in those years and many misses. But rather than relying on the highest pick possible to find a winner, they appear to be relying on the most picks possible.
If you think about it, it makes sense. The draft is a crap shoot, why not increase your "luck" with more chances rather than the major tank approach and hope you get a top 3 pick and having that player pan out?

Of course this means taking a lot of international players. The Nuggets chosen 9 since 2012.
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Good post. SAC is kind of the opposite. They had 8 top 8 picks in 8 years and only hit one home run - Boogie, who they turned into Buddy Hield. In 7 of those 8 years they won less than 30 games. So, eight years of suckage and all they have to show for it is Buddy Hield.

OK, a couple of their other guys MIGHT pan out, but none have distinguished themselves to date.

BNM
 
Yeah I agree let's trade CJ McCollum for one season of Paul George any more proposals I'm all ears.
 
Natebishop3 said:
Jimmy Butler would be a better target, IMO.
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Now we're talking. I would argue that a CJ/pick combo is better than anything Boston could offer.

CJ is exactly the type of guy a franchise can build itself around.
 
Something about Butler that would make me nervous about trading CJ for him. How much better defensively is Butler than Harkless? Enough to make up for the loss of CJ too? Harkless actually has a much better shooting % than Butler. I would trade the picks and a players for him (i/e Mo, Aminu, ET, Crabbe etc) as I like the idea of a Dame, CJ, Butler, Nurk, PF? lineup. But if we trade CJ for him we will still need a PF, AND we will also need a SG too.

In February the guy shot 39% from the field...for the whole month. I like him, but I see him as a 4th guy on offense.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
Something about Butler that would make me nervous about trading CJ for him. How much better defensively is Butler than Harkless? Enough to make up for the loss of CJ too? Harkless actually has a much better shooting % than Butler. I would trade the picks and a players for him (i/e Mo, Aminu, ET, Crabbe etc) as I like the idea of a Dame, CJ, Butler, Nurk, PF? lineup. But if we trade CJ for him we will still need a PF, AND we will also need a SG too.

In February the guy shot 39% from the field...for the whole month. I like him, but I see him as a 4th guy on offense.
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He's currently the 1st guy on offense on a team with a better record than us.

And yes, his defense is light years better than Mo Harkless. He's been 2nd team all defense the last three years in a row.

In my perfect world, we would add Butler without giving up Dame, C.J. or Nurk, but if we did give up C.J., we could play Butler at the 2 or the 3. He was a SG for his entire career until this season, but moved to SF to accommodate the addition of Dwyane Wade. He can play either position and has been an all start at both. Which means we could start Turner (2 or 3), Crabbe (2 or 3) or Harkless (3), whoever is left, next to him.

And, while C.J.'s shooting percentages are higher, Butler gets to the line so much more that it's a wash. His TS% is .581 compared to C.J.'s .587. He scores 23.9 ppg on 16.5 FGA. C.J. scores 23.2 ppg on 18.1 FGA. Different players with different strengths, but Butler is one of the few proven players available that would replace C.J.'s offense while also greatly improving our team defense.

BNM
 
Boob-No-More said:
He's currently the 1st guy on offense on a team with a better record than us.

And yes, his defense is light years better than Mo Harkless. He's been 2nd team all defense the last three years in a row.

In my perfect world, we would add Butler without giving up Dame, C.J. or Nurk, but if we did give up C.J., we could play Butler at the 2 or the 3. He was a SG for his entire career until this season, but moved to SF to accommodate the addition of Dwyane Wade. He can play either position and has been an all start at both. Which means we could start Turner (2 or 3), Crabbe (2 or 3) or Harkless (3), whoever is left, next to him.


BNM
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I guess I am swayed by watching the the disturbing blowout at home to the nuggets last week. I really can't see him and ET playing together as neither can shoot from deep. And quite frankly I have my doubts about he and Dame being compatible if Butler is the 2nd option on offense. IMO Butler needs to be surrounded by shooters and be content as the 3rd option.
 
Pinwheel1 said:
I guess I am swayed by watching the the disturbing blowout at home to the nuggets last week. I really can't see him and ET playing together as neither can shoot from deep. And quite frankly I have my doubts about he and Dame being compatible if Butler is the 2nd option on offense. IMO Butler needs to be surrounded by shooters and be content as the 3rd option.
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I think Butler would be fine next to Dame on offense. He's not a great 3-point shooter, but he doesn't rely on it. He only takes about 3 game. He's much more of an attack the paint and draw fouls kind of player. He's like Demar DeRozan, only a much better defender. Him and Dame would be like DeRozan and Lowry in TOR, only in this case it would be the SG who is the defensive stud.

BNM
 
yuyuza1 said:
This summer is really big for him.Lose some weight and get in better shape, while getting chemistry with Dame/CJ.

Guys like Love/Marc Gasol/etc have had these crazy transformations to their physiques and come back to have career years.

Nurk will get a max contract in 2018 if he keeps this up, so it's in his best interest for him to workout like mad. I think he has it in him now that he's motivated.
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He doesn't really need to lose weight. He looks like he's in good shape to me. His strength/size is one of his biggest assets.
 
MickZagger said:
He doesn't really need to lose weight. He looks like he's in good shape to me. His strength/size is one of his biggest assets.
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Everybody says it's stamina...he's playing through it but he just needs cardio shape, not so much weight room. I think he's so happy he's running on adrenaline..Stotts and Dame said he needs to be in better shape and said it was stamina...not playing much all season.
 
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