What exactly do we need in a new arena that couldn't be added to the Moda Center

[kjironman1]

Its not the Moda. Its the area around it. Sly has shown great ideas with the vegas still roof over the pedestrain area and hotels, etc.

the only other thing i think is a priority is elevating the max or traffic so there isn't the traffic jam down there like it always is.

Yeah expand the streetcar system through and around it.

 

[blazerkor]

It's going to be a big job whatever it is and we all know the city needs revitalization projects like this. Obviously it's ideal if private developers are footing the bill but to be honest if the city and state can leverage the right kind of deal that leaves them with enough ownership of whatever the solution ends up being; it will obviously be a government money costing measure up front but could be a money generating measure for the city and state in the long rum... not that politicians and people for that matter are known for taking a long term approach to things.

One thing that I find interesting from another thread is that there is a report that the Spurs ownership, the city of San Antonio and the county came to an agreement on a new downtown San Antonio development that will include the Spurs new arena. The interesting part to me is that we have the governments of the city of Portland and the state of Oregon on record saying they're willing to both chip in, not to mention potentially the county.

I think we'll see an agreement reached pretty quickly... it might not even need to go to a vote if executive branches of the local and state government can make it work with current taxes on a 10 or 15 year plan that includes taking on some significant debt up front that projects to being an eventual surplus in the future. I mean maybe a vote from the city council and state legislature is required but possibly not a vote on a ballot of any kind, if they can fit it within the framework of existing laws that overwrite spending.

 

[BlazerWookee]

Most important first step: Get rid of the god-awful name.

 

[barfo]

Most important first step: Get rid of the god-awful name.

Sticking with the healthcare theme, and recognizing who has money now, we could maybe have the Knight Cancer Institute Center. Or just Cancer Center for short.

barfo

 

[julius]

Sticking with the healthcare theme, and recognizing who has money now, we could maybe have the Knight Cancer Institute Center. Or just Cancer Center for short.

barfo

They could name it the Freddies United Center, or Capital United National Theatre Stadium.

 

[BigGameDamian]

Will the Blazers have to move temporarily during the renovation period?

 

[julius]

Will the Blazers have to move temporarily during the renovation period?

I would assume most of the renovations, if they did them, would be coordinated with the seasons. I.e., stuff in the concourse during the season, stuff in the seating area during the off season. It's not like they have to gut the Rose Garden and it will take years to upgrade things. The biggest obstacle/hardest thing to build is the shell, and it's perfectly fine.

But like I had suggested earlier (and that rat bastard Sly tried to take credit for it), they could build up something outside of the arena to create a new covered area, and that way the area that they can renovate doesn't necessarily screw up the concourse or the natural flow of fans.

I.e., They could build a covered area between the Moda and the MC, and enclose some of it which would expand the concourse while they remodel it.

There are plenty of options to make the remodel doable with the team playing or at least during the off season.

 

[blazerkor]

I would assume most of the renovations, if they did them, would be coordinated with the seasons. I.e., stuff in the concourse during the season, stuff in the seating area during the off season. It's not like they have to gut the Rose Garden and it will take years to upgrade things. The biggest obstacle/hardest thing to build is the shell, and it's perfectly fine.

But like I had suggested earlier (and that rat bastard Sly tried to take credit for it), they could build up something outside of the arena to create a new covered area, and that way the area that they can renovate doesn't necessarily screw up the concourse or the natural flow of fans.

I.e., They could build a covered area between the Moda and the MC, and enclose some of it which would expand the concourse while they remodel it.

There are plenty of options to make the remodel doable with the team playing or at least during the off season.

I just don't know if what we've heard matches this. It sounds like a gutted and rebuilt Rose Garden would be a concession on the part of new ownership. You have to believe that Silver was aware of Dundon when he made that comment about a new arena. I'm assuming a brand new arena is what Dundon wants. So a full gutting and major rebuild is the only way I see our team continuing to play in the Rose Garden... along with major construction and demolition in the surrounding area.

The fact is, if the city and citizens could have some foresight about all of this we would all want new hotels, a new or completely rebuilt arena, a bunch of new restaurants. We would want the type of infrastructure that could get us all star games, maybe the Olympics, huge conventions and all of the external revenue that comes with those things.

People constantly ask why Salt Lake City is considered for all star games and we aren't. The answer is simple, they made major major upgrades to there infrastructure and hospitality leading up to the 2002 Winter Olympics. So now they have what's needed to host anything no matter how big. Sometimes an event necessitates innovation but sometimes people have to be smart enough to majorly innovate and renovate to get events.

 

[Phatguysrule]

Or just Cancer Center for short.

barfo

Oh yeah, kind of a throwback to the Jail Blazers!? That is a nice way to honor them...

 

[barfo]

I understand LA is a crime-ridden hell-hole. We should get the Olympic committee to transfer the 2028 summer games to Portland. That should set us up pretty well for future NBA all-star games, pickleball tournaments, and the like.

barfo

 

[SharpeScooterShooter]

Nice ideas.

The absolute first thing that needs to be done is to widen I-5 in that area to 3-4 lanes in each direction.

I would do the following based on the color codes below:

1) Take the orange max lines and elevate them in that section.

2)In the red section is the max stop for all directions with a platform that continues along the green colors until it meets with the elevation of the moda. Posisbly dropping down to Drexler street, but the East side would likely meet right up to the level of the fire pit, etc, or can be made to be.

3) create a covered, Vegas Fremont Street style roof over Center ct road. The full length.

4) in the blue section, create a food court(carts?)/lounge area, possibly stage for bands/entertainment.

5) where the medical facility is, renovate that to be larger, so the bottom section all the way around can be filled with bars and restaurants.


I think if the max is elevated in that area, it significantly helps the flow of traffic.

 

[julius]

I just don't know if what we've heard matches this. It sounds like a gutted and rebuilt Rose Garden would be a concession on the part of new ownership.

where did you hear that? Where the hell would they play for the year or two that would take?

 

[BlazerWookee]

I just don't know if what we've heard matches this. It sounds like a gutted and rebuilt Rose Garden would be a concession on the part of new ownership. You have to believe that Silver was aware of Dundon when he made that comment about a new arena. I'm assuming a brand new arena is what Dundon wants. So a full gutting and major rebuild is the only way I see our team continuing to play in the Rose Garden... along with major construction and demolition in the surrounding area.

The fact is, if the city and citizens could have some foresight about all of this we would all want new hotels, a new or completely rebuilt arena, a bunch of new restaurants. We would want the type of infrastructure that could get us all star games, maybe the Olympics, huge conventions and all of the external revenue that comes with those things.

People constantly ask why Salt Lake City is considered for all star games and we aren't. The answer is simple, they made major major upgrades to there infrastructure and hospitality leading up to the 2002 Winter Olympics. So now they have what's needed to host anything no matter how big. Sometimes an event necessitates innovation but sometimes people have to be smart enough to majorly innovate and renovate to get events.

Fuck the All Star game, and fuck the Olympics. Well, Olympic basketball, anyway. Silly games, played with silly rules, on silly courts, and (in the Olympics) with a silly ball.

 

[SharpesTriumph]

where did you hear that? Where the hell would they play for the year or two that would take?

They need to bulldoze the MC - one of the most worthless buildings in all of downtown.

I've been to Boston where they have 300 year old buildings with rooms the revolution started in. Or Europe where the buildings are thousands of years old. Stupid that people talk about the MC being some "historic" site we should keep as though it's similar to any of those.

 

[julius]

They need to bulldoze the MC - one of the most worthless buildings in all of downtown.

I've been to Boston where they have 300 year old buildings with rooms the revolution started in. Or Europe where the buildings are thousands of years old. Stupid that people talk about the MC being some "historic" site we should keep as though it's similar to any of those.

Yeah, the Coliseum needs to be torn down...but I don't remember seeing where gutting the RG was part of the deal with the new ownership group.

 

[Phatguysrule]

They need to bulldoze the MC - one of the most worthless buildings in all of downtown.

I've been to Boston where they have 300 year old buildings with rooms the revolution started in. Or Europe where the buildings are thousands of years old. Stupid that people talk about the MC being some "historic" site we should keep as though it's similar to any of those.

I don't remember anything about how historic the MC was? I thought it had to do with the fact that it is a war memorial (or apparently has a war memorial in the basement)?

 

[BigGameDamian]

I thought Adam Silver said that the Blazers would either need a new arena or major renovations done to the Moda Center?

 

[julius]

I don't remember anything about how historic the MC was? I thought it had to do with the fact that it is a war memorial (or apparently has a war memorial in the basement)?

It was the "design" being unique.

 

[julius]

I thought Adam Silver said that the Blazers would either need a new arena or major renovations done to the Moda Center?

Major renovations does not equal gutting.

 

[Phatguysrule]

It was the "design" being unique.

It's a fucking cube. It's the most basic design imaginable... How can they make that argument with a straight face?!?

*Granted, it is loud as hell*

 

[Hoopguru]

I thought Adam Silver said that the Blazers would either need a new arena or major renovations done to the Moda Center?

He did say it...

 

[julius]

It's a fucking cube. It's the most basic design imaginable... How can they make that argument with a straight face?!?

*Granted, it is loud as hell*

It's a unique design, in the sense that's a very VERY 1950's design (I happen to prefer that era of architecture, but I'm a weirdo).

I think it was just people being afraid of change and came up with what they felt was a plausible reason to keep it.

 

[AldoTrapani]

It's going to be a big job whatever it is and we all know the city needs revitalization projects like this. Obviously it's ideal if private developers are footing the bill but to be honest if the city and state can leverage the right kind of deal that leaves them with enough ownership of whatever the solution ends up being; it will obviously be a government money costing measure up front but could be a money generating measure for the city and state in the long rum... not that politicians and people for that matter are known for taking a long term approach to things.

One thing that I find interesting from another thread is that there is a report that the Spurs ownership, the city of San Antonio and the county came to an agreement on a new downtown San Antonio development that will include the Spurs new arena. The interesting part to me is that we have the governments of the city of Portland and the state of Oregon on record saying they're willing to both chip in, not to mention potentially the county.

I think we'll see an agreement reached pretty quickly... it might not even need to go to a vote if executive branches of the local and state government can make it work with current taxes on a 10 or 15 year plan that includes taking on some significant debt up front that projects to being an eventual surplus in the future. I mean maybe a vote from the city council and state legislature is required but possibly not a vote on a ballot of any kind, if they can fit it within the framework of existing laws that overwrite spending.

Yup the one good thing about the city falling off in recent years, it’s completely humbled local government. If Portland was still extremely popular best believe they would be playing hard ball with these ideas

 

[RR7]

I don't remember anything about how historic the MC was? I thought it had to do with the fact that it is a war memorial (or apparently has a war memorial in the basement)?

It's on the National Register of Historic Places for it's "International Style" of glass and concrete design. By being designated as such, it makes it a huge pain in the ass to tear down

 

[PDXFonz]

Take the roof off so that they can play basketball in our lovely weather conditions. First ever rain delay in basketball, we could make history.

 

[julius]

Take the roof off so that they can play basketball in our lovely weather conditions. First ever rain delay in basketball, we could make history.

Actually, there was a game delayed and then postponed due to rain. In 1986, a game between the Suns and Sonics had to be delayed due to rain leaking from the roof of the Seattle Coliseum.


Which if you think about it is crazy.


Seattle used to have an NBA team!?

 

[kjironman1]

First off the City Of Portland owns the MC. There was a push to tear it down in 2009 but veterans association and at the time a strong push from former leaders convinced Sam Adams and the city council to keep it. I just don't see Vic Atiyeh (Passed away in 2014) having that pull in 2025. The building was built in 1958-1960 so it's over 60 years old.
The MC is on the National register of Historic Places. Not exactly sure why? What is exactly nationally "Historic" about the MC?
There used to be a group called "Friends of the Memorial Coliseum" but it seems that group has since dispersed as most of the members have gotten so old they are not much of a force or are long since passed.
The Site probably should have been used to build a baseball stadium years ago but It seems that basketball has more pull.

 

[julius]

First off the City Of Portland owns the MC. There was a push to tear it down in 2009 but veterans association and at the time a strong push from former leaders convinced Sam Adams and the city council to keep it. I just don't see Vic Atiyeh (Passed away in 2014) having that pull in 2025. The building was built in 1958-1960 so it's over 60 years old.
The MC is on the National register of Historic Places. Not exactly sure why? What is exactly nationally "Historic" about the MC?
There used to be a group called "Friends of the Memorial Coliseum" but it seems that group has since dispersed as most of the members have gotten so old they are not much of a force or are long since passed.
The Site probably should have been used to build a baseball stadium years ago but It seems that basketball has more pull.

The thing that annoys me about it is how they've spent decent money this last summer doing some upgrades. So to tear it down just further shows how much money they've wasted on it.

It is an ideal spot to put a new stadium (if they can't do something like Lloyd Center), esp if they end up demolishing the RG to make the area even better (two 20K seat stadiums that close to each other makes no sense).

 

[SheedSoNasty]

First off the City Of Portland owns the MC. There was a push to tear it down in 2009 but veterans association and at the time a strong push from former leaders convinced Sam Adams and the city council to keep it. I just don't see Vic Atiyeh (Passed away in 2014) having that pull in 2025. The building was built in 1958-1960 so it's over 60 years old.
The MC is on the National register of Historic Places. Not exactly sure why? What is exactly nationally "Historic" about the MC?
There used to be a group called "Friends of the Memorial Coliseum" but it seems that group has since dispersed as most of the members have gotten so old they are not much of a force or are long since passed.
The Site probably should have been used to build a baseball stadium years ago but It seems that basketball has more pull.

I’m sure there’s a way to memorialize the MC (no pun intended) while making way for something that would benefit present and future generations.

 

[kjironman1]

I’m sure there’s a way to memorialize the MC (no pun intended) while making way for something that would benefit present and future generations.

It's veterans. The name is Veterans Memorial Coliseum. So put a nice veterans memorial out in front of whatever they build. This is a no brainer. I'm a veteran and believe me in no way do I draw any significant worthwhile significance from the Coliseum being named Veterans Memorial Coliseum.