What are your beliefs on religion, god?

[MadeFromDust]

WTF I just showed you the evidence. YOU JUST LOOKED AT THE PICTURE!

How for the life of me is that evidence? Can I draw a picture of God creating the universe and say that's evidence?

 

[Denny Crane]

You quoted one mans opinion with an article from a book based on more non-emperical theories, he said that most don't agree with the singularity and I was asking him to provide that evidence

There was no opinion in the article. The article ends with the authoritative statement that most cosmologists don't believe there was a singularity.

 

[MadeFromDust]

tl;dr GG come play on my terms please.

I wasn't even responding to you. And sorry your terms cause a block that makes you unwilling to objectively look at truth, reason and evidence.

 

[Eastoff]

truth is truth regardless if someone chooses to believe it or not, remember that. I told you there's evidence and if you have any respect for truth you will examine it with an open mind and give your own verdict. But based on the Christian beliefs, faith is the key to salvation, so knowing all the facts in the world won't save you. Only God can. Hopefully He can use something to knock down some barriers if you are sincerely seeking.

Please go research scientology, hinduism, jainism, sihkism, norse mythology, et cetera and prove to me they are all wrong.

 

[MadeFromDust]

There was no opinion in the article. The article ends with the authoritative statement that most cosmologists don't believe there was a singularity.

Really? Then why do so many do? The majority?

 

[Eastoff]

How for the life of me is that evidence? Can I draw a picture of God creating the universe and say that's evidence?

the one on the left is not a drawing, that is an actually recording.

 

[magnifier661]

There was no opinion in the article. The article ends with the authoritative statement that most cosmologists don't believe there was a singularity.

Wait so since there are a ton of cosmologists, it must be true? How is this even rational? You are a fan of science and providing a link is only trying to support your opinion. Until there is a "matter of fact" equation; then don't you agree that the statement is actually an opinion?

 

[TripTango]

I don't think this is right. Matter is not converted to energy in an atomic explosion. The strong force that binds the nucleus together is released when splitting the atom into two other elements that weigh the same as the original. And a chain reaction is required to make a really big boom.

...and the strong force is responsible for the VAST majority of what we typically call "mass". Differentiating between the two in this case is some serious physics hair-splitting. (Nucleus-splitting?)

 

[SlyPokerDog]

I bet you've never spent a minute of researching the the Bible, its preservation, textual criticism, manuscript evidence we have (25,000+) to compare and how late they are dated, the Historical Method and archaeological and scientific evidence, much less read it. The answers are out there to those who have an open mind and heart. But remember, no amount of logic or argument can save someone, only the grace of God and a changed spirit can. I hope you'll seek guidance from the Lord.

Why isn't the pharaoh named in the story of Moses?

Which pharaoh did Moses meet?

 

[Further]

there are no tests for proving anything at all in the sense you mean here. science deals in probabilities, not absolutes. to repeat last night's example, there are no tests to 'prove' god didn't create an old-looking but undetectably young earth. but there are plenty of tests that indicate that's improbable, just as there are plenty of tests that indicate the existence of Yahweh, Ra, Zeus, Thor (etc.) is improbable.

there are no tests for "god" only if you leave the definition of god so vague as there's nothing specific even available to test.

We both agree that god (no matter the name) is improbable based on any particular definition in any religion. But we can not assign a number to the probability because there is nothing specific to test or measure.

If we ask - Is there a god, assuming that god is only the god as described by the bible as interpreted by person X from ***** religion. Then we could look at exactly what criteria has been assigned to god, and if any of those criteria can be tested, like the age of the earth.

But, that is just not how the question is being framed. So, if we ask, Is god real? There is nothing to count, or weigh, or measure, to provide any statistical evidence to back up any conclusion.



So if AMB or Mags, or any specific person states they believe in God, I would tend to give that notion respect until I learned exactly what they believe in connection with god. Feel free to ask them if they believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. If they say yes, then I think you could construct a very well sourced argument with plenty of evidence that their belief system is flawed. But most people I know that believe in god are not nearly as fixed into a definition of god as most religions would presume to claim.

 

[Eastoff]

Really? Then why do so many do? The majority?

oh evidence requester, let's see your polls you cite as well.

 

[MadeFromDust]

Please go research scientology, hinduism, jainism, sihkism, norse mythology, et cetera and prove to me they are all wrong.

I've researched many different religions and ideologies. I'm not going to do your work for you, if you want to know, study it yourself. If not, fine. I'm simply responding to the arguments I'm seeing given in this thread.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Unitarian Universalism isn't religion in the traditional sense of the word. You can believe whatever you want and still be a follower of the church. I'm a fan.

Did you hear the one about the Jehovah's Witness who converted to Unitarianism? He went around knocking on doors for no particular reason...

 

[drexlersdad]

what ever blows your skirt up. I dont care one way or the other what others believe, just tired of troll posts that are used to show how superior some believe they are..

try this tack..at the moment of death, there is a measurable loss of weight that some believe to be the soul..if there is no soul, are all of those who have had paranormal experiences delusional?

lol

you cant be talking about the 21 grams movie can you?

and ghosts prove god? prove ghosts!

 

[MadeFromDust]

oh evidence requester, let's see your polls you cite as well.

So do you not believe the big bang came from a singularity now, joining crow and a large minority of modern scientists?

 

[magnifier661]

Please go research scientology, hinduism, jainism, sihkism, norse mythology, et cetera and prove to me they are all wrong.

Scientology is pretty easy to prove wrong. The start of the religion was based on a fictional book. I mean the actual writer clearly admits that it's fiction. There was a group that read the book and believed it to be true and ran with it. This is much different than the other faiths that published writings and called it truth, FYI.

As for Hinduism or mythology; they believed in creation; which is much more logical to me than the universe just poofed out of chance from non-mass

 

[magnifier661]

Why isn't the pharaoh named in the story of Moses?

Which pharaoh did Moses meet?

Gandor

 

[MadeFromDust]

Why isn't the pharaoh named in the story of Moses?

Which pharaoh did Moses meet?

Knowing the name of the Pharaoh is not crucial for the story being told. If the Bible were to go exhaustively into every minute detail then we'd have one large book. The Bible however IS full of names and dates and places that can be verified historically and archaeologically.

 

[magnifier661]

So if AMB or Mags, or any specific person states they believe in God, I would tend to give that notion respect until I learned exactly what they believe in connection with god. Feel free to ask them if they believe that the earth is only 6000 years old. If they say yes, then I think you could construct a very well sourced argument with plenty of evidence that their belief system is flawed. But most people I know that believe in god are not nearly as fixed into a definition of god as most religions would presume to claim.

I don't believe the Earth is 6,000 years old. I also believe the Universe is over 13 billion years old.

 

[MadeFromDust]

the one on the left is not a drawing, that is an actually recording.

It is a drawing of a non-observable theory made by scientists. It is not empirical evidence, if there was some, you would give it. But so far there isn't any.

 

[drexlersdad]

The start of the religion was based on a fictional book.

...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Proof there is a god!

 

[MadeFromDust]

Proof there is a god!

big bang did it

 

[magnifier661]

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Yes Scientology. The Bible actually has documented historical figures. There is nothing fictional about the people explained in the Bible. As Historians agree; there is more historical evidence that Jesus Christ Existed than all other Historical figures since 200AD

 

[Denny Crane]

...and the strong force is responsible for the VAST majority of what we typically call "mass". Differentiating between the two in this case is some serious physics hair-splitting. (Nucleus-splitting?)

I was aware of using lasers to "create" matter from nothing. I'm not aware that the Law of energy conservation can be broken.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

big bang did it

Like anyone would small bang her.

 

[TripTango]

The Bible however IS full of names and dates and places that can be verified historically and archaeologically.

Which proves conclusively that it was, in fact, written by people who were alive a long time ago. And nothing more.

I don't understand why Biblical scientists get so excited when something written about in the Bible turns out to have been based on history. Even the staunchest of atheists generally don't deny the historical value of religious texts! But making reference to some actual historical events doesn't establish the truth of all of a text. A newspaper may be spot-on in it's daily weather report, but that doesn't mean I take everything else it contains as gospel. No pun intended.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Which proves conclusively that it was, in fact, written by people who were alive a long time ago. And nothing more.

I don't understand why Biblical scientists get so excited when something written about in the Bible turns out to have been based on history. Even the staunchest of atheists generally don't deny the historical value of religious texts! But making reference to some actual historical events doesn't establish the truth of all of a text. A newspaper may be spot-on in it's daily weather report, but that doesn't mean I take everything else it contains as gospel. No pun intended.

So you're saying Forrest Gump isn't true?!?

 

[MadeFromDust]

Which proves conclusively that it was, in fact, written by people who were alive a long time ago. And nothing more.

I don't understand why Biblical scientists get so excited when something written about in the Bible turns out to have been based on history. Even the staunchest of atheists generally don't deny the historical value of religious texts! But making reference to some actual historical events doesn't establish the truth of all of a text. A newspaper may be spot-on in it's daily weather report, but that doesn't mean I take everything else it contains as gospel. No pun intended.

It's but one of many collaborating evidences you can find for biblical Christianity, it's by no means is meant to be a knock-down argument or something. I'm just saying the facts and evidence are there for those who sincerely look for it.

 

[TripTango]

I was aware of using lasers to "create" matter from nothing. I'm not aware that the Law of energy conservation can be broken.

Where do you see energy conservation violated?