OT What if he was black??

[bodyman5000 and 1]

By not implementing racist and bigoted thoughts into children.

So, not preventable. Got it.

 

[dviss1]

Of course I wouldn't. I've told you that a million times.

Right so instead of fighting inequality, DO SOMETHING TO FUCKING HELP!!

That says very plainly that you know what's happening, you know you don't want it for you, I want to know why you're so willing to accept it or to allow it to happen for others. - Jane Elliott

 

[dviss1]

I don't think they're preventable. There are core reasons why people commit acts of violence.

1) Money

2) Crime of passion (IE walking in on your wife with another man)

3) Hatred - which to me is a byproduct of something else. If you are willing to kill someone because they're black or they're trans or a Jew or whatever, there's something deeper wrong with you. I'm sure there are plenty of racists out there that would never kill or harm someone..... they're just racist pieces of shit and they judge people based on their skin, but that doesn't make them take the jump to violence. It's the same with school shooters. Millions upon millions of people are bullied every year, but only a few will pick up a gun or a knife and lash out.

So to me, there's just crazy pieces of shit who harm others, whether it's because they're another color, or they're gay, or whatever...... there's no fixing that person. They are broken. I am 100% certain that you can cure racism, but you can't cure crazy.

In the past, these crazy fucks would go off to war and die on some battle field. We weeded out the nutjobs because there was a place to send them. This is probably the longest sustained period of peace that we as a race have ever had. Yes, we've had conflicts like Iraq and Afghanistan, but we haven't had a major world war that killed millions since the 40s. I personally think that's why we have seen so many shootings and violence. Those people would have been drafted and sent overseas where they could kill to their hearts content, and they'd probably die in combat.

They're totally preventable watch:

 

[dviss1]

Bull? If you have money, you can get away with most things. It’s wrong, but it’s the truth.

OJ Had money. They still took it all and put him in prison for taking his own possessions back. I

Bottom line Dave Chappelle was right. It's only funny because it's true. Denying it really just helps sweep the problem under the rug. :

 

[Chris Craig]

dviss, do you need to ask? He'd have been shot.
White and poor, gone to prison first off.

This. If he were black the police would have shot him probably. Unless he was rich and black...that'd be interesting. If there were no affluenza component he would have gotten a long sentence.

Its ridiculous that because this guy is rich he gets to use that as an excuse. Killing people is killing people...we all know better regardless of how much money we have.

 

[MarAzul]

You Would NEVER trade the way you're treated in society for the way we are.

Don't know about the "we", but I sure don't want any of the, black cloud, turd kicking. low attitude you have.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Right so instead of fighting inequality, DO SOMETHING TO FUCKING HELP!!

That says very plainly that you know what's happening, you know you don't want it for you, I want to know why you're so willing to accept it or to allow it to happen for others. - Jane Elliott

The thing is that I don't want black kids to get the same easy sentence, I want the white kid to get what he deserved.

That doesn't help you any other than feeling that things are fair. Tell me how to make it happen and I'll help put white dui kids behind bars until they're 21. Lemme know how.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This. If he were black the police would have shot him probably. Unless he was rich and black...that'd be interesting. If there were no affluenza component he would have gotten a long sentence.

Its ridiculous that because this guy is rich he gets to use that as an excuse. Killing people is killing people...we all know better regardless of how much money we have.

Millions of people have driven drunk and got away with it. Millions.

I ran from the cops doing 100 plus in a 35 two decades ago and got away with it.

If I'd have killed someone I would have gotten the book thrown at me. A white high school friend ran from the cops on the freeway and spent an actual year in prison when he was 19.

He did more time than this kid got and he didn't kill anyone.


We've all done stupid things and the fact that this kid got off easy doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme, it's an outlier

 

[dviss1]

The thing is that I don't want black kids to get the same easy sentence, I want the white kid to get what he deserved.

That doesn't help you any other than feeling that things are fair. Tell me how to make it happen and I'll help put white dui kids behind bars until they're 21. Lemme know how.

If you think I'm advocating for ANYONE to get easier sentences, I don't even know what to say....

 

[dviss1]

We've all done stupid things and the fact that this kid got off easy doesn't mean shit in the grand scheme, it's an outlier

Only that it's not.

http://www.naacp.org/criminal-justice-fact-sheet/

Incarceration Trends in America

• Between 1980 and 2015, the number of people incarcerated in America increased from roughly 500,000 to over 2.2 million.
• Today, the United States makes up about 5% of the world’s population and has 21% of the world’s prisoners.
• 1 in every 37 adults in the United States, or 2.7% of the adult population, is under some form of correctional supervision.

Racial Disparities in Incarceration

• In 2014, African Americans constituted 2.3 million, or 34%, of the total 6.8 million correctional population.
• African Americans are incarcerated at more than 5 times the rate of whites.
• The imprisonment rate for African American women is twice that of white women.
• Nationwide, African American children represent 32% of children who are arrested,
  42% of children who are detained, and 52% of children whose cases are judicially
  waived to criminal court.
• Though African Americans and Hispanics make up approximately 32% of the US
  population, they comprised 56% of all incarcerated people in 2015.
• If African Americans and Hispanics were incarcerated at the same rates as whites,
  prison and jail populations would decline by almost 40%.

Drug Sentencing Disparities

• In the 2015 National Survey on Drug Use and Health, about 17 million whites and 4 million African Americans reported having used an illicit drug within the last month.
• African Americans and whites use drugs at similar rates, but the imprisonment rate of African Americans for drug charges is almost 6 times that of whites.
• African Americans represent 12.5% of illicit drug users, but 29% of those arrested for drug offenses and 33% of those incarcerated in state facilities for drug offenses.

Effects of Incarceration

• A criminal record can reduce the likelihood of a callback or job offer by nearly 50 percent. The negative impact of a criminal record is twice as large for African American applicants.
• Infectious diseases are highly concentrated in corrections facilities: 15% of jail inmates and 22% of prisoners – compared to 5% of the general population – reported ever having tuberculosis, Hepatitis B and C, HIV/AIDS, or other STDs.
• In 2012 alone, the United States spent nearly $81 billion on corrections.
• Spending on prisons and jails has increased at triple the rate of spending on Pre‐K‐12 public education in the last thirty years.

 

[crandc]

Smoking is very strongly correlated with lung cancer. But some people who never smoked get lung cancer. If dviss were to say smoking causes lung cancer, bodyman would google and find every person on earth who did not smoke but got lung cancer and say see, people who don't smoke get lung cancer so what are you beefing about?

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

If you think I'm advocating for ANYONE to get easier sentences, I don't even know what to say....

I don't know what you're advocating. All it seems like is a bitchfest because one dumb kid got a ridiculous free pass.

If there's proof that black kids get a worse sentence on average for the same crime in the same state let's actually investigate it and do something about it. They need to have the same priors as well. First offense vs first offense and so on.

Now we're just rehashing the same thing about the same kid we talked about a couple of years ago.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Smoking is very strongly correlated with lung cancer. But some people who never smoked get lung cancer. If dviss were to say smoking causes lung cancer, bodyman would google and find every person on earth who did not smoke but got lung cancer and say see, people who don't smoke get lung cancer so what are you beefing about?

Nope actually you two are the ones who cherry pick. Dviss starts a thread about one special case that we can't prove is because he is rich more than white. How do we prove it is race? Have a rich black kid kill four people in the same town and see what happens?

That wouldn't even account for all the variables. The media attention this case got would probably get another white kid the max in that same court.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

https://www.google.com/amp/www.chic...-release-shooting-met-20170313-story,amp.html

 

[dviss1]

I don't know what you're advocating. All it seems like is a bitchfest because one dumb kid got a ridiculous free pass.

If there's proof that black kids get a worse sentence on average for the same crime in the same state let's actually investigate it and do something about it. They need to have the same priors as well. First offense vs first offense and so on.

Now we're just rehashing the same thing about the same kid we talked about a couple of years ago.

It's BEEN investigated..... I JUST quoted numbers above...

And... You can't REALLY be thinking I'm advocating that some black rapist to get the same sentence as Brock Turner do you????

Brock Turner released from jail after serving half of six-month sentence in Stanford sexual assault case


http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/la-me-ln-brock-turner-released-20160902-snap-htmlstory.html
Former Stanford University student Brock Turner was released from jail early Friday morning, after serving half of a six-month jail sentence on a sexual assault conviction.

Turner, whose sentence was widely criticized for its leniency, was released shortly after 6 a.m. and was met by a crowd of reporters. He exited the jail and got into a waiting white SUV that left immediately afterward. Turner offered no comment to reporters.

“If we had our way, Brock Turner would be in state prison serving a six year sentence, not going home,” the Santa Clara County District Attorney’s office said in a statement.

The statement emphasized the focus on a bill, AB 2888, that would require a state prison sentence for anyone convicted of sexually assaulting an unconscious person.

“With the Governor’s signature, the next Brock Turner will go to prison,” the statement said.

Early releases are commonly given because of good behavior and because of California’s prison realignment. Superior Court Judge Aaron Persky is facing a recall campaign over his handling of Turner’s case.

Turner was convicted in March of three felony counts: assault with the intent to commit rape of an unconscious person, sexual penetration of an unconscious person and sexual penetration of an intoxicated person. He attacked an unconscious woman behind a garbage bin on the Palo Alto university’s campus in January 2015.

At his sentencing, Turner faced up to 14 years in prison. Prosecutors sought a six-year prison term.

Persky ultimately opted for the lighter jail term of six months and also sentenced the Ohio native to three years of probation. At the time, he said a lengthier penalty would have a “severe impact” on Turner.

Criticism of the sentence escalated after the unidentified victim’s 12-page, single-spaced letter that she read in court went viral after it was published by the media.

She harshly criticized Persky for giving Turner “a soft time-out, a mockery of the [seriousness] of the assaults.”

 

[dviss1]

Nope actually you two are the ones who cherry pick. Dviss starts a thread about one special case that we can't prove is because he is rich more than white. How do we prove it is race? Have a rich black kid kill four people in the same town and see what happens?

That wouldn't even account for all the variables. The media attention this case got would probably get another white kid the max in that same court.

I'm done with your bullshit cognitive dissonance man....

 

[Cippy91]

OJ Had money. They still took it all and put him in prison for taking his own possessions back. I

Bottom line Dave Chappelle was right. It's only funny because it's true. Denying it really just helps sweep the problem under the rug. :

You can’t show up with a gun trying to take your memorabilia back. That’s what OJ did.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

It's BEEN investigated..... I JUST quoted numbers above...

And... You can't REALLY be thinking I'm advocating that some black rapist to get the same sentence as Brock Turner do you????

Brock Turner released from jail after serving half of six-month sentence in Stanford sexual assault case


Former Stanford University student Brock Turner was released from jail early Friday morning, after serving half of a six-month jail sentence on a sexual assault conviction.

Turner, whose sentence was widely criticized for its leniency, was released shortly after 6 a.m. and was met by a crowd of reporters. He exited the jail and got into a waiting white SUV that left immediately afterward. Turner offered no comment to reporters.

“If we had our way, Brock Turner would be in state prison serving a six year sentence, not going home,” the Santa Clara County District Attorney’s office said in a statement.

The statement emphasized the focus on a bill, AB 2888, that would require a state prison sentence for anyone convicted of sexually assaulting an unconscious person.

“With the Governor’s signature, the next Brock Turner will go to prison,” the statement said.

Early releases are commonly given because of good behavior and because of California’s prison realignment. Superior Court Judge Aaron Persky is facing a recall campaign over his handling of Turner’s case.

Turner was convicted in March of three felony counts: assault with the intent to commit rape of an unconscious person, sexual penetration of an unconscious person and sexual penetration of an intoxicated person. He attacked an unconscious woman behind a garbage bin on the Palo Alto university’s campus in January 2015.

At his sentencing, Turner faced up to 14 years in prison. Prosecutors sought a six-year prison term.

Persky ultimately opted for the lighter jail term of six months and also sentenced the Ohio native to three years of probation. At the time, he said a lengthier penalty would have a “severe impact” on Turner.

Criticism of the sentence escalated after the unidentified victim’s 12-page, single-spaced letter that she read in court went viral after it was published by the media.

She harshly criticized Persky for giving Turner “a soft time-out, a mockery of the [seriousness] of the assaults.”

I recall this being a bleeding heart liberal judge, was he not?

I'd prefer if crime like this had a very narrow sentence range then there isn't a beef.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I'm done with your bullshit cognitive dissonance man....

You just posted a soft on crime liberal judge letting someone off easy and you attribute it SOLELY to race. You have chosen what you want to believe and will not budge.

I could waterboard that judge and he would say it wasn't because of race and you won't believe it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

Yep, this thread has convinced me that we don't need to let judges choose the sentence. They just need to ensure a fair trial and if the jury convicts you they convict you and you get what is already set.

 

[Cippy91]

I don't know what you're advocating. All it seems like is a bitchfest because one dumb kid got a ridiculous free pass.

If there's proof that black kids get a worse sentence on average for the same crime in the same state let's actually investigate it and do something about it. They need to have the same priors as well. First offense vs first offense and so on.

Now we're just rehashing the same thing about the same kid we talked about a couple of years ago.

There is no proof. It differs everywhere. Depends on the judge. People will say it’s racist. It’s whatever. It’s easy to point the finger rather than the same violent communities in inner cities whether black or white, Latino take responsibility. You watched that flint documentary. You know how it goes

 

[Cippy91]

This thread is literal nonsense. The cherry picks of all cherry picks just to line up with a narrative. Can’t believe crandc and Chris wanna say oh if he were black he would of been shot. Okay? Yeah that isn’t divisive at all. Hey you two how about whenever you’re in trouble you just don’t call the police because according to the bullshit narrative all they do is hunt black people and the justice system is obviously rigged right? It doesn’t reflect how certain communities are, no it’s just a giant conspiracy. Insane

 

[Cippy91]

Yep, this thread has convinced me that we don't need to let judges choose the sentence. They just need to ensure a fair trial and if the jury convicts you they convict you and you get what is already set.

This thread convinced me dviss needs to be a judge. We need somebody fair and balanced out there

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This thread convinced me dviss needs to be a judge. We need somebody fair and balanced out there

Judges to me are like cops. If you want the job I probably don't want you to have it.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

This thread is literal nonsense. The cherry picks of all cherry picks just to line up with a narrative. Can’t believe crandc and Chris wanna say oh if he were black he would of been shot. Okay? Yeah that isn’t divisive at all. Hey you two how about whenever you’re in trouble you just don’t call the police because according to the bullshit narrative all they do is hunt black people and the justice system is obviously rigged right? It doesn’t reflect how certain communities are, no it’s just a giant conspiracy. Insane

Crandc didn't seem to want to explain her thought process when she saw the black guy get a light sentence for killing a trans woman. It is just "screw you"

Typical of the emotional

 

[dviss1]

You can’t show up with a gun trying to take your memorabilia back. That’s what OJ did.

I don't need that explained to me. I'm knowledgeable of the situation. I still think it's stupid.

 

[bodyman5000 and 1]

I don't need that explained to me. I'm knowledgeable of the situation. I still think it's stupid.

It happened here where we incarcerate shit tons of people. If he did it in Maine he'd have gotten probation.
More proof of cherry picking.

 

[dviss1]

I hate how people rely on this "there's no proof" bullshit...

Racism isn't easy to prove. But most times the shit walks and talks just like a damn duck.

 

[dviss1]

This thread is literal nonsense. The cherry picks of all cherry picks just to line up with a narrative. Can’t believe crandc and Chris wanna say oh if he were black he would of been shot. Okay? Yeah that isn’t divisive at all. Hey you two how about whenever you’re in trouble you just don’t call the police because according to the bullshit narrative all they do is hunt black people and the justice system is obviously rigged right? It doesn’t reflect how certain communities are, no it’s just a giant conspiracy. Insane

No.

What's insane is the cognitive dissonance in this country.

 

[dviss1]

It's funny how the same USUAL suspects come in here and don't even attempt to answer the question. They just get defensive about their whiteness and go into their usual bullshit enclave of security. Unable to step outside of their own thinking.

Same people all the time. It's never anyone different.