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kjironman1 said:
Greg Popovich apparently is the only one?
Brad Stevens has a few admirers and i guess Nick Nurse is the flavor of the month.
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I think there are people on the Spurs message board who are saying the game has past him up, he can't win without Duncan, etc etc.

I would hope nobody is calling for the heads of Nurse or Stevens, but if there is a message board, there will be people wanting them gone too!
 
kjironman1 said:
I see you don't like humor at all. I'll keep that in mind.
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Ah yes, the old “I was only joking” defense. You’ve shown your true feelings about Stotts numerous times in multiple threads, and that’s the real joke. LOL.
 
kjironman1 said:
Greg Popovich apparently is the only one?
Brad Stevens has a few admirers and i guess Nick Nurse is the flavor of the month.
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https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1991775

Looks like Nurse needs to improve his rotations, implore effort (that's always a classic one), restructure his offense, defensive matchups, start the game more prepared, change his starting lineup, etc. So basically, most of the complaints you hear from other fans about their coach. Sounds like another bum to add the list.
 
Tince said:
I think there are people on the Spurs message board who are saying the game has past him up, he can't win without Duncan, etc etc.

I would hope nobody is calling for the heads of Nurse or Stevens, but if there is a message board, there will be people wanting them gone too!
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What you say is absolutely true, but you are equating emotional venting with fans who offer thoughtful criticism.

Frankly, I wouldn't lose any sleep if the team moved on from both Stotts and Olshey!
 
brooklynballer said:
Ah yes, the old “I was only joking” defense. You’ve shown your true feelings about Stotts numerous times in multiple threads, and that’s the real joke. LOL.
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Why don't you tell me my true feelings about coach Stotts.
This outta be good.
You have been around since 2008. I'm guessing you have lots of opinion here.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
What you say is absolutely true, but you are equating emotional venting with fans who offer thoughtful criticism.

Frankly, I wouldn't lose any sleep if the team moved on from both Stotts and Olshey!
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You're right. I'm not saying all these fans who critize an NBA coaches offense, defense, subbing, effort, adjustments, etc. aren't correct, I'm just saying it's on every message board.

Like you, I wouldn't lose any sleep if both Stotts and Olshey were gone. I'd like to see a change to improve the roster, though I'd feel sorry for any GM who came in and tried to adjust on the fly with our current contract situation.
 
Tince said:
https://forums.realgm.com/boards/viewtopic.php?f=32&t=1991775

Looks like Nurse needs to improve his rotations, implore effort (that's always a classic one), restructure his offense, defensive matchups, start the game more prepared, change his starting lineup, etc. So basically, most of the complaints you hear from other fans about their coach. Sounds like another bum to add the list.
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I have had this conversation so many times i can't begin to explain. Lost count ages ago.
There are these talking points people have. They seem to get them from "Talking Heads" that use "Talking Points".
 
kjironman1 said:
I have had this conversation so many times i can't begin to explain. Lost count ages ago.
There are these talking points people have. They seem to get them from "Talking Heads" that use "Talking Points".
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So there's no hope that if we get a new coach that the same complaints won't be made about our next coach?!? We have the worst luck in finding coaches!
 
Tince said:
If I said I feel many on here vastly overrate coaching, then why would it be confusing if I thought prasing Stotts in Game 1 was not warrented? My logic holds true in both directions. I feel like you give Stotts too much credit for losses and I guess in Game 1, you gave him too much credit for the win. That seems pretty consistent with my narrative the coaching doesn't have that great of an impact.

Explain how that is confusing to you.
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If the coaching is so meaningless, why do you defend it so hard? Coaches are more important than you think.
 
Buffalo Custard said:
What you say is absolutely true, but you are equating emotional venting with fans who offer thoughtful criticism.

Frankly, I wouldn't lose any sleep if the team moved on from both Stotts and Olshey!
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It's so frustrating. Somehow, other fans venting about their coach in a game thread makes all coaching criticism illegitimate.
 
Tince said:
You're right. I'm not saying all these fans who critize an NBA coaches offense, defense, subbing, effort, adjustments, etc. aren't correct, I'm just saying it's on every message board.

Like you, I wouldn't lose any sleep if both Stotts and Olshey were gone. I'd like to see a change to improve the roster, though I'd feel sorry for any GM who came in and tried to adjust on the fly with our current contract situation.
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You can find every opinion possible on every coach in the league. It's like if I went onto a forum of a terrible team and found people talking good about the coach then posted it as if to say anything good you say about Stotts is illegitimate because every team has fans who say good things about any coach...
 
This is why I cant stand this forum anymore. Were talking about what random people are venting in other teams game threads as if its somehow relevant to the discussion about Stotts. So many different tactics are used to to deligitimize Stotts criticism that isnt based on the basketball we play at all. I like talking about basketball, not random Raptor fans. Maybe yall should make a different forum for talking about what other forums are talking about.
 
BonesJones said:
If the coaching is so meaningless, why do you defend it so hard? Coaches are more important than you think.
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I never said it was meaningless. That would be like me saying you saying coaching determines 100% of all outcomes.

I think talent is more important than coaching. I don't believe we disagree on that.
 
Tince said:
So there's no hope that if we get a new coach that the same complaints won't be made about our next coach?!? We have the worst luck in finding coaches!
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Not sure?
The thing is that Stotts has had his time. Can he do better with a better roster? Probably. Will he change his fundamental approach? Probably not.
The time is near. This many years with the same coach is an eternity in this league. I doubt he is out for next season but without something drastic? It's time to move on.
A new fresh look and a new system might really suck just as much as it might be great. But from what i see most people would welcome change at this point.
 
Tince said:
I never said it was meaningless. That would be like me saying you saying coaching determines 100% of all outcomes.

I think talent is more important than coaching. I don't believe we disagree on that.
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Both are important. Overall, talent matters more. But there are things coaches are in direct control over that they should be called out on if they sont make the right decisions. Basketball often comes down to the 5pt or fewer games. Coaching can swing that either way.
 
BonesJones said:
I like talking about basketball, not random Raptor fans. Maybe yall should make a different forum for talking about what other forums are talking about.
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I believe most of us are talking about basketball. There are some people who tell others they are dumb or they need to shut up, but the majority are very good.

Like your YouTube channel, you could create a Blazers message board where opinions of other teams fans are banned and any other rule you might like. Who knows, it might take off, I think there would be a market for that.
 
BonesJones said:
Both are important. Overall, talent matters more. But there are things coaches are in direct control over that they should be called out on if they sont make the right decisions. Basketball often comes down to the 5pt or fewer games. Coaching can swing that either way.
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See, we're really not that far off on where we stand, it just appears that we do. You'll probably always think I under value coaching and I'll probably always think you're too quick to blame the coach, but I appreciate the opposite point of view.
 
Tince said:
I believe most of us are talking about basketball. There are some people who tell others they are dumb or they need to shut up, but the majority are very good.

Like your YouTube channel, you could create a Blazers message board where opinions of other teams fans are banned and any other rule you might like. Who knows, it might take off, I think there would be a market for that.
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Dont remember calling you dumb. I did tell you to shut up when Dame had possibly just torn his ACL and you were poking at people. You shouldn't be poking at people when something that happens, but I've moved on from it. I'd recommend that you do too.

All opinions are welcome on my channel. You dont pay enough attention to know. You're just trying to make up a narrative to talk shit all because I want to talk basketball instead of what Teddy from Toronto said in the Raptors game thread yesterday. Dont be like that. Be better.
 
Tince said:
See, we're really not that far off on where we stand, it just appears that we do. You'll probably always think I under value coaching and I'll probably always think you're too quick to blame the coach, but I appreciate the opposite point of view.
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I appreciate basketball conversations, not tactics to try to delegitimize anything I say because of what other fans say in a game thread. That's been done so many times. I'm happy to agree to disagree, the disagreement itself isnt what I get annoyed with.
 
BonesJones said:
Dont remember calling you dumb. I did tell you to shut up when Dame had possibly just torn his ACL and you were poking at people. You shouldn't be poking at people when something that happens, but I've moved on from it. I'd recommend that you do too.

All opinions are welcome on my channel. You dont pay enough attention to know. You're just trying to make up a narrative to talk shit all because I want to talk basketball instead of what Teddy from Toronto said in the Raptors game thread yesterday. Dont be like that. Be better.
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I'm not sure how you're aware of my attention level, but I have given you credit on your channel before even though that style is not my cup of tea. I do think there is value in what you do and I do think you market to a nice audience of Blazer fans.

I try to be better every day and encourage you to do the same. We're all Blazer fans at the end of the day!
 
BonesJones said:
I appreciate basketball conversations, not tactics to try to delegitimize anything I say because of what other fans say in a game thread. That's been done so many times. I'm happy to agree to disagree, the disagreement itself isnt what I get annoyed with.
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To be fair Bones, I do not reply to hardly any of your posts until you start quoting me. I do not go out of my way to delegitimize you, but I think sometimes you take my general posts as being directed at you. I promise you, if I want something to be directed at you, I will quote or tag you.
 
kjironman1 said:
Not sure?
The thing is that Stotts has had his time. Can he do better with a better roster? Probably. Will he change his fundamental approach? Probably not.
The time is near. This many years with the same coach is an eternity in this league. I doubt he is out for next season but without something drastic? It's time to move on.
A new fresh look and a new system might really suck just as much as it might be great. But from what i see most people would welcome change at this point.
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I'm very glad we had Lillard and others (CJ Neil Stotts) getting us out of the first round in 3 years of playoffs and a WCF. Of course I'd rather have seen us go to finals or win a title... but I dont agree with this notion that Stotts and the Blazers have completely failed. For 15 plus years we didnt win a playoff series. Franchises like the twolves and kings can't even make the playoffs in a decade. Im happy to watch a good blazers team year in and year out.

So I disagree that a majority of fans want to see a coaching change that could help or hurt as you say just to mix things up. Id probably argue most $ coming into the Blazers franchise is from fans based on not taking that type of risk.
 
Tince said:
To be fair Bones, I do not reply to hardly any of your posts until you start quoting me. I do not go out of my way to delegitimize you, but I think sometimes you take my general posts as being directed at you. I promise you, if I want something to be directed at you, I will quote or tag you.
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It's just directed at Stotts criticism, and obviously I'm one of the most vocal people in regards to Stotts.

Just wish people would talk basketball more instead of using worn out tactics repeatedly. I'm probably jaded from how much I hear the media do it while also being extremely insulting about it... I just like talking basketball, whether someone agrees or disagrees. That's why the "Other fans say this stuff about good coaches too!", "We made the WCF though so hes good", "We were ranked __ in defense in 201_ so he cant be bad", "Its all personnel theres nothing Stotts can do" annoys me so much. Theres many more it's just that type of stuff gets constantly said in response to legitimate basketball points to deflect things away from any sort of legitimate conversation.

@JDC is much higher on Stotts than me but he generally talks basketball instead of just repeating the examples I gave above so I respect his opinion! I love talking to him about the coaching on stream even though he disagrees!
 
WesleyMatthews said:
I'm very glad we had Lillard and others (CJ Neil Stotts) getting us out of the first round in 3 years of playoffs and a WCF. Of course I'd rather have seen us go to finals or win a title... but I dont agree with this notion that Stotts and the Blazers have completely failed. For 15 plus years we didnt win a playoff series. Franchises like the twolves and kings can't even make the playoffs in a decade. Im happy to watch a good blazers team year in and year out.

So I disagree that a majority of fans want to see a coaching change that could help or hurt as you say just to mix things up. Id probably argue most $ coming into the Blazers franchise is from fans based on not taking that type of risk.
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Before someone jumps on me saying that I'm suggesting that what I'm about to ask isn't the only two options (I agree), but I just want @WesleyMatthews opinion. Would you rather:

1) Blazers make the playoffs for 10 straight years, 1 WCF appearance, 2nd round appearances.
2) Blazers miss the playoffs for 9 out of 10 years, but win the finals that one season.
 
BonesJones said:
It's just directed at Stotts criticism, and obviously I'm one of the most vocal people in regards to Stotts.

Just wish people would talk basketball more instead of using worn out tactics repeatedly. I'm probably jaded from how much I hear the media do it while also being extremely insulting about it... I just like talking basketball, whether someone agrees or disagrees. That's why the "Other fans say this stuff about good coaches too!", "We made the WCF though so hes good", "We were ranked __ in defense in 201_ so he cant be bad", "Its all personnel theres nothing Stotts can do" annoys me so much. Theres many more it's just that type of stuff gets constantly said in response to legitimate basketball points to deflect things away from any sort of legitimate conversation.

@JDC is much higher on Stotts than me but he generally talks basketball instead of just repeating the examples I gave above so I respect his opinion! I love talking to him about the coaching on stream even though he disagrees!
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Love the praise of @JDC and it's well deserved.

It's tough because at times I give my opinion on things, and some people (not saying you) demand I give stats to back up my opinion. Then I give stats on something else and I'm told numbers can be misleading. It's like you can't win either way.

Often, I try to apply someones theory they use on Stotts, CJ, Whiteside, etc on other teams. To me, that seems fair, but that usually is met with the most resistence.
 
kjironman1 said:
Not sure?
The thing is that Stotts has had his time. Can he do better with a better roster? Probably. Will he change his fundamental approach? Probably not.
The time is near. This many years with the same coach is an eternity in this league. I doubt he is out for next season but without something drastic? It's time to move on.
A new fresh look and a new system might really suck just as much as it might be great. But from what i see most people would welcome change at this point.
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I feel like if Stotts wanted to improve, he could be a very good coach and my tune would be different. But it seems like he thinks that his way is automatically best no matter the situation. Hes too stubborn and not versatile enough, IMO.

Always said he'd be a great coach for a rebuilding team, and that hes a solid regular season coach who struggles in the playoffs, but I want to contend and assuming we dont get absolutely loaded with talent, I think we need a top 5 coach.

I get why people like him though, even though I disagree with it.
 
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