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Sorry, but you lost me when you wrote the words "Bible" and "history" in the same sentence.

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So you don't associate the bible and history together? I would like to know why you disagree with 99% of historians. Please enlighten me
 
I read it as it all had to start somewhere. With that, and that alone, in mind, God's creation absolutely makes the most sense to me.

Then, as I continue to read the Bible, going over all the history paving the way for Jesus' entry on the earth....His life, death, and resurrection......followed by incredibly wise instructions as to how I should live my life......well, you scientist types can argue away your so-called fact-based conclusions until Jesus' return. With all due respect, you're still just chasing your tails, in my opinion.

Yes, that is what I take from Jesus is the way to lead your life, do unto others and so forth, divinity on the other hand not so much. There is a lot of wisdom in what he taught.
 
So you don't associate the bible and history together? I would like to know why you disagree with 99% of historians. Please enlighten me

please give me a source that says 99% of historians think the bible is historically accurate.
 
How many disprove his conclusions?

Hubble proved him wrong about the universe being static. I'm pretty sure that he was wrong when he famously stated, "God doesn't play with dice."

And also about a lot of things related to quantum mechanics.
 
please give me a source that says 99% of historians think the bible is historically accurate.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Historical_Jesus

The construction of specific portraits of Jesus or the analysis of the presentations of specific narratives of his life should thus be distinguished from the question of the existence of Jesus as a historical figure, and his approximate historical chronology.[33] Virtually all scholars of antiquity agree that Jesus existed.[13][14][34]

and

The 21st century has witnessed an increase in scholarly interest in the integrated use of archaeology as an additional research component in arriving at a better understanding of the historical Jesus by illuminating the socio-economic and political background of his age.[46][47][48][49][50][51] James Charlesworth states that few modern scholars now want to overlook the archaeological discoveries that clarify the nature of life in Galilee and Judea during the time of Jesus.[49]
Jonathan Reed states that chief contribution of archaeology to the study of the historical Jesus is the reconstruction of his social world.[52] An example archaeological item that Reed mentions is the 1961 discovery of the Pilate Stone, which mentions the Roman prefect Pontius Pilate, by whose order Jesus was crucified.[52][53][54]
David Gowler states that an interdisciplinary scholarly study of archeology, textual analysis and historical context can shed light on Jesus and his teachings.[50] An example is the archeological studies at Capernaum. Despite the frequent references to Capernaum in the New Testament, little is said about it there.[55] However, recent archeological evidence show that unlike earlier assumptions, Capernaum was poor and small, without even a forum or agora.[50][56] This archaeological discovery thus resonates well with the scholarly view that Jesus advocated reciprocal sharing among the destitute in that area of Galilee.[50] Other archeological findings support the wealth of the ruling priests in Judea at the beginning of the first century.[48][57]

and here is a video with one of the leading scholars that explains that he knows almost all historians that all agree that, in fact, a historical Jesus exists.



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And the response wasn't saying that the entire bible is historically accurate. Historians believe that the bible has accurate historical cities, rulers, civilizations and people thousands of years ago.
 
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And the response wasn't saying that the entire bible is historically accurate. Historians believe that the bible has accurate historical cities, rulers, civilizations and people thousands of years ago.


the further back you go chronologically the less accurate it becomes. the Torah is the worst.
 
It's interesting to see you cite Bart Ehrman. Here is a quote from his book Misquoting Jesus (p. 10) talking about the books of the bible:
Bart Ehrman said:
It is one thing to say that the originals were inspired, but the reality is that we don't have the originals--so saying they were inspired doesn't help me much... Moreover, the vast majority of Christians for the entire history of the church have not had access to the originals, making their inspiration something of a moot point. Not only do we not have the originals, we don't have the first copies of the originals, or copies of the copies of the copies of the originals. What we have are copies made later--much later. In most instances, they are copies made many centuries later. And these copies all differ from one another, in many thousands of places. As we will see later in this book, these copies differ from one another in so many places that we don't even know how many differences there are. Possibly it is easiest to put it in comparative terms: there are more differences among our manuscripts than there are words in the New Testament.

Presumably this helps to explain these. And makes most of the Bible pretty much useless as a source of information.
 
Here is another link regarding "Historical Evidence" of the Bible. Keep in mind that I am using "non-Christian" sites to validate the views. I'm sure many of you would just claim the Christians are using propaganda, etc.

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/The_Bible_and_history

Overview of academic views
An educated reading of the biblical text requires knowledge of when it was written, by whom, and for what purpose. For example, most academics would agree that the Pentateuch was in existence some time shortly after the 6th century BCE, but they disagree about when it was written. Proposed dates vary from the 15th century BCE to the 6th century BCE. One popular hypothesis points to the reign of Josiah (7th century BCE). In this hypothesis, the events of, for example, Exodus would have happened centuries before they were finally edited. This topic is expanded upon in dating the Bible.
An important point to keep in mind is the documentary hypothesis, which using the biblical evidence itself, claims to demonstrate that our current version was based on older written sources that were lost. Although it has been modified heavily over the years, most scholars accept some form of this hypothesis. There have also been and are a number of scholars who reject it, for example Egyptologist Kenneth Kitchen[61] and the late Umberto Cassuto and Gleason Archer.
There are three loosely defined historical schools of thought with regard to the historical accuracy of the Bible,
biblical minimalism — which holds the primacy of modern archaeological evidence, and maintains the theology and apology, and all stories within it are of a later aetiological character
biblical maximalism — which holds that also the historical accounts of the Exodus, Judges and United Monarchy, king David and king Saul, are to be taken as largely accurate
non-historical method of reading the Bible; the traditional religious reading of the Bible independent of archaeological evidence, assuming it to be accurate.
Note that historical opinions fall on a spectrum, rather than into tightly defined camps. Since there is a wide range of opinions regarding the historical accuracy of the Bible, it should not be surprising that any given scholar may have views that fall anywhere between these loosely defined camps.

and this quote on united monarchy

The Bible reports that Jehoshaphat, a contemporary of Ahab, offered manpower and horses for the northern kingdom's wars against the Arameans. He strengthened his relationship with the northern kingdom by arranging a diplomatic marriage: the Israelite princess Athaliah, sister or daughter of King Ahab, married Jehoram, the son of Jehoshaphat (2 Kings 8:18). The house of David in Jerusalem was now directly linked to (and apparently dominated by) the Israelite royalty of Samaria. In fact, we might suggest that this represented the north's takeover by marriage of Judah. Thus in the ninth century BCE—nearly a century after the presumed time of David—we can finally point to the historical existence of a great united monarchy of Israel, stretching from Dan in the north to Beer-sheba in the south, with significant conquered territories in Syria and Transjordan. But this united monarchy—a real united monarchy—was ruled by the Omrides, not the Davidides, and its capital was Samaria, not Jerusalem.[74]

—Israel Finkelstein and Neil Asher Silberman, David and Solomon. In Search of the Bible's Sacred Kings and the Roots of the Western Tradition.
 
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the further back you go chronologically the less accurate it becomes. the Torah is the worst.

Possible, but this is again in response to tlong saying that history and the bible don't exist. That is totally false.
 
It's interesting to see you cite Bart Ehrman. Here is a quote from his book Misquoting Jesus (p. 10) talking about the books of the bible:


Presumably this helps to explain these. And makes most of the Bible pretty much useless as a source of information.

Bart is a skeptic and I respect him for that. But what Bart agrees on is there is Historical Evidence is the gospels. You don't have to believe in the "magic"; but it does give evidence on history of their time.
 
Bart is a skeptic and I respect him for that. But what Bart agrees on is there is Historical Evidence is the gospels. You don't have to believe in the "magic"; but it does give evidence on history of their time.

You do know that it's almost universally agreed that there was no "census" or groups of people traveling to their original villages, or directive by Herod to kill children? So that part is certainly made up.
 
You do know that it's almost universally agreed that there was no "census" or groups of people traveling to their original villages, or directive by Herod to kill children? So that part is certainly made up.

Question. Are you agreeing or denying that the Bible has historical evidence?

There is some historical documentation about Greece, Rome, Egypt, Mayan, etc that can be debated on being entirely accurate. That is where the historians distinguise between what is accurate and what may be exhaggerated.
 
Israelites spent 40 years in the desert and there's not one bit of archaeological evidence to be found.

Fails the historically accurate test.
 
Israelites spent 40 years in the desert and there's not one bit of archaeological evidence to be found.

Fails the historically accurate test.

Did you know that there hasn't been any actual archeological evidence of the 300 spartans fighting the Persians? Guess that's not true either.

There hasn't been any archelogical evidence that Washington crossed the Delaware. Guess that's false too right?

So Washington crossing the Delaware and the Spartans fighting Persians failed the historical evidence records too. You can see where this is going right?
 
Did you know that there hasn't been any actual archeological evidence of the 300 spartans fighting the Persians? Guess that's not true either.

There hasn't been any archelogical evidence that Washington crossed the Delaware. Guess that's false too right?

So Washington crossing the Delaware and the Spartans fighting Persians failed the historical evidence records too. You can see where this is going right?

I wouldn't claim the Spartans vs. Persians battles occurred without physical evidence.

Homer said there was an Atlantis. Where is it?
 
I wouldn't claim the Spartans vs. Persians battles occurred without physical evidence.

Homer said there was an Atlantis. Where is it?

And with that; you need the historians to decipher what is real, backed with their interpretation of accurate. Just like Science; you have many different views on scientific models.
 
The bible is a mixture of history and superstition.

And you just pick and choose what's what? Hasn't what was superstition and what was history in the bible changed many, many times? I don't see how any intelligent, self-aware person can believe in the bible.
 
Possible, but this is again in response to tlong saying that history and the bible don't exist. That is totally false.

You seriously think he meant there is nothing in the bible that could be true? Angels and Demons has history in it, should I follow that as gospel?
 
You seriously think he meant there is nothing in the bible that could be true? Angels and Demons has history in it, should I follow that as gospel?

Yes I actually do. Just like many are still trying to refute historical evidence in the Bible. Also, I've read the previous posts in the other religious threads that many refute that there is no such thing as a Historical Jesus either.
 
And you just pick and choose what's what? Hasn't what was superstition and what was history in the bible changed many, many times? I don't see how any intelligent, self-aware person can believe in the bible.

No Christians believe in the superstition and history; while most agnostics believe a lot of the historical truths.
 
Possible, but this is again in response to tlong saying that history and the bible don't exist. That is totally false.

They don't co-exist. I won't argue that a man named Jesus likely existed. However the historical chronology of the Bible is factually inaccurate in my opinion.
 
They don't co-exist. I won't argue that a man named Jesus likely existed. However the historical chronology of the Bible is factually inaccurate in my opinion.

Not only did a MAN named Jesus existed, but he was called Jesus Christ, evangelist and was crucified by his own people.
 
And the response wasn't saying that the entire bible is historically accurate. Historians believe that the bible has accurate historical cities, rulers, civilizations and people thousands of years ago.

Hmm okay, I think I misunderstood.
 
Did you know that there hasn't been any actual archeological evidence of the 300 spartans fighting the Persians? Guess that's not true either.

There hasn't been any archelogical evidence that Washington crossed the Delaware. Guess that's false too right?

So Washington crossing the Delaware and the Spartans fighting Persians failed the historical evidence records too. You can see where this is going right?

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae

and
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Thermopylae#Monuments
 
Not only did a MAN named Jesus existed, but he was called Jesus Christ, evangelist and was crucified by his own people.

I'm pretty sure he was called Jesus of Nazereth, not Jesus Christ. Christ means the messiah. it was not his name, it was a title later given.
 
I'm pretty sure he was called Jesus of Nazereth, not Jesus Christ. Christ means the messiah. it was not his name, it was a title later given.

Oh I know that's not his "Real" name; but Jesus Christ did exist. He was considered the Messiah for many Jews and Gentiles. He still is.
 

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