What is the most likely consolidation trade for a 3/4?

[mook]

To get value you have to give up value. We seem to be loaded with guys 6'3 who just aren't tall enough to defend at a playoff level.

Is Portland in a position to do a consolidation trade that involves some combination of CJ, Ant, Nas, Norm and Roco, picks, for an elite or semi-elite 3/4? It feels like Ben Simmons has sucked all the air out of the room forever, and although I still see that as a possibility, it seems way too narrowly focused.

I think the handwriting is on the wall for Olshey, so even CJ will likely be on the table. Which guy seems a most likely get, given what we have to offer and who might be available?

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Apparently Norm can't be traded before March, so cool your heels. Also, don't get your hopes up about Olshey, I have a feeling that he will be "exonerated" by the "investigation".

 

[TBpup]

Something has to be done at some point....because:

Dame will return to 'Dameness'
CJ wants to take the most shots
Powell needs more shots
Ant is the most efficient (so far)

It's tough to imagine paying Ant while paying so much to the other three. That said, Ant will get paid to stay here thereby facilitating a move of CJ or Norm. Since they just signed Norm, the obvious (except to Neil) is CJ.

 

[Scalma]

I’m looking at Toronto. Barnes looks like the real deal. OG has also elevated his game.

Could Siakam be available? And if not, how about Boucher? His role has been minimized and he’s a pending free agent. I’d look at those two guys.

 

[illmatic99]

outside of the toronto guys, i'd add ATL as a place to find wings.

They've got: Heurter who they just paid, Bogdanovic and Gallo who they paid last year, Reddish and Hunter playing really well, and are going about deep in the tax very soon. Something's gotta give, especially if they continue to play poorly.

(Bogdanovic is 6'6 and is Dame's guy, fwiw.)

Also, the Pelicans are 1-10, granted without Zion. But Ingram alone isn't carrying them anywhere.

 

[Fez Hammersticks]

Onyeka Okongwu

He’s not beating out Collins any time soon when you consider contracts.

Package Ant if you have to

 

[Natebishop3]

I am feeling more and more that we need to just blow it up. Start over.

Fire Neil and start the hell over.

 

[AldoTrapani]

I am feeling more and more that we need to just blow it up. Start over.

Fire Neil and start the hell over.

Thank you

 

[Phatguysrule]

I am feeling more and more that we need to just blow it up. Start over.

Fire Neil and start the hell over.

Why? Why not trade CJ for the best 3/4 you can get and give it a shot... You can start over next year if you want.

 

[Scalma]

Why? Why not trade CJ for the best 3/4 you can get and give it a shot... You can start over next year if you want.

he says it after every loss. It’s like a scheduled alarm. Just as annoying too.

 

[Natebishop3]

he says it after every loss. It’s like a scheduled alarm. Just as annoying too.

I haven't posted nearly enough to have done it after every loss. Losses are irrelevant to me at this point. I'm looking at the big picture. This team isn't talented enough to win a championship and I'm not sure there's a fix, short of trading for a superstar.

 

[Hoopguru]

To get value you have to give up value. We seem to be loaded with guys 6'3 who just aren't tall enough to defend at a playoff level.

Is Portland in a position to do a consolidation trade that involves some combination of CJ, Ant, Nas, Norm and Roco, picks, for an elite or semi-elite 3/4? It feels like Ben Simmons has sucked all the air out of the room forever, and although I still see that as a possibility, it seems way too narrowly focused.

I think the handwriting is on the wall for Olshey, so even CJ will likely be on the table. Which guy seems a most likely get, given what we have to offer and who might be available?

Maybe Pels would move off of Ingram?
Ingram & Hayes for CJ & Nance or RoCo

 

[BonesJones]

Onyeka Okongwu

He’s not beating out Collins any time soon when you consider contracts.

Package Ant if you have to

We need a forward, not a center.

 

[BonesJones]

The dream would still be to flip C.J. for Siakam somehow. Might have to be a 3-team deal.

Then shop RoCo plus future pick(s) for a 3 to repalace Norm (who moves down to the 2)

 

[Scalma]

We need a forward, not a center.

we have one, and he needs to play more. Actually we have two that need to play more.

 

[calvin natt]

Not sure a GM who is under investigation is swinging any deals any time soon.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

Downside: Memphis is already a shit defensive team so I don't see their motivation, other than that they get the only "star".
Also: we would need another consolidation trade.
Also: according to some of you, Dillon Brooks is an asshole.

 

[RR7]

The dream would still be to flip C.J. for Siakam somehow. Might have to be a 3-team deal.

Then shop RoCo plus future pick(s) for a 3 to repalace Norm (who moves down to the 2)

I think a swap for Siakam would be ideal. Maybe Barnes' emergence there early makes them consider? They've got a lot of talent, but still could use someone viewed as a #1 scorer, which CJ could provide. alongside Van Vleet, with Barnes and OG in frontcourt, moving Trent to the bench.

At the same time, if I were them, I'd rather push development of OG and Barnes, and live with any negative results, and look to see if I could swing Siakam for a slightly younger return elsewhere. SIakam for Turner would help out both teams quite a bit, IMO.

 

[Minstrel]

McCollum doesn't strike me as the type of player the Raptors would target. I feel like they want defensively versatile players with good passing awareness rather than a scorer who doesn't do much else. McCollum does have some passing ability, but he seems Westbrookian in his passing--he needs to be the hub of either scoring or passing to be successful at it, not someone who blends seamlessly into a passing offense.

 

[Natebishop3]

he says it after every loss. It’s like a scheduled alarm. Just as annoying too.

Shit dude, why didn’t you remind me? I almost forgot my appointment!

Another blazers loss….. time to blow it up!

 

[boredinsalem]

I still think facilitating Ben to SAC makes the most sense.

CJ/Cov/pick to PHI
Mitchell/Barnes/Bagley to POR
Simmons/filler to SAC

Lillard/mitchell
Powell/Simons
Barnes/little
Nance/bagley
nurkic/Zeller

that’s a better team than what we’re running with now.

 

[BonesJones]

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Downside: Memphis is already a shit defensive team so I don't see their motivation, other than that they get the only "star".
Also: we would need another consolidation trade.
Also: according to some of you, Dillon Brooks is an asshole.

Yeah because we need a 12 man rotation...

 

[BonesJones]

I still think facilitating Ben to SAC makes the most sense.

CJ/Cov/pick to PHI
Mitchell/Barnes/Bagley to POR
Simmons/filler to SAC

Lillard/mitchell
Powell/Simons
Barnes/little
Nance/bagley
nurkic/Zeller

that’s a better team than what we’re running with now.

I don't understand trading CJ and one of the reasons being to get a 6 foot guard back. Simons deserves all the backup guard minutes.

This trade makes us worse.

 

[boredinsalem]

I don't understand trading CJ and one of the reasons being to get a 6 foot guard back. Simons deserves all the backup guard minutes.

This trade makes us worse.

Davion is a point of attack defender that's strong enough to defend 3s in stretches and is leagues more switchable than CJ. Also, Barnes/Nance are both small 4s that can guard on the perimeter fairly well (and are switchable). We'd go from a small team to a big team (and Powell gets to play SG) with more balanced scorers. Also, Barnes/Mitchell are both WAY better at swinging the ball around and attacking closing defenders than Covington. We would be far better.

 

[BonesJones]

Davion is a point of attack defender that's strong enough to defend 3s in stretches and is leagues more switchable than CJ. Also, Barnes/Nance are both small 4s that can guard on the perimeter fairly well (and are switchable). We'd go from a small team to a big team (and Powell gets to play SG) with more balanced scorers. Also, Barnes/Mitchell are both WAY better at swinging the ball around and attacking closing defenders than Covington. We would be far better.

But Barnes is a very mediocre defender and Bagley sucks on that end. Just seems like it's rearranging the problems while we downgrade top-end talent and struggle even more to give everyone minutes.

 

[Rastapopoulos]

I still think facilitating Ben to SAC makes the most sense.

CJ/Cov/pick to PHI
Mitchell/Barnes/Bagley to POR
Simmons/filler to SAC

Lillard/mitchell
Powell/Simons
Barnes/little
Nance/bagley
nurkic/Zeller

that’s a better team than what we’re running with now.

Simmons should go to Sac, but we shouldn't facilitate it! If CJ/Cov/Pick got Simmons, then we should fucking keep Simmons. Otherwise:

 

[boredinsalem]

But Barnes is a very mediocre defender and Bagley sucks on that end. Just seems like it's rearranging the problems while we downgrade top-end talent and struggle even more to give everyone minutes.

It improves our cap situation a lot as well. In other words, we could keep Ant and get Davion for cheap for a couple of years. CJ/Ant/Powell isn't sustainable.

 

[calvin natt]

Kings ain’t tradin Mitchell.

 

[Stevenson]

Something has to be done at some point....because:

Dame will return to 'Dameness'
CJ wants to take the most shots
Powell needs more shots
Ant is the most efficient (so far)

It's tough to imagine paying Ant while paying so much to the other three. That said, Ant will get paid to stay here thereby facilitating a move of CJ or Norm. Since they just signed Norm, the obvious (except to Neil) is CJ.

Agreed. I think Ant is clearly the heir apparent to Dame or CJ.

 

[Ifrclone]

We would still need to do another consolidation trade to get under tax, so something along the lines of Covington to OKC for Pokusevski.
Run the starting lineup of Dame, Norm, Barnes, Nance, KAT and bench of Smith, Ant, Little, Poku, Zeller.