What if we bench Yi, and start boone at pf instead....

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nets1 said:
how many weeks, or months, or years do we wait for that to happen before the nets decide to make a change?
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Boone is still hurt, even if he does start again, I doubt it's gonna be at PF for reasons people have already mentioned.
 
YiOF said:
Boone is still hurt, even if he does start again, I doubt it's gonna be at PF for reasons people have already mentioned.
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You know it doesn't have to be boone and i've already said that many times as well. What i'm asking now is how long do the nets try the Yi experiment before trying something else. It doesn't have to be boone!

Did i mention it doesn't have to be boone. Let me clarify here ah boone doesn't have to be the starter here the nets have several other options since they have like 4 or 5 other pf options...

How long does the invisible man get to start?
 
my fellow posters, it's only what 2 months into the season??? 17 games overall and already we are demanding for change????

i know it's easier said than done, but we as people tend to look at the negatives and cons more than the positives.... the guy is barely legal to drink in the United States and yet we want him to be playing at a level of a Tim Duncan with years of experience or a Dirk with years of experience etc... this is YI second year, completely different oriented offense compared to the bucks last year.... YI is getting his footwork down and is improving whether people tend to acknowledge it or not... yes he missed some shots, if we're going to use that to single him out, single out the whole roster, everyone misses shots its a not the worse thing in the world. he also makes his shots but there hasn't been a game where i can confidently say Frank tried to run the offense through him... hell, remember the Miami game? he was lights out until Frank (or VC) decided to ignore him in the final 3 minutes or so and allowed the heat to catch up and win...

i stand by comments towards coach Frank in regards he does have YI playing too much from the 3pt line, i mean what good is having a 7 footer who can run and post if he is only suppose to stay behind the 3?

as good as Boone improved, he will be very good off the bench backing up Lopez. can't put the both of them unless its 2 minutes left in the game and we need defensive stops.
 
nets1 said:
You know it doesn't have to be boone and i've already said that many times as well. What i'm asking now is how long do the nets try the Yi experiment before trying something else. It doesn't have to be boone!

Did i mention it doesn't have to be boone. Let me clarify here ah boone doesn't have to be the starter here the nets have several other options since they have like 4 or 5 other pf options...

How long does the invisible man get to start?
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Start who? Ryan Anderson? And biggest question, why?

Anderson has as many invisible games as Yi does, 1-8, 1-6, 1-5, 1-4 shooting nights. Oh right, he's coming off the bench, he's supposed to not have rhythm on his shots. Jarvis Hayes is only shooting .421 FG%, and .280 3p%, and a lot of people here are in love with him. Has Nets bench been that bad over the years, that people hold such low standard for them? Of coarse there is a double standard for bench and starters since they are not suppose to be as good. but it doesn't mean we should just ignore the bad part.

Now back to Ryan Anderson. He does look more aggressive offensively. The advantage Ryan Anderson has right now is that, although not as athletic as Yi, but he knows how to use it very well. He's making a few drives whenever he's on the floor, he's diving on the floor for loose balls. With second unit, Anderson probably has more freedom for him to do more on offense. But the fact is their Stats/min is almost identical. Anderson's slight higher shooting % is shrinking every game. Defensive wise, he's just as bad with less length to alter shots. He's not even getting all the PF minutes when Yi is not on the floor, which probably can tell you his likelihood of starting.

Now lets talk about Yi's starting spot. The biggest reason people have about him is he's in consistency. but can you blame everything on him? I think Nets offensive system has a lot to do with it. With the starting Unit, Yi is more or less a spot up shooter to create open lanes for Harris and Carter to Drive. If he's defender leave him to help protect the paint more, he's gonna get more open looks for more production. If he's his defender decides to stay with him all the time, the only time Yi touches the ball is on top of the key outside three point line. He might be able to drive from there, but why would he when you have Harris and Carter for that. With the current system, I think he's production is largely determined by opposition defender on him.

I don't see Yi getting more consistent until the Nets expend the play book to run a few plays for Yi. Brook is more consistent because he gets consistent feeds to the low post for him to operate, and he hasn't disappointed so far. I think yi can be a good pick'n'roll player, He's demonstrated the ability to knock down open jumpers or roll to the basket. But nets run too few of them. I've also seen Yi seal off a smaller defenders in the post but never get the ball, he's got a good spin move and a fade away jump shot he could use in those areas.

Bottom line is, I don't see any reason Nets fan should be so erratic about Yi. How many 21 year olds can say that they scored 27 points in an NBA game? Harris' career high was 24 points before this year, now he exploded with the right system creating room for him to drive. Yi's got loads of potential, and he's shown flashes of them. If you don't see it, you probably should look harder. He's improved an many areas since last year, I think eventually Nets will run some more set plays for him to flourish, we just need to be patient and stop with the "player is as good as the last game he played" posts every single game.
 
CalamityX04 said:
i'm not sure what point he was trying to make but its pretty bad to blame any sort of disfunction or loss on the ex-bucks....:tsktsk:

Frank needs to make the system work... all Nets Fans have been begging for a post scorer, we have two potential solid ones in YI and Brook yet the post up plays are nearly non existent for them...
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You see it too, as well as most people. Nets were high on their one two punch in Harris and Carter. Wizards kept them in check with some good timed fouls and defense. D. Stevenson went off on the Net's non-D at the 3pt line, and he scored 21 points at 63% from threes. Nets continued to try to iso Carter and Harris and fails to score in the 3rd Q.

Nets lose, we blame role players. rofl.
 
I thought the article, like the title of the article was about the poor production from the nets starting forwards. Well Frank stated in the article that he's letting Yi sink or swim.

On a bright note anyway, Yi has had two really good games one against the heat, and one against the clippers. The heat are a small team upfront and the clippers really didn't play any defense. So, in keeping with Yi's inconsistency nets fans can expect one of his good games against the timberwolves. Its been about 4 or 5 games since the last one, so i'm looking forward to it.....

Come on Yi, its time to show all your potential again...Us nets fans need our weekly fix...

oh yeah, go nets!!!
 
he has to score 25+ to be considered a good game? that's some high expectations
 
last year the wolves ate yi up. Smith aka the rhino was mowed Yi down.
 
well i'd be happy with 17/9, but really i'm looking for a bit more. I'd like him to physical in the paint, play some decent defense, and maybe have an assist or two. I'd like to see him alter some shots ( you know show some presence in the paint ) and maybe a block or two. In other words, not play like he has in the past 3 games or so.

Its really the perfect type of opponent for him and i'd really like to see the "potential" everybody here is hyping up. You know like a normal starting nba power forward. Its just hard for me to understand how you can be seven foot and be so invisible. I know there is a learning curve here and since he was " given" the starting spot in the rotation because of his potential, it would be nice to see it every once and a while.

Is that asking too much from the Yi apologists??
 
nets1 said:
well i'd be happy with 17/9, but really i'm looking for a bit more. I'd like him to physical in the paint, play some decent defense, and maybe have an assist or two. I'd like to see him alter some shots ( you know show some presence in the paint ) and maybe a block or two. In other words, not play like he has in the past 3 games or so.

Its really the perfect type of opponent for him and i'd really like to see the "potential" everybody here is hyping up. You know like a normal starting nba power forward. Its just hard for me to understand how you can be seven foot and be so invisible. I know there is a learning curve here and since he was " given" the starting spot in the rotation because of his potential, it would be nice to see it every once and a while.

Is that asking too much from the Yi apologists??
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Like I posted in the other thread, Just because Yi is not scoring himself, doesn't mean he's invisible. If he's standing in the corner dragging a defender out to create open lanes for Harris to drive, he's contributing. If he set some good picks for VC or Harris for a open shot or open lane to drive to the basket, that's contributing. expecting him to score 17 points is absurd when there is no play ran for him. If the other teams decides to leave him alone and send his man to help with others, he could burn you with 27 points like he did in Clippers game.
 
nets1 said:
well i'd be happy with 17/9, but really i'm looking for a bit more. I'd like him to physical in the paint, play some decent defense, and maybe have an assist or two. I'd like to see him alter some shots ( you know show some presence in the paint ) and maybe a block or two. In other words, not play like he has in the past 3 games or so.

Its really the perfect type of opponent for him and i'd really like to see the "potential" everybody here is hyping up. You know like a normal starting nba power forward. Its just hard for me to understand how you can be seven foot and be so invisible. I know there is a learning curve here and since he was " given" the starting spot in the rotation because of his potential, it would be nice to see it every once and a while.

Is that asking too much from the Yi apologists??
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MVP Anderson need to get his head out of his ass and take Yi's starting job. Simple as that, I'm out.
 
Forget about points right now. He commits far too many fouls, and gets far too few offensive rebounds. Over the past four games, for instance, he has grabbed a TOTAL of 1 offensive rebounds and gotten one steal and two blocks, while committing 13 fouls. When he gets close, he gets his shot blocked a ridiculous 29% of the time (according to 82games.com). On the plus side, he is committing fewer turnovers thatn he was earlier in the season. Still, he is a net negative in number of possessions.

He also lacks consistency. I will give you a string of numbers: 0, 6, 0, 8, 6, 0, 2, 2, 0. Those are the number of free throws he has taken in the last nine games. Too often he exhibits no aggressiveness at all.

He should be taking roughly ten shots a game. Often he hits that number, but he has had a few games, like the last one, when he has taken just four shots. Many of his shots are taken when he is open, but he misses far too many of them. Over a nine-game stretch ending three games ago, he shot a pathetic 33-for-86, or 38%. That includes his 27-point game! In the other eight games during that stretch he shot just 24-for-71, or 33.8
%. How can that possibly be acceptable?

He has shown hints that he can be a productive contributor, but there are just too many times where he just doesn't contribute at all.
 
Dumpy said:
Forget about points right now. He commits far too many fouls, and gets far too few offensive rebounds. Over the past four games, for instance, he has grabbed a TOTAL of 1 offensive rebounds and gotten one steal and two blocks, while committing 13 fouls. When he gets close, he gets his shot blocked a ridiculous 29% of the time (according to 82games.com). On the plus side, he is committing fewer turnovers thatn he was earlier in the season. Still, he is a net negative in number of possessions.

He also lacks consistency. I will give you a string of numbers: 0, 6, 0, 8, 6, 0, 2, 2, 0. Those are the number of free throws he has taken in the last nine games. Too often he exhibits no aggressiveness at all.

He should be taking roughly ten shots a game. Often he hits that number, but he has had a few games, like the last one, when he has taken just four shots. Many of his shots are taken when he is open, but he misses far too many of them. Over a nine-game stretch ending three games ago, he shot a pathetic 33-for-86, or 38%. That includes his 27-point game! In the other eight games during that stretch he shot just 24-for-71, or 33.8
%. How can that possibly be acceptable?

He has shown hints that he can be a productive contributor, but there are just too many times where he just doesn't contribute at all.
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but Dumpy, what about all his potential??
 
Dumpy said:
Forget about points right now. He commits far too many fouls, and gets far too few offensive rebounds. Over the past four games, for instance, he has grabbed a TOTAL of 1 offensive rebounds and gotten one steal and two blocks, while committing 13 fouls. When he gets close, he gets his shot blocked a ridiculous 29% of the time (according to 82games.com). On the plus side, he is committing fewer turnovers thatn he was earlier in the season. Still, he is a net negative in number of possessions.

He also lacks consistency. I will give you a string of numbers: 0, 6, 0, 8, 6, 0, 2, 2, 0. Those are the number of free throws he has taken in the last nine games. Too often he exhibits no aggressiveness at all.

He should be taking roughly ten shots a game. Often he hits that number, but he has had a few games, like the last one, when he has taken just four shots. Many of his shots are taken when he is open, but he misses far too many of them. Over a nine-game stretch ending three games ago, he shot a pathetic 33-for-86, or 38%. That includes his 27-point game! In the other eight games during that stretch he shot just 24-for-71, or 33.8
%. How can that possibly be acceptable?

He has shown hints that he can be a productive contributor, but there are just too many times where he just doesn't contribute at all.
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taking free throws is linked with possessions and shots per game. Committing fouls can also correlate to bad team defense, it can mean a lot of things.

Besides, we already agree Yi can be more productive, that's said over and over. You don't need to try and blind me with numbers. However, ALL the PF on this Nets team is just as bad and unproductive. So, it's not isolated to Yi. You have to give some of the blame to the system. Just like how the system and coaching gets credit for Harris success.
 
nets1 said:
but Dumpy, what about all his potential??
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the stupid fouls and inability to draw fouls have nothing to do with his potential. How can a PF get a total of one OR over a four-game span? It is pathetic.
 
Dumpy said:
the stupid fouls and inability to draw fouls have nothing to do with his potential. How can a PF get a total of one OR over a four-game span? It is pathetic.
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i agree 100% but some here now are blaming coach Frank for not running enough plays here for Yi.
Do you think Ryan Anderson could put up better numbers if inserted in with the starting unit? Personally i do and now i understand why frank has him in there. He's waiting for Yi to sink....
 
Malorkayel said:
taking free throws is linked with possessions and shots per game. Committing fouls can also correlate to bad team defense, it can mean a lot of things.

Besides, we already agree Yi can be more productive, that's said over and over. You don't need to try and blind me with numbers. However, ALL the PF on this Nets team is just as bad and unproductive. So, it's not isolated to Yi. You have to give some of the blame to the system. Just like how the system and coaching gets credit for Harris success.
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What is disturbing is that his numbers look incredibly similar to what they were last year. I can accept that Ryan Anderson also commits way too many turnovers, has an erratic shot, etc. He is a rookie. He also was never expected to be anything more than a sixth or seventh man type. It just doesn't seem that Yi is developing. It is especially disturbing if he turns out to be 24 years old after all.
 
nets1 said:
i agree 100% but some here now are blaming coach Frank for not running enough plays here for Yi.
Do you think Ryan Anderson could put up better numbers if inserted in with the starting unit? Personally i do and now i understand why frank has him in there. He's waiting for Yi to sink....
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I think Ryan's numbers would be similar, but Ryan does have a knack for getting under the basket and he has that nifty reverse layup. Ryan also seems to move more effectively without the ball. However, Ryan is a rookie with one month of experience, and could be as much as four years younger than Yi.

I'd love to see Yi succeed, and he has shown some flashes of great play, like when he drives through the lane without the ball and puts it down. But too often it seems like he is just standing around, and he misses far too many shots for a guy with his experience and talent.
 
Dumpy said:
I think Ryan's numbers would be similar, but Ryan does have a knack for getting under the basket and he has that nifty reverse layup. Ryan also seems to move more effectively without the ball. However, Ryan is a rookie with one month of experience, and could be as much as four years younger than Yi.

I'd love to see Yi succeed, and he has shown some flashes of great play, like when he drives through the lane without the ball and puts it down. But too often it seems like he is just standing around, and he misses far too many shots for a guy with his experience and talent.
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Listen Ryan isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but for a one month rookie he does show alot more bb IQ than Yi. His shot is as good or better and he has a knack to be able to get to the line where he is a very good foul shooter. If given the same chance Yi has had i would predict that Ryan Anderson would put up similar numbers, or most likely better numbers. Also, Ryan Anderson is a better rebounder than Yi, and does get offensive rebounds as well...
 
nets1 said:
Listen Ryan isn't perfect by any stretch of the imagination, but for a one month rookie he does show alot more bb IQ than Yi. His shot is as good or better and he has a knack to be able to get to the line where he is a very good foul shooter. If given the same chance Yi has had i would predict that Ryan Anderson would put up similar numbers, or most likely better numbers. Also, Ryan Anderson is a better rebounder than Yi, and does get offensive rebounds as well...
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I think Ryan is awesome and have thought so ever since the summer league game I attended, and now wish I had interrupted his lunch and chatted with him after the game. But at this point I think that any improvement would be marginal at best. If Yi should be replaced, maybe it should be Najera once he is healthy. I'd rather Yi just get better, though. I think Najera will be used in the fourth quarter and whenever the Nets want to slow down the opposing offense when things are getting out of control.
 
Nagera would be a good enforcer type and a banger. He can change the pace of the game that is for sure. But there is a reason he's not been a starter his whole career, but has been a great role player.
 
Dumpy said:
I think Ryan is awesome and have thought so ever since the summer league game I attended, and now wish I had interrupted his lunch and chatted with him after the game. But at this point I think that any improvement would be marginal at best. If Yi should be replaced, maybe it should be Najera once he is healthy. I'd rather Yi just get better, though. I think Najera will be used in the fourth quarter and whenever the Nets want to slow down the opposing offense when things are getting out of control.
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Anderson is skinny. If he puts on some muscle I think his game will improve dramatically.
 
Back to Yi, some of his fans here believe that he isn't getting enough touches. I assume that many of you haven't followed the Nets before Yi was acquired, but a good comparison would be Nenad Krstic, who was the fourth option on offense but still consistently put up a decent number of points, and showed steady improvement until his injury. His second year, which we'll use for comparison to Yi, he averaged 13.5 PPG on 11.0 shots. Shot over 50% (not entirely comparable since he didn't have quite the range of Yi, but he did have a nice 15-foot jump shot). Took 3.3 FTs a game. 2.3 offensive rebounds a game. 3.7 fouls and 1.7 turnovers in over 30 minutes per game. But more importantly, these numbers all were improvements from his rookie season; his numbers improved over the course of the year; and he really broke out the following year before he got hurt (averaging 16/7). If Yi can replicate the numbers Krstic put up as a second-year player, everyone will be happy.
 
Dumpy said:
Back to Yi, some of his fans here believe that he isn't getting enough touches. I assume that many of you haven't followed the Nets before Yi was acquired, but a good comparison would be Nenad Krstic, who was the fourth option on offense but still consistently put up a decent number of points, and showed steady improvement until his injury. His second year, which we'll use for comparison to Yi, he averaged 13.5 PPG on 11.0 shots. Shot over 50% (not entirely comparable since he didn't have quite the range of Yi, but he did have a nice 15-foot jump shot). Took 3.3 FTs a game. 2.3 offensive rebounds a game. 3.7 fouls and 1.7 turnovers in over 30 minutes per game. But more importantly, these numbers all were improvements from his rookie season; his numbers improved over the course of the year; and he really broke out the following year before he got hurt (averaging 16/7). If Yi can replicate the numbers Krstic put up as a second-year player, everyone will be happy.
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I didn't watches the Nets unless they were playing the Sixers or the Rockets, but you might as well be talking about two completely different teams. I don't have problem with the number of Yi's touches but where he is touching the ball. Before Yi joined the NBA, he was a low post player. He's got a good turn around jumper, a nice spin move and a jump hook and a few other low/high post moves. He had his outside range, but that was only a small part of his game. His game was like a Chris Bosh with some more range. Of course that was against some really crapy competition. But the point is, he had to change his game from power forward to a shooting forward, it's like asking Dwight Howard trying to play like Dirk. He has to pick up everything from scratch, everything from where to be on the floor, to rebounding position, etc. everything is new. When Yao came to the NBA, he faced a lot of challenges, but he didn't have to change his position or his offensive game completely. Yi now really faces more challenges than Yao did. To someone who never watched Yi play before, you would wonder why the hell he's so inconsistent. To me, the reason is obvious. There is a reason all the Chinese posters are crying for Yi to get some touches in the low post, that's what we were used to see and that's what Yi did so well before joining the NBA.

I see good things in Yi's future, once he get better at the outside game, maybe he will be allowed to pick some of his old game up and become a varsitile player.
 
Also the Nets run no plays for yi at his new position, it would be awfully hard for him to really produce consistently.
 
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