What if I told you that there is no "heaven" for "righteous souls"

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barfo said:
Aw, don't be so hard on yourself. Even libertarians probably have some redeeming qualities.

barfo
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Your body is battered and bruised. When will your wife stop beating you?
 
From here on out I think threads like these should add "is that something you might be interested in" to the end of the title.
 
Fonzthecpt1 said:
From here on out I think threads like these should add "is that something you might be interested in" to the end of the title.
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That is implied with every thread.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
If there's no heaven, there's no reason to be good, therefore I will rob your house since there is no reason for morality.
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Nope. We are just animals and savages without the fear of God or the afterlife.
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There are lots of atheists who are raised atheist who are wonderful people who do good. I don't need Heaven to love my neighbors. If someone announced today that there is no Heaven, I wouldn't go out and start murdering and robbing people.
 
EL PRESIDENTE said:
If there's no heaven, there's no reason to be good, therefore I will rob your house since there is no reason for morality.
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
Nope. We are just animals and savages without the fear of God or the afterlife.
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EL PRESIDENTE said:
They were raised in cultures where moral codes via religion have been long established. They are atheists, but the society they were raised in is one that has laws and rules that were based on reward or punishment in the afterlife.
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Laws have nothing to do with punishment in the afterlife. They are based on punishment on Earth. You go to jail, not Hell, of you break a law. If its all about punishment in the afterlife, why have jail? Satan will get them in the end, right?
 
I think the place we go to after we die is the same place we were before we born. Non-existent.
 
KingSpeed said:
Laws have nothing to do with punishment in the afterlife. They are based on punishment on Earth. You go to jail, not Hell, of you break a law. If its all about punishment in the afterlife, why have jail? Satan will get them in the end, right?
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So why give a shit about hell and a shitty punishment? You endorse prison as punishment and you don't believe in afterlife. Yet here you are agreeing with prison.

Such contradiction! Lol
 
I had a near death experience 30 years ago. I was in an accident and suffered a major concussion and assorted bumps and bruises.

I remember just before the accident. Then I remember being revived in the ambulance.

In between, nothing but utter blackness. If I didn't revive, I wouldn't have felt a thing.

I didn't see a light or any of that crap. Just... Nothing.

What this suggests is that your consciousness is not always there. A sufficient blow to the head, and you go blank.

People who were at the accident scene told me I actually got up and walked around. I don't remember any of that, to this day.

A sufficient blow to the head and you lose short term memory. In my case, about half an hour.

There is no soul.
 
Or Denny, you experienced an encounter with relatives that have already passed, but you dont remember it hahaha
 
Denny Crane said:
I had a near death experience 30 years ago. I was in an accident and suffered a major concussion and assorted bumps and bruises.

I remember just before the accident. Then I remember being revived in the ambulance.

In between, nothing but utter blackness. If I didn't revive, I wouldn't have felt a thing.

I didn't see a light or any of that crap. Just... Nothing.

What this suggests is that your consciousness is not always there. A sufficient blow to the head, and you go blank.

People who were at the accident scene told me I actually got up and walked around. I don't remember any of that, to this day.

A sufficient blow to the head and you lose short term memory. In my case, about half an hour.

There is no soul.
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But that conflicts with your theory about your brain and the organic chemical responses are a part of your consciousness? If you are able to function and walk around, it takes function from many parts of your brain.

Not remembering is not proof of consciousness. Do you remember when you were born? You were conscious then?
 
MarAzul said:
Shit! I must have drawn the wrong one! It sure seemed like hell.
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Wanna know the irony?

Since these atheist believes after we die everything goes black, then this mortal life is all we have.

So let's say one commits a crime and receives "life without parol". That would be the same as one going to hell and burn for eternity. I mean if you don't believe in afterlife, then life in prison is exactly the same.

Now here's the kicker... They bitch and moan about "how could God create hell" yet will have no problem with man sending people to hell.

Can we say "contradiction"?
 
magnifier661 said:
Wanna know the irony?

Since these atheist believes after we die everything goes black, then this mortal life is all we have.

So let's say one commits a crime and receives "life without parol". That would be the same as one going to hell and burn for eternity. I mean if you don't believe in afterlife, then life in prison is exactly the same.

Now here's the kicker... They bitch and moan about "how could God create hell" yet will have no problem with man sending people to hell.

Can we say "contradiction"?
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I think I got the picture quite some time back. Hell is what you get when you haven't got your shit right. No wait required.
 
Denny Crane said:
I had a near death experience 30 years ago. I was in an accident and suffered a major concussion and assorted bumps and bruises.

I remember just before the accident. Then I remember being revived in the ambulance.

In between, nothing but utter blackness. If I didn't revive, I wouldn't have felt a thing.

I didn't see a light or any of that crap. Just... Nothing.

What this suggests is that your consciousness is not always there. A sufficient blow to the head, and you go blank.

People who were at the accident scene told me I actually got up and walked around. I don't remember any of that, to this day.

A sufficient blow to the head and you lose short term memory. In my case, about half an hour.

There is no soul.
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Every account I've read of someone that had actually died and then been resuscitated basically says the same thing. No lights, pearly gates, flashbacks, etc. just nothingness and/or blackness.
 
Here are many more links for you to read BMJ. So at least you can say "I've read some that say I've seen the light and others say blackness"

http://www.npr.org/templates/story/story.php?storyId=104397005

And think about this my friends... How could one even know they see blackness if they are conscious? Seems a little contradictory huh?

I mean if you are dead and all that's left is black, then you wouldn't see shit right? At least Denny admits that he didn't even know the last 30 minutes of the event.

Do we remember the events when we sleep? It's been observed our mind dreams more than 3-4 times a night. What memories you have of that? Your conscious is active and you can't remember....
 
Run BJM said:
Every account I've read of someone that had actually died and then been resuscitated basically says the same thing. No lights, pearly gates, flashbacks, etc. just nothingness and/or blackness.
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Obviously. If your brain isn't getting blood and oxygen, it's not going to function.

As for the mumbo jumbo...

http://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_hysteria
 
magnifier661 said:
The link doesn't work for me.

I'm sure I got the jest of it though.

"Blah blah blah something to support no God"

How close am I?
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Not even in the ballpark. :tsktsk: Just the opposite, in fact.

You're so cynical, no wonder you're religious. :sigh:

Big hit back in the day.



Rock and Roll Heaven

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock n' roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band Jimmy

Gave us rainbows and Janis
Took a piece of our hearts and Otis

Brought us all to the dock of a bay
Sing a song to light my fire, remember Jim
That way, they've all found another place, another place to play

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock n' roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band Jimmy

Remember bad bad Leroy Brown, hey Jimmy
Touched us with that song
Time won't change a friend we came to know and Bobby

Gave us Mack the Knife
Well look out, he's back in town
They'll all be there together
When they meet in one big show

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock n' roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band Jimmy

There's a spotlight waiting
No matter who you are 'cuz everybody's got a song to sing
Everyone's a star
(Everybody's got to be a star)

If you believe in forever
Then life is just a one-night stand
If there's a rock n' roll heaven
Well you know they've got a hell of a band, band, band Jimmy

Songwriters
STEVENSON, JOHNNY / O'DAY, ALAN

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Nah Maris, it's just that you're so cynical and your past posts usually resemble what I just posted
 
magnifier661 said:
Wanna know the irony?

Since these atheist believes after we die everything goes black, then this mortal life is all we have.

So let's say one commits a crime and receives "life without parol". That would be the same as one going to hell and burn for eternity. I mean if you don't believe in afterlife, then life in prison is exactly the same.

Now here's the kicker... They bitch and moan about "how could God create hell" yet will have no problem with man sending people to hell.

Can we say "contradiction"?
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How/why is that a contradiction?
 
RR7 said:
How/why is that a contradiction?
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Easy... An Atheist believes that when you die, everything turns black. Your conscious is gone, dead, zero. To an atheist, your time on Earth is your conscious eternity. So whatever time you have on Earth is all the time you have.

So if you are sent to prison for life, that is a punishment of torment (prison ain't fun right?) for the rest of your life.

So the moment a "Atheist" throws out some bullshit "How can God be so cruel to form hell?", Yet these same people will support prison systems is quite contradictory.
 
magnifier661 said:
Easy... An Atheist believes that when you die, everything turns black. Your conscious is gone, dead, zero. To an atheist, your time on Earth is your conscious eternity. So whatever time you have on Earth is all the time you have.

So if you are sent to prison for life, that is a punishment of torment (prison ain't fun right?) for the rest of your life.

So the moment a "Atheist" throws out some bullshit "How can God be so cruel to form hell?", Yet these same people will support prison systems is quite contradictory.
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They're hardly contradictory or hypocritical of a take, though.

One is a man made device used to both protect the populace and punish an offender. The other is theoretically made by an all knowing all powerful creator. Man built prisons and laws in response to a problem or problems. Out of necessity. The thought of god being cruel could be connected to him creating us in a way where people can end up burning for eternity, unnecessarily.
 
RR7 said:
They're hardly contradictory or hypocritical of a take, though.

One is a man made device used to both protect the populace and punish an offender. The other is theoretically made by an all knowing all powerful creator. Man built prisons and laws in response to a problem or problems. Out of necessity. The thought of god being cruel could be connected to him creating us in a way where people can end up burning for eternity, unnecessarily.
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I dont want to be rude, but do I understand you correctly? You blame God for the choices you are allowed to make due to being given free will?


One could easily make the argument that Hell is no more of a danger than gravity. You can choose to step off a cliff, does that make God the bad guy?
 
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DaLincolnJones said:
I dont want to be rude, but do I understand you correctly? You blame God for the choices you are allowed to make due to being given free will?
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Well, I don't believe, so no, I don't blame god.
 
RR7 said:
Well, I don't believe, so no, I don't blame god.
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that does not match up with your earlier statement QT "The thought of god being cruel could be connected to him creating us in a way where people can end up burning for eternity, unnecessarily."

You seem to blame God for giving man free will...or do I not understand something?
 
RR7 said:
They're hardly contradictory or hypocritical of a take, though.

One is a man made device used to both protect the populace and punish an offender. The other is theoretically made by an all knowing all powerful creator. Man built prisons and laws in response to a problem or problems. Out of necessity. The thought of god being cruel could be connected to him creating us in a way where people can end up burning for eternity, unnecessarily.
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This comment is a total double standard.

So you are saying "it's okay for man to punish, but not God?"
 
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