What are your beliefs on religion, god?

[magnifier661]

Which proves conclusively that it was, in fact, written by people who were alive a long time ago. And nothing more.

I don't understand why Biblical scientists get so excited when something written about in the Bible turns out to have been based on history. Even the staunchest of atheists generally don't deny the historical value of religious texts! But making reference to some actual historical events doesn't establish the truth of all of a text. A newspaper may be spot-on in it's daily weather report, but that doesn't mean I take everything else it contains as gospel. No pun intended.

I get as excited as reading other history books. But you must be impressed that a bunch of sheephearders were able to write historical data of places thousands of miles and hundreds of years away

 

[Denny Crane]

Wait so since there are a ton of cosmologists, it must be true? How is this even rational? You are a fan of science and providing a link is only trying to support your opinion. Until there is a "matter of fact" equation; then don't you agree that the statement is actually an opinion?

You are confused. There are no matter of fact equations. That's the kind if straw man crowTrobot already pointed out.

The evidence along with Reason along with many others seeing the same evidence and their Reason affirms it all. No evidence of a creator. Evidence of a Big Bang. Our best understanding of the observable is no singularity.

 

[TripTango]

So you're saying Forrest Gump isn't true?!?

Of course I'm not saying that. In fact, I have started a religion based on him. Want to join?

 

[drexlersdad]

There is nothing fictional about the people explained in the Bible.

dude...

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Of course I'm not saying that. In fact, I have started a religion based on him. Want to join?

Only if we can use a box of chocolate for communion.

 

[TripTango]

I get as excited as reading other history books. But you must be impressed that a bunch of sheephearders were able to right historical data of places thousands of miles and hundreds of years away

If you're talking about so-called Biblical predictions, I think that's better evidence of confirmation bias than of magical sheepherder powers. You can find seemingly valid predictions in any text if you look hard enough.

 

[MadeFromDust]

There is nothing fictional about the people explained in the Bible.

It all depends on what your philosophical presuppositions are. If you believe in the God of the Bible, then everything in the Bible can be believed miracle wise and as far as preservation goes.

 

[TripTango]

Only if we can use a box of chocolate for communion.

Oh man... I'm in.

I remember always wishing that we got salsa to go with those wafers rather than wine. Those things could be pretty tasty with the right condiments! And then I would feel super guilty for wishing that Jesus came with salsa.

 

[magnifier661]

You are confused. There are no matter of fact equations. That's the kind if straw man crowTrobot already pointed out.

The evidence along with Reason along with many others seeing the same evidence and their Reason affirms it all. No evidence of a creator. Evidence of a Big Bang. Our best understanding of the observable is no singularity.

So E=MC2 is not matter of fact? So the SQ= T dS is not a matter of fact? So the laws of science aren't "a matter of fact"?

 

[magnifier661]

If you're talking about so-called Biblical predictions, I think that's better evidence of confirmation bias than of magical sheepherder powers. You can find seemingly valid predictions in any text if you look hard enough.

No I am not talking about the miracles. I am talking about actual events that took place in locations thousands of miles away and hundreds of years before it was written.

 

[Denny Crane]

Where do you see energy conservation violated?

I don't because the mass of the original element is the sum of the masses of the product elements.

I don't see matter turned into energy, just energy released. I also see energy applied, especially when there is no chain reaction. Or in the case of a nuke, to implode the core.

 

[MadeFromDust]

No I am not talking about the miracles. I am talking about actual events that took place in locations thousands of miles away and hundreds of years before it was written.

Let's just say if there was an archaeological discovery that contradicted the Bible, you'd have heard about it.

 

[SlyPokerDog]

Oh man... I'm in.

I remember always wishing that we got salsa to go with those wafers rather than wine. Those things could be pretty tasty with the right condiments! And then I would feel super guilty for wishing that Jesus came with salsa.

Dude, you can not eat Jesus with salsa. That's just wrong.

 

[Denny Crane]

So E=MC2 is not matter of fact? So the SQ= T dS is not a matter of fact? So the laws of science aren't "a matter of fact"?

E=mc^2 is not a matter of fact. It is not a LAW of science. It is part of the THEORY of relativity,

 

[Eastoff]

Let's just say if there was an archaeological discovery that contradicted the Bible, you'd have heard about it.

you mean like fossils? =]

 

[TripTango]

No I am not talking about the miracles. I am talking about actual events that took place in locations thousands of miles away and hundreds of years before it was written.

You think news didn't travel before the internet? Even word-of-mouth can travel faster than 1,000 miles per 100 years (0.0011 mph)!

 

[magnifier661]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science

Laws of science

Scientific laws:
1.) Summarize a large collection of facts determined by experiment into a single statement,

2.) Can usually be formulated mathematically as one or several statements or equation, or at least stated in a single sentence, so that it can be used to predict the outcome of an experiment, given the initial, boundary, and other physical conditions of the processes which take place,

3.) Are strongly supported by empirical evidence - they are scientific knowledge that experiments have repeatedly verified (and never falsified). Their accuracy does not change when new theories are worked out, but rather the scope of application, since the equation (if any) representing the law does not change. As with other scientific knowledge, they do not have absolute certainty like mathematical theorems or identities, and it is always possible for a law to be overturned by future observations.

4.) Are often quoted as a fundamental controlling influence rather than a description of observed facts. I.e. "the laws of motion require that"

The "In bold definition" sounds pretty "matter of fact" don't ya think?

 

[magnifier661]

You think news didn't travel before the internet? Even word-of-mouth can travel faster than 1,000 miles per 100 years (0.0011 mph)!

Yes true; but how do you suppose sheephearders would know in great detail of locations, dates and people? There are people that have little to no association with the circle they would be associated with. Stop reaching Foo!

 

[MadeFromDust]

you mean like fossils? =]

nope =) if you want an argument for fossils from a literal biblical flood perspective then there are sources and sound arguments for those too:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

But there are also many Christians who believe in evolution, and since the Bible doesn't even mention fossils there is nothing there to contradict.

 

[Denny Crane]

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Laws_of_science



The "In bold definition" sounds pretty "matter of fact" don't ya think?

No. It sounds indisputable.

 

[magnifier661]

No. It sounds indisputable.

Okay Mr. Playing with words. The link that started this mess on that Singularity Theory. Is it indisputable?

 

[TripTango]

I don't because the mass of the original element is the sum of the masses of the product elements.

I don't see matter turned into energy, just energy released. I also see energy applied, especially when there is no chain reaction. Or in the case of a nuke, to implode the core.

What reaction are you talking about here? Mass is energy. If energy is released, mass is decreased, whether or not it's a chain reaction.

 

[magnifier661]

nope =) if you want an argument for fossils from a literal biblical flood perspective then there are sources and sound arguments for those too:

http://www.answersingenesis.org/

But there are also many Christians who believe in evolution, and since the Bible doesn't even mention fossils there is nothing there to contradict.

As much as you and I can disagree; The one thing I always see agreement on are when Atheists always chime in with evolution or the age of the universe, etc.

A simple answer that could support the literal term could mean so many different things. If God isn't part of Matter, Space and Time; then a day to him is what? 1 day, 1000 days, 1000000 days, infinite days? Regardless of when the Universe and Earth were created; it was only a day to God. I mean basically it really doesn't matter to God.

And to further explain the "concept" If God is trying to explain to man how the earth and universe was created; how would he? If he is not bound by space and time; yet man is; how can man even conceive the actual start date of the universe?

 

[MadeFromDust]

Matter is being created in that image from the immaterial.

I missed this post sorry. So if something is created doesn't that imply that there is a creator? God is immaterial and we are made in the image of God according to the Bible. How can something not-personal that doesn't exist create you in a certain image? I think you shot yourself in the foot a bit here.

 

[TripTango]

Yes true; but how do you suppose sheephearders would know in great detail of locations, dates and people? There are people that have little to no association with the circle they would be associated with. Stop reaching Foo!

You're going to have to identify some specific sheepherders. Do you know which ones, exactly, were responsible for different chapters? Who was in their circle? Or are you just supposing that it was a "Joseph Smith" style miracle? How could he have possibly written the entire Book of Mormon? His dad was just a farmer!

 

[MadeFromDust]

As much as you and I can disagree; The one thing I always see agreement on are when Atheists always chime in with evolution or the age of the universe, etc.

A simple answer that could support the literal term could mean so many different things. If God isn't part of Matter, Space and Time; then a day to him is what? 1 day, 1000 days, 1000000 days, infinite days? Regardless of when the Universe and Earth were created; it was only a day to God. I mean basically it really doesn't matter to God.

And to further explain the "concept" If God is trying to explain to man how the earth and universe was created; how would he? If he is not bound by space and time; yet man is; how can man even conceive the actual start date of the universe?

I have less of a problem with the age of the earth/universe than I do with the theory that man evolved from an ape-like creature. If it were proven that we did not evolve from an ape-like ancestor then it essentially proves we are created beings in a created world, and it's easy to understand why many people would not like the implications of that. Problem with authority maybe? Depraved in sin in rebellion against God? Who knows.

 

[Denny Crane]

Okay Mr. Playing with words. The link that started this mess on that Singularity Theory. Is it indisputable?

Nobody claims it is fact. Your side misrepresents that truth. Of course it's disputable. There is just mountains of verifiable evidence for a Big Bang.

 

[magnifier661]

You're going to have to identify some specific sheepherders. Do you know which ones, exactly, were responsible for different chapters? Who was in their circle? Or are you just supposing that it was a "Joseph Smith" style miracle? How could he have possibly written the entire Book of Mormon? His dad was just a farmer!

Moses, Isaiah, Abraham, Peter was a fisherman.

And we aren't talking miracles. We are talking about historical evidence. I take it you don't believe in miracles; so I took that equation.

 

[Denny Crane]

What reaction are you talking about here? Mass is energy. If energy is released, mass is decreased, whether or not it's a chain reaction.

Ok. I agree with this.

 

[TripTango]

Moses, Isaiah, Abraham, Peter was a fisherman.

You're saying that Exodus was written BY Moses? Why does he never refer to himself as "I"?