Politics What if it turns out the other side was right?

[MarAzul]

He is a natural born citizen. He was born in the State of Hawaii. He was born in 1961 two years after Hawaii became a state. He is an American Citizen, naturally born.

I gather you feel the requirement in the Constitution for the president to be a Natural Born Citizen is superfluous, where Natural Born Citizen and Citizen are the same.

No, I do not think this was the original intent at all.

 

[MarAzul]

It was a good question. What is your reasoning then if that is not the case?

A clue would be, the reason they had to except themselves from the requirement of being Natural Born Citizens. Many were not
as understood in the definition of the term in Natural law.

 

[CupWizier]

If Trump is indicted it will be for financial fraud, not collusion. I'm okay with it if it happens. He has served his purpose.

and what was his purpose? to embarrass the USA? Yes, he has done that better than anyone.

 

[dviss1]

There are a multitude of investigations currently tasked with investigating the Clintons, some Trump supporters, corrupt present and former FBI/DOJ/DOS,IRS employees, conducted by many different agencies, IG's, SC's, and private firms.

I'll wait for the dust to settle.

Stop bullshitting and answer the question...

"What if it turns out the other side was right?"

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Literally zero chance.

Mueller has all the intercepts.

 

[CupWizier]

There are a multitude of investigations currently tasked with investigating the Clintons, some Trump supporters, corrupt present and former FBI/DOJ/DOS,IRS employees, conducted by many different agencies, IG's, SC's, and private firms.

I'll wait for the dust to settle.

Great, so we won't be seeing any of your long winded worthless drivel posts complaining about the investigation then. Thanks

 

[MarAzul]

Are you suggesting that the only people who can be president are those who were born in states that were states before 1786?

I think you can expect the definition of the United States is correct through the expansion of additional States.

Sorry, I inferred incorrectly that you were asking if the candidate had to be born before 1786.

 

[calvin natt]

MarAzul and Maris: On a scale of 1-10, 1 being a box of rocks and 10 being supremely intelligent, where you do rank Trump and where do you rank Obama?

 

[Chris Craig]

A clue would be, the reason they had to except themselves from the requirement of being Natural Born Citizens. Many were not
as understood in the definition of the term in Natural law.

Ok riddler. So, what is your qualm? You said you accepted that he was born in Hawaii, part of the United States. Is his father your reason?

They made an acception for themselves because they were born in England, and they did not want to be ineligible. So, your interpretation is that it must be them or people decended from them and those who were already were in the US at the time of the signing? That, no decendants from further immigrants could be considered naturally born citizens?

 

[dviss1]

If Trump is indicted it will be for financial fraud, not collusion. I'm okay with it if it happens. He has served his purpose.

Collusion is not a crime. He most certainly won't be indicted for that.

Conspiracy is a crime.

He could very well be indicted for that.

And what's this purpose you speak of, taking down the Republican party?

 

[Chris Craig]

Collusion is not a crime. He most certainly won't be indicted for that.

Conspiracy is a crime. He could very well be indicted for that.

Same difference. Colluding/conspiracy against the United States.

 

[riverman]

If Trump is indicted it will be for obstruction more than likely...maybe perjury as well

 

[Chris Craig]

If Trump is indicted it will be for obstruction more than likely...maybe perjury as well

There will be multiple charges

 

[dviss1]

A clue would be, the reason they had to except themselves from the requirement of being Natural Born Citizens. Many were not
as understood in the definition of the term in Natural law.

Man.... Your post doesn't seem to have a clue right now...

 

[dviss1]

Same difference. Colluding/conspiracy against the United States.

Colluding is not the name of the crime. It's conspiracy and that's what it should've been referred to in the first place.

 

[Chris Craig]

I gather you feel the requirement in the Constitution for the president to be a Natural Born Citizen is superfluous, where Natural Born Citizen and Citizen are the same.

No, I do not think this was the original intent at all.

He is a naturally born citizen. He was born in the United States, and came naturally out of his mother's vagina.

 

[The Professional Fan]

He is a naturally born citizen. He was born in the United States, and came naturally out of his mother's vagina.

Just spit up my drink.....

 

[The Professional Fan]

I'm still not at all following how Obama isn't a natural born citizen of the United States. If Trump's parents were not from America but Trump was born in Hawaii, wouldn't Trump be eligible to be President?

I'm so lost.

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm still not at all following how Obama isn't a natural born citizen of the United States. If Trump's parents were not from America but Trump was born in Hawaii, wouldn't Trump be eligible to be President?

I'm so lost.

Trump's mother was not from America and came here illegally. Is he then ineligable?

 

[Chris Craig]

I'm still not at all following how Obama isn't a natural born citizen of the United States. If Trump's parents were not from America but Trump was born in Hawaii, wouldn't Trump be eligible to be President?

I'm so lost.

I think his argument is that both parents have to be born here for you to be considered natural born. Or, as he will argue both be citizens upon your birth because if they are citizens then when you are born, quite naturally you are a citizen.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Trump's mother was not from America and came here illegally. Is he then ineligable?

Based on Marz logic, yes. Based on what I've always thought (born in the USA), no.

I mean, is this the morphed version of birtherism because it was proven Obama was born in Hawaii? So the response of the birthers is now "Oh, well, he's not a NATURAL born citizen" and then spin up a bunch of bullshit to support their racism? I guaran-fucking-t they would never try this bullshit on Trump. I wonder why?

 

[dviss1]

Based on Marz logic, yes. Based on what I've always thought (born in the USA), no.

I mean, is this the morphed version of birtherism because it was proven Obama was born in Hawaii? So the response of the birthers is now "Oh, well, he's not a NATURAL born citizen" and then spin up a bunch of bullshit to support their racism? I guaran-fucking-t they would never try this bullshit on Trump. I wonder why?

Mind you they've NEVER done it before and MFs wanna think we're wrong for calling it racist.

 

[Natebishop3]

If they found him innocent, is accept the findings and work toward 2020.

Whether he broke the law or not (he did), he's still a piece of shit that disgraces the office.

 

[MarAzul]

as he will argue both be citizens upon your birth.

>>> No.

He was born in the United States, and came naturally out of his mother's vagina.

>>> That would make the requirement superfluous. It is not, they did have a reasoned intent.

The term in not defined in the Constitution as the term was reasonable well known in that day, as defined in Natural Law.

 

[The Professional Fan]

Mind you they've NEVER done it before and MFs wanna think we're wrong for calling it racist.

Birtherism is 100% rooted in racism and unwarranted fear of a muslim that isn't a muslim

He's black and his middle name is Hussein!!!!!!

 

[Chris Craig]

Based on Marz logic, yes. Based on what I've always thought (born in the USA), no.

I mean, is this the morphed version of birtherism because it was proven Obama was born in Hawaii? So the response of the birthers is now "Oh, well, he's not a NATURAL born citizen" and then spin up a bunch of bullshit to support their racism? I guaran-fucking-t they would never try this bullshit on Trump. I wonder why?

Its one interpretation and it is a stretch. Its Marzy's interpretation of what the founding fathers must have meant because he was around when the constitution was written and knows. There are many interpretations. Shit, Cruz was born in Canada and was running.

 

[Chris Craig]

>>> No.


>>> That would make the requirement superfluous. It is not, they did have a reasoned intent.

The term in not defined in the Constitution as the term was reasonable well known in that day, as defined in Natural Law.

Then spell it out. We are asking and you are talking in riddles.

They didn't want a foriegner to take control of the militia of the United States so they wanted only natural born citizens, those born of parents, who were born of citizens. Or, more indepthly as in England, the father must be a citizen.

 

[MarAzul]

If Trump's parents were not from America but Trump was born in Hawaii, wouldn't Trump be eligible to be President?

No.

 

[dviss1]

>>> No.


>>> That would make the requirement superfluous. It is not, they did have a reasoned intent.

The term in not defined in the Constitution as the term was reasonable well known in that day, as defined in Natural Law.

You have no CLUE of what the founders intended.... Jesus...

 

[H.C.]

and what was his purpose? to embarrass the USA? Yes, he has done that better than anyone.

It's posts like these from both sides which further divide the country.
I know many only-Republicans who believe Obama embarrassed the country more than any president due to his 'apology tour'.
Now we have only-Democrats on here claiming Trump has embarrassed the USA more than any other president.

I call nonsense like this out irl, I'll call it out here as well as nonsense.