Politics What if it turns out the other side was right?

[dviss1]

Im thinking he won't run again. But he will wait tell the last minute to announce. Hillary will too.

I have a standing wager to ANY conservative here.

Trump or no trump Hillary won't run.

$100 dollars says she doesn't.

Put your money where your mouth is.

 

[dviss1]

Maybe you have forgotten that Trump has plans to do off shore drilling along our coast lines. It's nice to become more self suffecient but at what environmental costs. Imagine going to Canon Beach and seeing oil rigs.

He's trying to drill in ANWAR as we speak. And folks come in here talking about no one is pro oil... Get the fuck outta here with that bullshit...

 

[PtldPlatypus]

You either believe the president committed treason or that he didn't.

You think it's impossible for someone to not know whether or not they believe the President committed treason? If when asked I say, "I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised either way," that's an unreasonable response?

 

[dviss1]

I never interpreted that as being "Oil is the best!!", so much as, "Better to produce our oil domestically than to import it from OPEC".

More drilling doesn't do that and you know it.

OPEC controls prices and more domestic drilling doesn't change that.

 

[dviss1]

You think it's impossible for someone to not know whether or not they believe the President committed treason? If when asked I say, "I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised either way," that's an unreasonable response?

IMO There are only 2 answers to the question:

Do you believe the president conspired with Russia to win the election?

Yes or no?

 

[Shaboid]

You either believe the president committed treason or that he didn't.

I truthfully can say I don't have enough information to make an assertion either way. If I had to make a gut call, I would say yes, he did some shady and probably illegal things to become president, but I don't think it will be enough for him to be impeached. Resign, maybe.

So yeah, I'm not sure what side that puts me on.

 

[dviss1]

I truthfully can say I don't have enough information to make an assertion either way. If I had to make a gut call, I would say yes, he did some shady and probably illegal things to become president, but I don't think it will be enough for him to be impeached. Resign, maybe.

So yeah, I'm not sure what side that puts me on.

I'll ask the question again:

Do you believe the president conspired with Russia to win the election?

 

[PtldPlatypus]

More drilling doesn't do that and you know it.

More domestic drilling wouldn't theoretically lead to more domestic production?

Then the oil industry is a lot more complicated than I realized.

 

[Shaboid]

I'll ask the question again:

I have no idea. If I was on the stand and was asked that question, that would be my answer. I told you my gut feeling above, and if that doesn't work for you

 

[dviss1]

More domestic drilling wouldn't theoretically lead to more domestic production?

Then the oil industry is a lot more complicated than I realized.

More domestic production won't make a dent in gas prices, nor will the pipelines the want to run through the heart of our country.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

IMO There are only 2 answers to the question:

Do you believe the president conspired with Russia to win the election?

Yes or no?

So to answer my question, yes, you believe that for me to respond to your question with, "I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised either way," is not a reasonable response.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one.

 

[dviss1]

I have no idea. If I was on the stand and was asked that question, that would be my answer. I told you my gut feeling above, and if that doesn't work for you

A simple yes or no would suffice. It's a yes/no question.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

More domestic production won't make a dent in gas prices, nor will the pipelines the want to run through the heart of our country.

I don't believe I said anything about prices, just volume of importation.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

A simple yes or no would suffice. It's a yes/no question.

There are a lot of yes/no questions to which one can reasonably respond, "I don't know." I believe this to be one of them.

 

[dviss1]

So to answer my question, yes, you believe that for me to respond to your question with, "I don't know, I wouldn't be surprised either way," is not a reasonable response.

We will have to agree to disagree on that one.

I think that's a yes or no question. It's different than asking what you think. That's an open ended inquiry.

 

[Shaboid]

A simple yes or no would suffice. It's a yes/no question.

I provided you with my answer, so, you can take it or leave it.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I think that's a yes or no question. It's different than asking what you think. That's an open ended inquiry.

The question you asked, specifically, was "do you believe..." That's asking what I think.

 

[barfo]

More domestic drilling wouldn't theoretically lead to more domestic production?

Then the oil industry is a lot more complicated than I realized.

Well, you do have to drill in the right places.

barfo

 

[dviss1]

There are a lot of yes/no questions to which one can reasonably respond, "I don't know." I believe this to be one of them.

I was always referring to gas prices. My bad.

 

[riverman]

IMO There are only 2 answers to the question:

Do you believe the president conspired with Russia to win the election?

Yes or no?

I believe without doubt that the Russians and Ukranians tampered with team Trump and I believe Trump has lied about knowing about it....I am also pretty sure he kept himself insulated with fall guys the whole time..still does. Trump has always worked this way...he doesn't listen to people at all so I doubt he knew much but he did put his campaign team together and we now know several were knee deep in corruption and talking to the Russians

 

[dviss1]

I believe without doubt that the Russians and Ukranians tampered with team Trump and I believe Trump has lied about knowing about it....I am also pretty sure he kept himself insulated with fall guys the whole time..still does. Trump has always worked this way...he doesn't listen to people at all so I doubt he knew much but he did put his campaign team together and we now know several were knee deep in corruption and talking to the Russians

16 cabinet members including 2 of his children.

So is that a yes or no?

 

[Shaboid]

I think that's a yes or no question. It's different than asking what you think. That's an open ended inquiry.

I don't know if it is a yes or no question.

Okay, I just couldn't pass on that one.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Well, you do have to drill in the right places.

barfo

Of course. Which is why I said "theoretically" rather than "definitively".

 

[riverman]

16 cabinet members including both of his children.

So is that a yes or no?

yes to team Trump collusion...no to Trump being able to be tied to collusion through the team
yes to Trump being found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice and maybe witness tampering when his guys were under fire...attacking the lead prosecutor is not going to help his cause

 

[PtldPlatypus]

I was always referring to gas prices. My bad.

Ah, there's our disconnect. In my mind, "drill baby drill" was not connected to gas prices so much as reducing dependence on foreign production.

 

[dviss1]

yes to team Trump collusion...no to Trump being able to be tied to collusion through the team
yes to Trump being found guilty of perjury and obstruction of justice and maybe witness tampering when his guys were under fire...attacking the lead prosecutor is not going to help his cause

Repost:

Sorry but I don't believe that for one second.

 

[dviss1]

Ah, there's our disconnect. In my mind, "drill baby drill" was not connected to gas prices so much as reducing dependence on foreign production.

Bro, that's EXACTLY how the conservatives sold the keystones pipeline.

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Repost:

Sorry but I don't believe that for one second.

The new fun game, 3 degrees of Vladimir Putin!

 

[PtldPlatypus]

Bro, that's EXACTLY how the conservatives sold the keystones pipeline.

I dunno--Palin talked a lot about energy independence when she was pushing drilling back in '08.

 

[Hoopguru]

Sure, but what if they find him guilty?

What's your side gonna do?

I believe they'll do the exact opposite.

If they find him guilty I think many moderates, independents and conservatives will stand by it. But the extremist on both sides won’t.
I think when Willy was found guilty most on both sides believed it. There needs to be those on all sides willing to work together rather than constantly fighting.