What is Collins' trade value?

[Pinwheel1]

No. Big game damian said thats who he would trade him for

Keep in mind saying who you would trade a YOUNG player for is not saying that they are equal in talent at this point in time. In Portland's case if they like Zach's potential and have little alternatives on the team now at PF then they better get someone in return who is as good as what they think Zach will turn into in 3-4 years, or better. But they certainly can't trade him for a player who is comparable to him now. That would be stupid. Either way they would need to package Zach if they wanted to trade him. One for one is not going to happen. But in the right situation he could be very good. Standing at the 3 point line however is a waste of his talent.

 

[SynTax]

I think is value his decent but really hard to pin down. He's probably worth a lot more to us than to someone else. He has shown great instincts and flashes a high ceiling. Unfortunately, he desperately needs to add size and improve his skill level. No one is going to give us an early lottery pick for him, and the Blazers aren't going to trade him for an inferior prospect + something else. That basically leaves borderline playoff teams looking to unload their decent pieces to reset as destinations. And the Blazers can't really afford to trade him for decent pieces. We need another borderline all star talent.

I'd say his current value is around the same pick he was drafted at, possibly a tad lower.

 

[Mediocre Man]

You're flat out wrong.

Who would you trade for him

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

I always look at it from the other teams view.

What would you trade for him?

I think he has proven he was a solid pick at #10, so a lottery pick at the very least.

 

[Mediocre Man]

I think he has proven he was a solid pick at #10, so a lottery pick at the very least.

Rookie rankings

Ppg 34th
Rpg 18th
Bpg 11th
Fg% 29th

How has he proven he was a solid pick at #10?

 

[GriLtCheeZ]

Rookie rankings

Ppg 34th
Rpg 18th
Bpg 11th
Fg% 29th

How has he proven he was a solid pick at #10?

I think Zack has proven his draft position, because of the poise, mentality, and the diverse skill set he has exhibited at his young age. Zack also got better throughout the season. When people do re-rankings of his draft a few years from now, he'll move up several spots.

 

[Reep]

I think Zach has a bright future, but he has not proven himself yet. He does show signs of great things to come, but nothing consistently. This year I was disappointed in his rebounding % and his shot blocking numbers. I hoped those would be two things he could do right away. I liked his spacing on the court and his no-hesitation release on his shots, but most of his value lies in the future.

 

[Hoopguru]

Zack will attack the hoop more next year! He's the kind of player that once he sync's his confidence, skill, and relentless ability to score down low, watch out.
You can see that he's discovering ways and pushing himself which is what I really like about the kid.

 

[riverman]

with the salary cap situation we have we need serviceable rookie's on rookie pay scales...Zach is that...so are Baldwin and Swanigan....this is not where I'm looking to move players...you develop these guys in my view. Nobody is taking our rookies for Kawhi Leonard anytime soon.

 

[Hoopguru]

I think POP would go for a Kawahi / CJ trade. I think CJ is the kind of player and personality that would mix well with POP.

 

[riverman]

I think POP would go for a Kawahi / CJ trade. I think CJ is the kind of player and personality that would mix well with POP.

Pop recently said he'll only trade Kawhi to the eastern conf....won't send him to a conference foe in the west..

 

[Boob-No-More]

True. And everyone is raving about his feel. But can he become a go-to player for us in three years? Because I think we might be at a stage when his perceived value is > than what he will ever become for us.

My motivation for this thread is not because I think Zach is under-performing, moreso that his value might be as high as it will ever be.

Define go to player. I seriously doubt that Zach Collins will ever be the #1 option on a playoff team, or even the #2 option on a contender - on offense. Where he can add the most value is as a lock down defender who is also a solid #3 option on the offensive end.

To me, 20-year old Zach Collins is to defense what 20-year old Zach Randolph was to offense. As a 20-year old rookie, Zach C. showed impressive defensive instincts, the same way Zach Randolph came into the league with an innate natural ability to score the basketball.

As a 20-year old rookie, Zach Randolph barely played because he was a huge liability on defense (he also had a far better veteran playing ahead of him). It was during his second season that the 21-year old Randolph became a valuable scorer off the bench (averaging comparable minutes as a 21-year old second year player to what Collins averaged as a 20-year old rookie). It wasn't until the Dallas series at the end of his second season that Zach R. broke out and earned a starting role in his 3rd season at the age of 22.

As the season progressed, Collins earned a bigger role and more minutes, but it wasn't because of his scoring. It's pretty rare to throw a 20-year old rookie out there and not have them get totally abused on defense against established NBA players.

Before Randolph became a stater, he had to show his offensive ability more than negated his defensive liability. Collins is in a similar situation at a similar age, only it's his offense that needs to catch up with his defense. I think this is why the announcers and fans get overly excited when Collins makes a great move and actually makes the shot. They see that the potential is there to be a solid, reliable scorer, but the consistency is lacking. I may be underestimating him, but I don't see Zach Collins ever averaging 20 ppg in the NBA (well, unless he is the #1 option on a 22-win lottery team - be careful what you wish for), but if he can be a guy that averages 15 - 17 ppg with lock down defense at the 4-spot, I will be thrilled. I think that's his upside, and I'm totally fine with that.

BNM

 

[tester551]

Zack will attack the hoop more next year! He's the kind of player that once he sync's his confidence, skill, and relentless ability to score down low, watch out.
You can see that he's discovering ways and pushing himself which is what I really like about the kid.

He should, but he will not with Stotts as coach...
He's going to be sitting on the 3pt line all summer shooting jumpers. Just watch.

 

[Wizard Mentor]

Trading the one 2-way player on the team who happens to be at the beginning of a rookie contract
would certainly be..... peculiar.

BTW, if his trade value is "older veteran", then sweet, I've got an older vet in ET, and I'd like to
trade him for a young Zach Collins-type player, i.e. anyone taken in the top 14 of the 2017 draft.

 

[AFully22]

Didn’t Olshey say that every trade conversation before the deadline ended up with the other teams asking for Collins? I think his value to OTHER teams is probably equal to where we drafted him, a top 10 pick.

His value to OUR team, in our current situation, is higher than that imo. Which probably explains why Olshey never entertained deals for him. I think the plan for him is to develop into the starting 4 once Aminu’s contract is up and a small ball 5 in playoff situations. Although in two years I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s the size of the average center in today’s NBA with the ability to play 4/5 to suit the teams needs. Which goes back to why his value to us is probably higher than to other teams.

 

[Mediocre Man]

Didn’t Olshey say that every trade conversation before the deadline ended up with the other teams asking for Collins? I think his value to OTHER teams is probably equal to where we drafted him, a top 10 pick.

His value to OUR team, in our current situation, is higher than that imo. Which probably explains why Olshey never entertained deals for him. I think the plan for him is to develop into the starting 4 once Aminu’s contract is up and a small ball 5 in playoff situations. Although in two years I wouldn’t be suprised if he’s the size of the average center in today’s NBA with the ability to play 4/5 to suit the teams needs. Which goes back to why his value to us is probably higher than to other teams.

So youre the one that thinks Olshey tells the truth

 

[Pinwheel1]

Pop recently said he'll only trade Kawhi to the eastern conf....won't send him to a conference foe in the west..

He really said that? I was hoping he felt that way about the Lakers.

 

[Orion Bailey]

Rookie rankings

Ppg 34th
Rpg 18th
Bpg 11th
Fg% 29th

How has he proven he was a solid pick at #10?

I think Zack has proven his draft position, because of the poise, mentality, and the diverse skill set he has exhibited at his young age. Zack also got better throughout the season. When people do re-rankings of his draft a few years from now, he'll move up several spots.

How many of those were 19-20 year old rookies though?

 

[AFully22]

So youre the one that thinks Olshey tells the truth

Lol most the time I think it’s BS but in this case it only makes sense teams all ask about Collins if Dame and CJ are off the table.

 

[Mediocre Man]

How many of those were 19-20 year old rookies though?

No idea

 

[Orion Bailey]

No idea

Don't you think that would play a factor though? If other rookies came into the league more polished due to more college playing time? Wouldn't that also suggest that those rookies would then have less of a ceiling growth, because they ARE more polished?

 

[Mediocre Man]

Don't you think that would play a factor though? If other rookies came into the league more polished due to more college playing time? Wouldn't that also suggest that those rookies would then have less of a ceiling growth, because they ARE more polished?

Slight

 

[riverman]

He really said that? I was hoping he felt that way about the Lakers.

yeah I'm too lazy to find the link but according to the article he's never believed in trading talent within his conference...

 

[Orion Bailey]

Slight

I wouldn't say its huge, but I would think its more than just a slight. I would say its a legit factor though that would make it tougher to evaluate his true value.

 

[Hoopguru]

Pop recently said he'll only trade Kawhi to the eastern conf....won't send him to a conference foe in the west..

I didn't realize that. I don't blame him though.

 

[riverman]

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/...opovich-rule-is-not-to-help-teams-like-lakers
there are many articles....this is the first one that popped up..it's not the one I read yesterday

 

[Hoopguru]

He should, but he will not with Stotts as coach...
He's going to be sitting on the 3pt line all summer shooting jumpers. Just watch.

You may be right but I think he will be more physical than Dirk. I see him with a good mid range game where he can use his length.
But no doubt the 3 game is a big part of Stotts & the Leagues strategy.

 

[jlprk]

Obviously, Olshey found a cross between Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, and Bill Russell, but the question is, will Stotts make Collins into another Channing Frye.

 

[riverman]

Obviously, Olshey found a cross between Tim Duncan, Karl Malone, and Bill Russell, but the question is, will Stotts make Collins into another Channing Frye.

no...but maybe he'll make him into a Rasheed Wallace

 

[Boob-No-More]

Rookie rankings

Ppg 34th
Rpg 18th
Bpg 11th
Fg% 29th

How has he proven he was a solid pick at #10?

You left out that he was 23rd among rookies in MPG. That may help explain why he wasn't top 10 in any per game stats. You also ignored all advanced defensive stats. He wasn't even expected to play much as a rookie, but earned a larger and larger role, due to his defense, as the season progressed. He wasn't expected to carry a large scoring load, like guys starting and playing big minutes on lottery teams. Just looking at raw per game stats, especially on the offensive end, does not tell the whole story.

If you look at the following advanced stats, combined with his age and slow start, and it starts to become more obvious (to most) why he was taken 10th and why it was a solid choice.

Among rookies:

DRtg 8th (T)
DWS 15th (T)
DBPM 10th
TRB/MP 7th
BLK/MP 5th(T)

BNM